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I haven't used it long, I don't know. I know it inflames the hell out of red marks, to the point where you think life isn't worth living. Then the redness goes away and it might even reduce the redness. But what I did yesterday is I applied it before going in for IPL. I've been in to get IPL (intense pulsed light) like 8 times before this, and the improvement was okay, but minor. I had a "broken capillary" under my eye when I was younger, and over time it gradually faded, although it was still noticable to me. But while getting a pulsed dye laser to treat this, the doctor, Dr. Padma Jain, who I totally do not recommend, did not zap the spot I asked her to. And little did I know, she was zapping me way too hard. I had bruising for like a month afterwards wherever she zapped me. So after she was done, I see she missed the spot I wanted done most. If not for that spot, I wouldn't have even gone to see her. So, I asked her to zap it. So she zaps a spot beside it she already had zapped. So then after that I have this diffuse redness as a result of her doing that.
So anyways, yesterday I applied ascorbic acid about 1 hour before going into the session, because for one the people are always like "I don't see it" when they are looking for the redness I tell them is there, and also I thought, if I brought out the redness, the treatment would catch the affected area, and it would result in better results. The jury is still out on that, but I've never had it be this red the day after, so I'm pretty excited. Because the redness fades over the course of days, to a point where it was better than before.
So, long story short, don't use topicals to get rid of redness, use IPL or some type of laser. But maybe try to inflame the redness before a treatmetn session with a topical so the laser/light has more of the redness to catch, and thus fade over the course of days.
So anyways, yesterday I applied ascorbic acid about 1 hour before going into the session, because for one the people are always like "I don't see it" when they are looking for the redness I tell them is there, and also I thought, if I brought out the redness, the treatment would catch the affected area, and it would result in better results. The jury is still out on that, but I've never had it be this red the day after, so I'm pretty excited. Because the redness fades over the course of days, to a point where it was better than before.
So, long story short, don't use topicals to get rid of redness, use IPL or some type of laser. But maybe try to inflame the redness before a treatmetn session with a topical so the laser/light has more of the redness to catch, and thus fade over the course of days.
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FairTaxNow said:
Right. He is emphatic that it stimulates hair growth, similar to minoxidil. My understanding is that the NANO and minoxidil molecules are rather similar.
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NANO and minoxidil are nitric oxide agonists. If you go back and search old alt.baldspot posts, you'll find lots of them from Dr. Proctor talking about how nitric oxide seems to be the chemical messenger that tells hair follicles to grow, whereas superoxide tells them to stop growing.
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Thanks Bryan. I'm sold, will be getting some of the NANO shampoo to alternate with Revita.
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Follically Challenged said:
I've never seen anything indicating that ketoconazole is a 5a-reductase inhibitor.
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Yes. Ketoconazole has been shown to be an androgen receptor blocker.
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Nobody really knows. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'm going to assume that it's the antiandrogenic properties of ketoconazole which are helpful for male pattern baldness.
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BTW, I should also mention here that while there's disagreement and uncertainty about how Nizoral shampoo apparently helps male pattern baldness (some people like myself think that it's probably the antiandrogenic property which is responsible, whereas others think it's just the antifungal property which does the trick), there may be a relatively simple way to test it: the very same study which discovered the antiandrogenic effect of ketoconazole also found that other antifungal drugs like clotrimazole and miconazole do NOT block androgen receptors.
So if you do a similar test like that French doctor did with Nizoral but substitute one of those other antifungal drugs for the ketoconazole, the result ought to provide persuasive evidence for the actual mechanism: if it's as helpful as Nizoral, then it's very likely just the antifungal property which is responsible. If it doesn't work at all, it's probably the antiandrogenic property of ketoconazole which does the trick.
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So if you do a similar test like that French doctor did with Nizoral but substitute one of those other antifungal drugs for the ketoconazole, the result ought to provide persuasive evidence for the actual mechanism: if it's as helpful as Nizoral, then it's very likely just the antifungal property which is responsible. If it doesn't work at all, it's probably the antiandrogenic property of ketoconazole which does the trick.
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Bryan said:
Was this study of people who had normal scalp conditions?
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Will be ordering my NANO here: http://www.healthmegamall.com/prodList- ... th_s25.htm
$21.11 and FREE shipping. Heck I might as well add another freakin pill to my supplement regimen and add some Twinlab Biotin for only $4.34
$21.11 and FREE shipping. Heck I might as well add another freakin pill to my supplement regimen and add some Twinlab Biotin for only $4.34
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Placed my order this morning. Ahh, now I've gotta play this horrible waiting game again!
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jm,
don't mean to be rude. But you really have to make your own decision about whether or not you should get it.
I don't think you need to use both Revita and Nizoral, as I've said to a you a few times before, that this seems like a Ketoconazole overkill, but again that must have skipped past your eyes. Follically challenged said that again on page 2 here.
If you have a question on what something is or how it works, try searching on it first and 9/10 times you find the answer.
don't mean to be rude. But you really have to make your own decision about whether or not you should get it.
I don't think you need to use both Revita and Nizoral, as I've said to a you a few times before, that this seems like a Ketoconazole overkill, but again that must have skipped past your eyes. Follically challenged said that again on page 2 here.
If you have a question on what something is or how it works, try searching on it first and 9/10 times you find the answer.
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oh, my bad jm. Like I said, I didn't mean to be rude, I guess just was
I think everything you really need to know is right in this thread stated by Bryan. If you search you'll find more info on it, which I came across, but never about what it actually does to regrow hair.
It also has copper peptides in the shampoo as well so you'll also be getting CP's on your Revita off-days. FYI it sounds like you can't have a CP overkill like you can with Ketoconazole (main Nizoral ingredient that's also in Revita) so you could get a CP solution to use as well if you were pondering that.
