What Happend?

[coffee]

Agreed but I'd add this. I suggest that people who claim growth after a week wan't to believe it so much that they actually do see something in the mirror. Let's not underestimate how deeply people want their hair back. Delusion is the stuff of intense desire fellas.

required reading:
http://www.quackwatch.org/

 

[Axon]

I know that minoxidil and propecia work, i dont need to see the clinical data to tell me that. Good and scientific as that may be. At the end of the day propecia and minoxidil are the core foundations of my regimen and anything else is the cream on top, nothing more.

So call me an idiot for using MSM or Biotin...or some other unproven treatment, i really dont care. Im happy. :lol:

Then you should feel safe - my black cat will not go back in time, hide, wait, then jump out from any bushes and attack you as a toddler.

 

[HairlossTalk]

What your saying is a bit convuluted, your saying that nobody can claim that propecia works for them?

EXACTLY. Without Clinical Data, nobody can claim anything does anything. That includes Propecia. That's why the data is important.

You've never taken a philosophy class have you Zimmy.

If someone has never sat you down and asked you to prove that you exist, you wont get this point im making now.

You cant claim anything does anything without proof. You can estimate, assume, guess... but you cant make the claim that it works.

Are you surprised there is a LAW in the united states that backs me on this? It is illegal to make ANY CLAIM that a product grows hair unless you've proven it with clinical data first.

They dont give a sh*t if you have 500 pictures of yourself going from bald to a full head of hair. Unless you've documented it with controls and someone has stood by you to verify and prove that you didnt (1) fake the pix (2) use something else (3) etc etc etc etc .... then you're legally not allowed to say it grew hair.

Gee I wonder why? I guess because im just some dummy who is close minded right? Hey if i say it works then it works! Clinical data? I dont need no stinking clinical data!

Im going to post that I poured sperm on my head and it regrew my hair. I bet I could sell bottles of it en masse to half of these guys.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[HairlossTalk]

I know that minoxidil and propecia work, i dont need to see the clinical data to tell me that. Good and scientific as that may be. At the end of the day propecia and minoxidil are the core foundations of my regimen and anything else is the cream on top, nothing more.

So call me an idiot for using MSM or Biotin...or some other unproven treatment, i really dont care. Im happy. :lol:

You're completely missing the point, as do most of those guys like you who use the products you use. I find myself repeating myself over and over. Here it is again, maybe it will sink in this time

1) Nobody said you dont know about the data supporting Propecia
2) Nobody said you dont know about the data supporting minoxidil
3) Nobody said you think Propecia and minoxidil aren't important
4) Nobody said you were an idiot for using MSM, Biotin or other unproven treatments.

1) What im saying is you can't know what is causing your success when you have 11 items in your regimen
2) What im saying is you can't claim that Oz Brew worked
3) What im saying is you cant make any claims about anything unless there is clinical data.
4) What im saying is you put way too much trust in things you have no idea work
5) What im saying is people put way too much trust in what they hear on anonymous discussion forums by undocumented anonymous posters
6) What im saying is this site should not be criticized by some just because we support clinical data
7) What im saying is the entire freaking scientific universe believes what we believe about needing clinical data just as staunchly as we believe it and in fact, guys like yourself who say they don't care about an don't need clinical data (you did say this today) are in the minority. We aren't.
8 ) What im saying is guys who use unproven product over proven ones are not wise.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[Jack_the_Lad]

I agree with Axon, in that you have to read through so much bullshit to find some good information. The guys who post pictures of themselfs with very little hairloss, and getting upset almost suicidal are just pussies.

I guess it's up to yourself on what conclusions you draw from the information thats supplied to you.
:?
Jack

 

[coffee]

I agree with Axon, in that you have to read through so much bullshit to find some good information. The guys who post pictures of themselfs with very little hairloss, and getting upset almost suicidal are just pussies.

Easy there Jack. If you've found a way of dealing with the anxiety of humility of hairloss then do share. Keep it clean my man.

 

[Humpty Dumpty]

You've never taken a philosophy class have you Zimmy.

If someone has never sat you down and asked you to prove that you exist, you wont get this point im making now.

Are you saying that it is possible to prove 'you' exist, HTL? That will come as something as a surprise to anyone who's ever grappled with the myriad problems associated with Cartesian philosophy.

You cant claim anything does anything without proof. You can estimate, assume, guess... but you cant make the claim that it works.

You can't prove very much at all if you ascribe to Hyperbolic Doubt.

 

[Jack_the_Lad]

I agree with Axon, in that you have to read through so much bullshit to find some good information. The guys who post pictures of themselfs with very little hairloss, and getting upset almost suicidal are just pussies.

Easy there Jack. If you've found a way of dealing with the anxiety of humility of hairloss then do share. Keep it clean my man.

Well actually been on this forum helps dampen anxiety a bit. I personlly wouldn't fret as much about hairloss if it was to the extent that some of these guys have, but thats me and everyones priorities are different.
:hairy:

 

[Redbone]

I agree that hairloss is stressfull but some do make a bit much out of it- Suicide? come on looks like there is a bit more going on in your life than hairloss.

