What Norwood am I(NEW PICS 8/29)?

[Guest]

Hey guys,

posted thesepics in another thread but this thread is to find out what Norwood I am.

Thanks.

Pics:

Dry











Wet

 

[IBM]

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[CCS]

NW1. your center is low enough, but your corners are approaching nw2. also watch your sides, down by the eyebrows. apply topicals to the sides in front of the ear, not just on top of your head.

 

[Guest]

NW1. your center is low enough, but your corners are approaching nw2. also watch your sides, down by the eyebrows. apply topicals to the sides in front of the ear, not just on top of your head.

collegechemistrystudent,

what do u mean by corners. is that the same as temples?

and would you say I am a diffuse thinner or no?

thanks.

 

[The Gardener]

You are an NW1.5df

 

[biglemoncoke]

wowho that means i am only between Norwood 1 to 1.5..i always thought i was Norwood 2!!

 

[techprof]

jayman, if you take finasteride or dutasteride you don't need to apply in the sides in the front of the ears.
I would only give NW1.5 to 2 at the worst. Everyone's hair looks thin when wet. Also, it is obvious that you parted your hair in the dry pictures to show us the thinning.

 

[CCS]

diffuse means you are thinning over a wide area, rather than just in a small spot like the center of the crown or the hair line. you could be diffuse, but it could just be your wet hair. most of your hair loss is in the traditional frontal area.

i'm not sure what the temples are, but the term is used loosely on this site. Above the side burns, 2 inches in front of the ears, but below the top hairline, is an area i call the sides. Others may call them the temples, but i don't know. i think when people say the hair line, they mean the horizontal line. when i say the sides, i mean the vertical hair line. The corners are where the vertical meats the horizontal. If they angle more than 20 degrees back from vertical, apply minoxidil to them as well as the other areas.

 

[Guest]

jayman, if you take finasteride or dutasteride you don't need to apply in the sides in the front of the ears.
I would only give NW1.5 to 2 at the worst. Everyone's hair looks thin when wet. Also, it is obvious that you parted your hair in the dry pictures to show us the thinning.

thanks techprof. and yes i did part my hair in dry pictures to show us the thinning. is that bad?

my mom says its bad because no one else does that but i thought that if i can pull my hair and show scalp that I'm balding? im pretty sure i used to have hair where the scalp is showing.

let me show you some pics of where my hair is down and forward. what confuses me though is what determines the norwood or whether or not someone is balding... is it when their hair is up? is it when their hair is down? is it when the hair is forward or slicked back?

Anyway, pics of my vertex when it's down and forward and dry:







That's what confuses me tech bro. Differnet ways of styling the hair have different visual results But, if you look in the bottom left of these pics you can see some other thinning as well?

And is it just me or does my scalp look really red? Could some of that thinning be from me not taking care of my hair? I only shampooed my hair about once a week before starting the Nizoral last week....

i know you told me i should just stay on finasteride and nizoral for now and not add minoxidil, and i've heard conflicting opinions from everyone. it seems half the people on here are telling me to add minoxidil , half are telling me to stick with just the finasteride to see how it works, and others are telling me to add all kinds of additional stuff like spironolactone, copper peptides, etc.

 

[techprof]

Jayman,
I believe if the scalp is not visible without having to combover it is not bald.
Certain people are just born with lesser density (number of grafts/hairs per sq. cm2).

You don't look bald until you lose 50% of the hair. Many women I know of part their hairs and the scalp will always be seen where the hair is parted.
So, I believe that almost anyone can make their scalp visible by purposefully parting their hair or if they cut their hair too short.

Perhaps the answer is if you style your hair in its natural direction (without gel, just out of the shower and dried) and if the scalp is visible then you are bald in that pattern.

 

[techprof]

Jayman, the decision on topicals is upto you and how fast you want the results.

If you feel comfortable adding minoxidil, spironolactone and peptides it is an overkill but you are less likely to hurt yourself other than growing body hairs and perhaps making some non male pattern baldness hairs dependent on minoxidil.

