What Dr Packard says about CPs

[CCS]

We have many questions about various types copper peptides used in skin and hair products.

In Summary, the facts are these:

1. The only copper peptides that have been proven - by credible skin authorities who published their results in major dermatology journals - to improve skin and hair are those invented and patented by Dr. Pickart when he was at ProCyte Corporation and the newer breakdown-resistant, long-acting copper peptides that Pickart has since developed and patented at Skin Biology. See Patents.

If companies cannot send you studies on their products that were published in reputable, reviewed science journals, then do not buy the products.

2. The only copper peptides that have passed intensive and adequate safety testing are again those sold by Skin Biology, Neutrogena, and ProCyte.

3. Not all copper peptides have tissue regenerative properties. Copper peptides can be inactive or even highly toxic. Many snake venoms, bacterial toxins, insect venoms are copper peptides.

4. Some cosmetic companies use peptides produced by bacteria (such as B. Sublitis) or produced by yeast. However, such peptides can often cause allergies and respiratory problems.

5. Some companies marketing unproved copper peptides are the same companies that have been, in the past, heavily fined by the US Government for false and deceptive advertising of skin and hair products.

6. The only type of copper peptides that have tissue regenerative effects are those formed with with copper 2 ions (copper +2). Copper peptides formed with copper 1 (copper +1) have no regenerative activities on skin or hair. These are often sold as "Colorless Copper:". See copper peptide regeneration

7. Some cosmetic companies use various copper chelates such as copper EDTA, copper gluconate, or copper PCA (copper 5-oxo-L-proline, copper 2-pyrrolidine-5-carboxylic acid). Such types of complexes are usually very toxic to fibroblasts, the primary skin repair cell.

8. Many single peptides (without copper) being advertised for skin renewal appear to be similar in action to skin hardening and scar producing peptides that were extensively studied for potential uses as wound healing drugs.

9. You can buy skin and hair products based on real medical science and extensively tested for safety for the same prices as the "hype" products.
There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a cheaper - John Ruskin

 

[beaner]

AC uses the same peptides as Tricomin, licensed from Procyte.....assuming the title of your post is questioning the peptide content of the American Crew line.

 

[CCS]

Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide Copper HCL

OK. One another site the ingredients were listed differently.

 

[CCS]

I wonder why those three amino acids were chosen, and if they are better than the folligen ones.

 

[beaner]

Did you change the title of this post or did I lose my mind?

 

[CCS]

I changed the title

 

[Felk]

I just wish we knew more about the stronger version of tricomin which out performed minoxidil in partial FDA trials.

I guess one could always apply more, twice a day, to attempt the same benefit.

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

So is the American Crew Revitalize serum and Conditioner good to use?

 

[CCS]

yes. I'd have to look at the conditioner ingredients to tell you if there is anything good in there. but the spray is definitely good.

 

[techprof]

college,
this reads like bull sh*t.

How can Dr. Pickart say that tricomin and folligen have the same amount of s tudies to back them? He is cheating.

tricomin went through fda trials phase 1 and 2 and folligen is a different peptide.

 

[mvpsoft]

Keep in mind that the Tricomin you purchase has a different concentration of CUs than were used in the FDA trials. That means that neither Tricomin nor Folligen, in their present formulations, went through FDA trials. So technically it is correct to say that both have the same amount of studies to back them up. There are studies of Folligen, conducted at UC San Jose (or one of the UC campuses) I believe.

 

[CCS]

I did not know about a study for follige. But that sounds like enough info to find it.

Yeah, I wondered about him saying that myself.

 

[techprof]

mvpsoft,
I agree that FDA studied tricomin and the current version does not have the same concentration (no knows how much differenct they are).

Let's say minoxidil got FDA approval at 5%. Would you give more credibility to lower concentration minoxidil or to a higher concentration minoxidil mimetic?

PS., can you post the link to the UC study. Was it funded by Pickart?

 

[mvpsoft]

Let's say minoxidil got FDA approval at 5%. Would you give more credibility to lower concentration minoxidil or to a higher concentration minoxidil mimetic?

What does that have to do with copper peptides?

PS., can you post the link to the UC study. Was it funded by Pickart?

I don't know, but you can email him and ask for details.

 

[CCS]

It means that without a several doses tested in a study, how do we know minoxidil regrows more hair at higher doses? Maybe 5% happens to be stronger than 2%, but 4% is optimal, or the slower evaporation of the vehicle is what matters. The fact is 2% puts more minoxidil in the scalp than 5% does. But many people are using 15% minoxidil because they think the dose matters. Some are even using quick drying minoxidil. The point is unless we test this stuff, we don't know what will work better. And unless the new concentration was tested, we don't know if it will work as well as the stuff in the FDA trial. While the FDA trial stuff is proven, the diluted stuff is not. So it is not accurate to say tricomin is proven and folligen is not.

 

[techprof]

I would like to get Bryan's attention to this thread.

Tricomin contains a particular copper peptide that was shown to grow hair. They changed the concentration and are selling the diluted version.
Now, even if the concentration is low, by using larger amount of the same spray you should get close to what was shown to work in the FDA trials.

With folligen, Dr. Pickard is using a mimetic of copper peptide used in the tricomin. He is using soy protein and chemical reactions to come up with some copper peptides. How do we know if this peptide is worser, better or same as tricomin peptide (irrespective of concentration).

There could be zillions of copper peptides, but none of them have the fda studies to back them as tricomin copper peptide. (This is including copper peptides used by Dr. Proctor which could be better than tricomin).

PS., I am not saying folligen is necessarily worser than tricomin. But to claim that tricomin and folligen are equally proved to be useful against hairloss is wrong.

 

[CCS]

agreed. We do know more about tricomin than we do about folligen. but we still don't know that much about tricomin. maybe we should alternate days with the two?

 

[techprof]

yes college alternate between the two.
personally for me I don't mind spending 8$ per month (one ml per day of tricomin) for a fda proved treatment.

My recommendation would be the same for every hairloss sufferer. We don't have any cure for baldness. As of now we have two fda approved proved ones (propecia and minoxidil) and a partially-fda proven tricomin. We should use all of these three in addition to everything else we migh use (spironolactone, prox-n, etc).

BTW, Iam planning to get the tricomin shampoo in the near future.

 

[CCS]

yeah, i thought about getting the tricomin shampoo myself. expensive, but i will substitute it for a day of NANO. Do you think it would be better to to just not dry your hair out of the shower and apply the tricomin afterwards, if hydration helps absorption? they you could use the tricomin then and maybe absorb more than with the shampoo.

I like folligen becuase when I dilute it, I can use 4mL on my whole head. can't do that with tricomin. I'd just use the tricomin my my thin areas, at least until I graduate from college.

 

[techprof]

college I am planning to replace nano shampoo with tricomin shampoo to cut down the cost.
applying tricomin immediately after shower should help with absorption.