I think everything you really need to know is right in this thread stated by Bryan. If you search you'll find more info on it, which I came across, but never about what it actually does to regrow hair.
It also has copper peptides in the shampoo as well so you'll also be getting CP's on your Revita off-days. FYI it sounds like you can't have a CP overkill like you can with Ketoconazole (main Nizoral ingredient that's also in Revita) so you could get a CP solution to use as well if you were pondering that.
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yea i wont use my nizoral that much. im good for shampoos for now.
i doubt i will keep on buying revita shampoo i think 32 with shipping is quite too much. maybe if they lowered the price but for some reason just because they slam all these products in it doesnt mean its going to work good. even though their website and customer service looks good. im not too sure about their products
ive been using Tricomin for like the last 1-2 months i guess i am noticing a healthier scalp but no regrowth anywhere...actually it seems like i am shedding...never experienced one before though...actually wednesday im gonna talk to a doctor and ask his opinion on finasteride...i think hes a pretty good Doctor. then i think this week i may do a .50 eod of finasteride. or maybe .25 from my local walgreens for awhile. hopefully they will carry a generic 1mg there like they do 5mg
i doubt i will keep on buying revita shampoo i think 32 with shipping is quite too much. maybe if they lowered the price but for some reason just because they slam all these products in it doesnt mean its going to work good. even though their website and customer service looks good. im not too sure about their products
ive been using Tricomin for like the last 1-2 months i guess i am noticing a healthier scalp but no regrowth anywhere...actually it seems like i am shedding...never experienced one before though...actually wednesday im gonna talk to a doctor and ask his opinion on finasteride...i think hes a pretty good Doctor. then i think this week i may do a .50 eod of finasteride. or maybe .25 from my local walgreens for awhile. hopefully they will carry a generic 1mg there like they do 5mg
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I believe DS Labs put quite a bit of R&D into Revita as they have all of their products. If the cheapest you can find it for is $27 that's because the vendors selling this stuff has to make a profit and pay their bills and feed/house/educate their family, so do the engineers, scientists, managers, customer service reps, IT team, accountants, tech writers, janitors, etc. at DS Labs as well and that's the price they determined is needed to recoup a profit from the investment put into it.
200ml will last quite a while used 5x/week and with a pre-wash method where you use a cheap shampoo first and rinse right away. Then the 2nd shampoo lathers up nice with just a small bit of shampoo. Only what's on the surface area of your scalp will absorb anyways so I don't see what the point of ever using a TON of these types of shampoo is for.
I thought you already ordered Revita, and I thought you already ordered Fincar? You will see that this stuff is going to last you a while. If you have any doubts on these ingredients being combined, why don't you email them about it? As you said, and I concur, their customer service is superb and hopefully they would keep up that track record with that question of yours.
You stated in a previous post that you had already ordered the fincar from inhouse. Did you just get scared off and have that stuff sitting there at your house? If so, the stuff is very likely legit, might as well just use it.
Are you using Tricomin solution or the shampoo? I considered getting the Tricomin or folligen solution too but I'm getting to that point of a laundry list already and won't know when to put the CP solution on between the Spectral DNC and the essential oils!
200ml will last quite a while used 5x/week and with a pre-wash method where you use a cheap shampoo first and rinse right away. Then the 2nd shampoo lathers up nice with just a small bit of shampoo. Only what's on the surface area of your scalp will absorb anyways so I don't see what the point of ever using a TON of these types of shampoo is for.
I thought you already ordered Revita, and I thought you already ordered Fincar? You will see that this stuff is going to last you a while. If you have any doubts on these ingredients being combined, why don't you email them about it? As you said, and I concur, their customer service is superb and hopefully they would keep up that track record with that question of yours.
You stated in a previous post that you had already ordered the fincar from inhouse. Did you just get scared off and have that stuff sitting there at your house? If so, the stuff is very likely legit, might as well just use it.
Are you using Tricomin solution or the shampoo? I considered getting the Tricomin or folligen solution too but I'm getting to that point of a laundry list already and won't know when to put the CP solution on between the Spectral DNC and the essential oils!
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yes i agree about that....for a cheap shampoo i guess i can use my jasons thin to thick. Rinse right away then use the Revita and let it sit for 3-5 minutes as stated then condition.
as for the Fincar yes i did get scared away and sent it back. I think since i want a small dosage of finasteride even buying 30 days of propecia will last awhile. im going to start off with .25 EOD then .50 EOD then ill see from there. Im sure ill have no problems switching to something later on. What do u think?
I have a question. What essential oils do u use? and also yourself do u use NANO?
I use the Tricomin Follicle spray. have been for about 2 months i think and for the money its working out great! only 20 percent done with the bottle and i just put a few sprays on my hairline and the temple region and rub it in gently.
as for the Fincar yes i did get scared away and sent it back. I think since i want a small dosage of finasteride even buying 30 days of propecia will last awhile. im going to start off with .25 EOD then .50 EOD then ill see from there. Im sure ill have no problems switching to something later on. What do u think?
I have a question. What essential oils do u use? and also yourself do u use NANO?
I use the Tricomin Follicle spray. have been for about 2 months i think and for the money its working out great! only 20 percent done with the bottle and i just put a few sprays on my hairline and the temple region and rub it in gently.
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Also what Norwood are u? just wondering because i see you are using Spectral DNC. Im thinking about getting one of the two just for my right temple mostly. everyone is praising the Foam because of its effectiveness and price. just my problem, i really dont wanna shed! or f*** up my hairline. thats why im leaning towards Spectral. Have you experienced any shedding?