I advised against minoxidil for you because even today we don't know how it is working and it is quite possible that some non male pattern baldness hairs can be affected by it. It is only my personal view. I believe people like Bryan are more knowledgable and can give a better advice. Perhaps you should see a dermatologist (not sure where to find a good one).

 

[CCS]

Norwood is determined by where the follicle exits the scalp, not where the ends are. if you thin all over, you are diffuse in a particular Norwood pattern, but are not that Norwood pattern until you reach a subjective level of thinness, usually one that is obvious at all lengths.

to figure out if you are thinning, part the hair an inch above your ear, and see how much scalp you can see on either side of the part. do the same in various places. if you have no male pattern baldness thinning, it should be the same everywhere. but even people who keep most of their hair until age 60 tend to thin on top faster than on the sides. use two mirrors are ask a friend to help measure the width of scalp showing.

 

[Guest]

Jayman,
I believe if the scalp is not visible without having to combover it is not bald.
Certain people are just born with lesser density (number of grafts/hairs per sq. cm2).

You don't look bald until you lose 50% of the hair. Many women I know of part their hairs and the scalp will always be seen where the hair is parted.
So, I believe that almost anyone can make their scalp visible by purposefully parting their hair or if they cut their hair too short.

Perhaps the answer is if you style your hair in its natural direction (without gel, just out of the shower and dried) and if the scalp is visible then you are bald in that pattern.

Thanks tech. I'd be happy with just maintaining what I have now honestly, for years to come. I don't really care about regrowing a ton after looking at the pics with hair forward. I'll give propecia and nizoral a year to work their magic. do you think ill still have the same hair amount of hair by then?

And what do you mean by styling the hair in its natural direction out of curiosity? My hair is crazy haha,. When I get out of the shower and towel it dry it could be up down, sideways, etc.

Thanks

 

[Guest]

You are an NW1.5df

what's a df?

 

[nervx]

Norwood 2 on the sides
Norwood 1 on the hairline
crown/vertex a bit thin but nothing horrible

diffuse on top. The wet hair shows it's thinning but dry it's not bad however because it's a bit messy it can help hide some of the thinness. combed hair plus a snap under sunlight would give better results. still it's not bad.

Overall i think your hair is alright. A lot of the guys here would probably love to have that much hair. Stick with the finasteride and nizoral and keep a photo journal. your not far enough along yet to go nuts and lose sleep over your hair.

 

[Guest]

thanks a ton for the response nervx, i was specifically waiting for yours.

i thought diffuse only happened to people with medical problems and that diffuse was different from male pattern baldness? i've heard conflicting things ab out that.

and if i stick with finasteride and nizoral do you think my hair is going to stay this way for awhile? maybe a dumb question.

and what do you mean by nw2 sides? is that the temples or the sides of my head? I thought that my hair on sides and back doesn't fall out with male pattern baldness? haha i'm kinda confused.

and can you recommend a good photo journal site for me?

combed forward and dry it doesnt look bad and thats the natural way my hair falls, like in the pics from earlier in the thread:








Thanks nervx.

 

[techprof]

jayman,
yes propecia and nizoral for one year should do good.
I insist that I haven't seen a single post in which a poster has moved up in the Norwood scale after using finasteride for one year (for example NW2 to NW3 etc). Eve people like who start late (NW5 or 6) may not grow hair, but we maintain our Norwood scale easily with finasteride.
If you were to add more, sods like copper peptide should be the first.
good luck.

 

[Guest]

jayman,
but we maintain our Norwood scale easily with finasteride.

We(everyone on finasteride) do maintain for a couple years or so anyway. . Then hair counts start to decline as shown in collegechemstudent's graph

Cheers

 

[hairhaircomeagain]

Your hair looks great...Norwood 1.5

 

[Guest]

Your hair looks great...Norwood 1.5

hey hairhaircomeagain,

is it 1.5 because my temples are receding or because of the thinning on the crown? or both?

thanks.