Everytime I see a guy with a shaved head they seem to be doing good to me, even enjoying the smooth look, it is in vogue now anyway. Even guys with healthy hair are shaving there heads to look good.

I have to agree if you have deeper feelings than depression and anxiety about hairloss- like suicide you are weak and as was said a pussy. Eventually you will learn to accept you new look. My hair was always my best assett and I was very saddend when it started to leave me, but I will eventually get over it because life is too short.


For those thinking of killing themselves look into Lithium or Thorazine and get counciling fast- because you need it.

 

[Axon]

I agree with Axon, in that you have to read through so much bullshit to find some good information. The guys who post pictures of themselfs with very little hairloss, and getting upset almost suicidal are just pussies.

Easy there Jack. If you've found a way of dealing with the anxiety of humility of hairloss then do share. Keep it clean my man.

There's a fine line between a weepy b**ch and a guy who's troubled and upset by his hairloss but mans up and deals with it.

 

[Axon]

Agreed but I'd add this. I suggest that people who claim growth after a week wan't to believe it so much that they actually do see something in the mirror. Let's not underestimate how deeply people want their hair back. Delusion is the stuff of intense desire fellas.

required reading:
http://www.quackwatch.org/

Exactly. It's the same thing with side effects - as ye seek so shall ye find.

 

[Jack_the_Lad]

Again yes, been overcome with grief because of hairloss suggests an unbalanced person that doesn't deal with stress very well. sure I'm not happy about hairloss either, I'm pretty sure life is going to throw more serious situations to deal with

 

[wheresmyhair]

Hey Zimmy boy thats some funny sh*t you have done with your regimen, hats off bro.
...and Redbone do you spend your life on this site, what you do all day. Look when you joined and the amount of posts you have up.

 

[elguapo]

We love you HairLossTalk.com!!! =)

Clinical evidence is good, and I can see why you get down when you hear 'us' saying that we want to try things that aren't as well supported by data. But 2 points that you must not forget, and maybe you have in these past 5 years monitoring this site: 1) Every guy that comes here is going to have some doubt about their regimen and the "proven" products until it actually works for them, which takes a lot of time (and the wait SUCKS), and 2) Even propecia was being used BEFORE being fda approved. It isn't that the fda is being paid off, but to get it approved costs money. I wish we could all try these products as an organized group, not requiring any money, to "prove" if products work for ourselves. But there's no way to coordinate an effort like that. Always gonna be some guy that says he got all his hair back in weeks, or something like that.

Anyway, keep your chin up. Your previous messages make it sound like you're about to lose it. This gd hairloss is like the "ring", making us fight each other when we are all fighting the same enemy.

Not gonna reply to this thread anymore, so no questions, please. I came to work only to find 80 messages in my inbox!! =(

Good luck!

 

[HairlossTalk]

Haven't forgotten any of that. And I don't think any of my posts reflect that either. I simply think that people are desperate and gullible and will believe anything they hear and will use anything they're told to use. I guarantee "oz brew" will be a thing of the past 7 months from now. I don't think anyone will be using it. Why? Becuase I have seen these things come and go over and over and over and over and over and over ... in the past 5 years.

Propecia was being used for hair loss before it came out as propecia because it had clinical data backing it. Its interesting that the one example you have also backs up everything I've said. Of course it was used. It was used because it was shown to work.

Can you say that for 100% of these other thigns these guys are using? no.

I have created a forum for proponents of unproven products to post in, but they don't use it. Go figure?

Regarding losing it? Not at all. It was just time someone stood up and asked these guys to back up their claims a little bit for once. After awhile I get sick of hearing completely uneducated people make claims about products none of us have any reason to believe work. Ridiculous claims like "Im seeing thickening and ive only been on it for 1 week!". Or "I dont CARE about clinical data or FDA approval or any of that!". This type of thinking is why we made this site. To educate people and to get them to require clinical data (not necessarily FDA approval) so that they can make *EDUCATED* decisions on what they want to use.

Also so they can know what and what NOT to claim about their regimens. Some guys don't want to be educated. Thats fine. But every so often we draw the line and say "Ok time to back up your claims". Its fun watching them have little or nothing intelligent to say in response too. Usually just insults.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[acfava]

i been using fluridil for awhile now. i decided to go with it because of what it's meant to do and because of the fact that studies show that it isnt absorbed systemically. i'm not a believer in messing with the prostate so that it produces less DHT. i rather block out the DHT from the follicles. overall, i'm pleased with the regrowth i've seen. after a haircut i got this week, a good friend commented how good my hair looked. this is someone who used to joke with me about goin bald. anyways, i think its helping.

 

[Hairybush1]

i think what it all comes down too is, if the guys who are trying all this new stuff would just keep it in the right forum, we wouldnt be having discussions like this thread.

Putting unproven methods of hair regrowth in the main forum along with proven items only confuses newbies and in turn they lose time, lose hair and probably lose their mind because they cant distinguish between items that have a greater chance of saving their hair or potentially losing money to a guy named the Hair Dot King for some "magic " crap.

 

[Odelay]

The moral of this story is that this site is not up to date with things that might be working for people?