What Dr Packard says about CPs

[CCS]

do we know if CPs repair follicles or are they just a growth stimulant like minoxidil?

i wonder the same thing about apply poly phenols, which have even less backing.

 

[CCS]

AC crew has the tri-amino CPs. Would it be an alternative to the Tricomin? It is half the price. I thought I read that the tricomin placebo lost hair. Do you think AC spray has as much CPs as tricomin?

 

[CCS]

I just found an AC add that said AC spray has 10x the CP concentration as the shampoo and conditioner. So i'm not going to bother buying the AC shampoo and conditioner.


ac spray:
Water, Alcohol Denat., Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide Copper HCL, Quaternium 23, Amodimethicone, Nonoxynol-10, Tallowtrimonium Chloride, Dimethyl Lauramine Isostearate, Linoleamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Benzethonium Chloride, Panthenol (Provitamin B5 Source), Polysorbate 60, Camelia Sinensis Leaf Extract (Green Tea Source), Serenoa Serrulata Fruit Extract (Palmetto Fruit Extract Source), Citric Acid (Molasses Source), Disodium EDTA, Fragrance, Methylparaben, Ethylparaben, Phenoxyethanol, Blue 1 (Cl 42090).

tricomin spray:
Purified Water, SD Alcohol 40B, Amodimethicone, Nonoxynol-10, Panthenol, Polyquaternium-11, Polysorbate 60, Tallowtrimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, Dimethyl Lauramine Isostearate, Linoleamidopropyl Ethyl Dimonium Ethosulfate, Triamino Copper Nutritional Complex (Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypetide Copper HCl), Methylparaben, Benzethonium Chloride, Menthol, FD&C Blue #1.

tricomin shampoo:
Purified Water, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Disodium Cocoamphodiacetate, Cocomidopropyl Betaine, Ceteth-16, Glycerin, Laneth-16, Oleth-16, Steareth-16, PEG-75 Lanolin, Sodium Chloride, Triamino Copper Nutritional Complex (Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypetide Copper HCl), Citric Acid, Diazolidinyl Urea, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Panthenol, Methylparaben, Fragrance, Propylparaben, Peppermint Oil, D&C Red #33, FD&C Blue #1.

baby shampoo:
Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, PEG-80 Sorbitan Laurate, Sodium Trideceth Sulfate, PEG-150 Distearate, Fragrance, Polyquaternium-10, Tetrasodium EDTA, Quaternium-15, Citric Acid, Yellow 10 and Orange 4.

lef.org NANO shampoo:
Water, PEG sorbitan laurate, cocamidopropyl betaine, sodium laureth sulfate, PEG-150, disodiumcocoamphodiacetate, NaCI, PEG-150 distearate, laureth-13 carboxylate, panthenol, 3-carboxylicacidpyridine N-Oxide (NANO), allantoin, arginine, superoxide dismutase (copper peptide), fragrance.

 

[CCS]

looks to me like the AC spray has more of the same active ingredients and similar vehicle to the tricomin.

tricomin shampoo has more salt than copper complex, and has many of the same shampoo ingredients as other shampoos. I think I'll just use my spray imediately after showering, and once or twice a week in the shower after a quick baby shampoo.

I think adding a little glycerol will make it more gentle and absorb slower and longer. some rose mary oil will help open the pores.

I don't see the point of using a low concentration shampoo for just 5 minutes when the spray will be wet for 10-15. I'll use folligen for my whole head and AC spray for my thin areas, along with Prox-N. I might put the AC spray on my whole head 2-3 times per week.

What do you think, techprofessor?

 

[CCS]

AC spray is $25 for 6oz.
AC serum is stronger and is $17 for 1oz.

Tricomin is $46 for 6oz, and Folligen is $30 for 8oz.
Ounce for once the folligen and AC spray are about the same price. I know folligen is stronger than tricomin, but the AC spray is stronger than Tricomin with the same ingredients. I don't know how AC spray compares to folligen strength, but I suspect they are similar.

I'm going to buy myself 3 of them at a site that has free shipping for larger orders, though at some I may only need to buy 2. I think AC spray is the same as the original tricomin. I'd just like to add some 5% glycerol to it to slow down the evaporation just a little. I read it feels real good. I think I can dilute it to 8 oz and not lose much effectiveness, unless the alcohol is needed for absorption.

 

[mvpsoft]

personally for me I don't mind spending 8$ per month (one ml per day of tricomin) for a fda proved treatment.

Pay whatever you like, but you're not getting an FDA approved treatment. You're getting a treatment that is slightly different than the version that passed FDA muster. We don't know whether using additional amounts will give you the same results that were achieved in the FDA trials.

When you use Folligen, you at least are getting the exact same product that was tested. But the tests weren't as thorough.

 

[CCS]

folligen was tested?

what keywords should I search for?

 

[Felk]

mvpsoft, im impressed at your knowledge of copper peptides, especially because i remember you telling me that proxiphen/prox-n and copper peptides were very different and I shouldn't confuse them

 

[Sean68]

why wouldnt they just use the same amount of peptides as they did in the trials of tricomin? i think most people would buy it if there wasnt all this confusion.id definitely be willing to pay the extra.

 

[CCS]

yeah, especially after they paid for the trial.

 

[mvpsoft]

mvpsoft, im impressed at your knowledge of copper peptides, especially because i remember you telling me that proxiphen/prox-n and copper peptides were very different and I shouldn't confuse them

Well, Proctor's product is very different than any of the CU products. It contains minoxidil, spironolactone and other stuff not contained in the CU products such as Folligen and Tricomin.

 

[mvpsoft]

folligen was tested?

what keywords should I search for?

The test results are reported on Pickart's site.

 

[CCS]

oh. That is less reliable than pubmed. Well, it is cheap, and shedmaster swears by it.

 

[mvpsoft]

I think what Pickart reports are studies done on rats. Not as reliable as studies done on humans or even monkeys, obviously, but evidence nonetheless that Folligen has some benefit. Pickart alludes to evidence that copper peptides work synergistically with minoxidil, but I don't know on what basis he says this.

Apparently the patent on GKU copper peptides (the "first generation" developed by Pickart for Procyte) runs out soon. If that's the case, we should see generic versions of Tricomin coming out, with much lower prices.

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

I think what Pickart reports are studies done on rats. Not as reliable as studies done on humans or even monkeys, obviously, but evidence nonetheless that Folligen has some benefit. Pickart alludes to evidence that copper peptides work synergistically with minoxidil, but I don't know on what basis he says this.

Apparently the patent on GKU copper peptides (the "first generation" developed by Pickart for Procyte) runs out soon. If that's the case, we should see generic versions of Tricomin coming out, with much lower prices.

Don't know if this is true or not, but I read that the minoxidil grows peach fuzz, and the copper peptides help turn the fuzz into terminal hairs.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-Copper-Pep ... &id=186699

I sure hope that the patent runs out soon, especially since AC decided to change their formula and I've only got a limited supply of the old stuff left.

BTW, I think i'm going to put the spray all over my head, every day after a shower and put the serum to my temple areas, then apply minoxidil ten minutes later, does sound like a good plan? I am only going to use the AC spray and serum once a day, unless I should use it more or less.

 

[mu0325]

what about Dr. Proctor's CP CCS?

 

[CCS]

they have a lot more than just CPs in there. I can't say much about them, but they have a lot of other stuff dr p says is good.

I put a drop on some pH paper. The pH is 2.2. I think coca cola is about 3. Folligen's pH is around 6.

 

[mu0325]

they have a lot more than just CPs in there. I can't say much about them, but they have a lot of other stuff dr p says is good.

I put a drop on some pH paper. The pH is 2.2. I think coca cola is about 3. Folligen's pH is around 6.

could you explain a little more about PH? and which one is good?

finance major here :?

 

[Bryan]

Apparently the patent on GKU copper peptides (the "first generation" developed by Pickart for Procyte) runs out soon. If that's the case, we should see generic versions of Tricomin coming out, with much lower prices.

That's a very naive thing to say. Copper peptides are still just a "fringe" treatment for hairloss, compared to Rogaine and Propecia. I predict that the day the patent expires on the GKU copper-peptide will come and go completely unnoticed by the hairloss industry.

Bryan

 

[mvpsoft]

That's a very naive thing to say. Copper peptides are still just a "fringe" treatment for hairloss, compared to Rogaine and Propecia. I predict that the day the patent expires on the GKU copper-peptide will come and go completely unnoticed by the hairloss industry.

If everyone in the industry thinks there is no money to be made with generic GKU-CU products, then that is true. But it only takes one generic to create competition and lower the price. I predict there will be at least one, although not necessarily the very day the patent expires. It doesn't have to be a large company, and it doesn't have to be their sole product. Any company that has an existing customer base can create synergistic sales if they can introduce a complementary product that will appeal to their existing customer base. The product doesn't have to stand alone, it can simply generate incremental business to be successful.

Of course the Mercks or Pfizers of the world won't bother. But it doesn't follow that the Revivogen-level companies won't.