Visual proof of DHT effects on DONOR AREA

[michael barry]

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full


If you look at the pictures of that man's hippocratic wreath AFTER six months of proscar (finasteride), you will see that his hair shafts are much thicker back there, proving a direct influence even on your "donor hair" of androgens. Even the hair on the sides is negatively affected by male hormone.

 

[Guest]

Interesting. The hair looks healthier overall.

The question is why that hair never falls out, even though it's being affected by DHT according to this theory.

And BTW, I still can't understand why I continue seeing so many guys with almost no recesion like the guy in this pictures and taking a hairtransplant.. Those guys are really crazy or simply IGNORANTs...

 

[michael barry]

Good guy,


ALOT OF IT WILL FALL OUT>

Thats the point. Look and pay attention to older bald men in their sixties and seventies. Their hippocratic wreaths only contain perhaps twenty five thousand hairs by that time.


Look at Dick Cheney. See how thin the hair in his hippocratic wreath is? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DN

 

[Guest]

Good guy,


ALOT OF IT WILL FALL OUT>

Thats the point. Look and pay attention to older bald men in their sixties and seventies. Their hippocratic wreaths only contain perhaps twenty five thousand hairs by that time.


Look at Dick Cheney. See how thin the hair in his hippocratic wreath is? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DN

Okey, then I don't understand why those guys are so stupid to get a hair tranplant when they have so much hair... When the rest falls out, they will look like clowns. They only get benefits on the SHORT term.

Now that you named this, the other day, I saw a 70 years old man, completely bald, and you could see his hair transplant donor area scar...

It looked really bad.

This is something people don't talk about, but in the long term they will have problems.

Hair Transplants are FAKE SHORT TERM Solutions.

 

[Aplunk1]

Hair Transplants are FAKE SHORT TERM Solutions.

WRONG.

Some people are absolute GREAT candidates for transplants. Some are NOT.

These kind of statements are glittering generalities that need to be addressed.

Transplant can BENEFIT many people.

I'm only 20 years old.

If I get a transplant now that will last for the next 10-20 years, you don't think it would be worth it?

Within 20 years, you don't believe there will be better treatments?

What if I keep up with treatments and successfully stabilize my hairloss?

Transplants are a viable solution for many men.

 

[michael barry]

Aplunk,

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full



Look at the pictures again my friend. See how thin the WREATH hairs were pre-surgery. Look at how much finasteride helped the wreath (back AND sides) out. These hairs are affected by DHT too. Not nearly as much as the ones on the top of your head, because they dont have as many androgen receptors.

However, even with propecia, which cuts DHT over seventy percent, you still have DHT transpcription going on in the androgen receptors of all hairs. A doctor once told me that Propecia sees a two year drammatic increase in hair counts, but then, each year thereafter for the REST OF A MANS LIFE, a slow regression. A man is back to where he started in year twelve to fourteen. He will continue to lose hair, but much more slowly than what he would have. These pics demonstrate that even your "donor area" is somewhat sensitive to androgens.


Thats why, until Hair Multiplication at LEAST passes phase two trials that will be underway in June/July of this year, a guy would be foolish to get plugs at an early age. Betting on future treatments are you? Hey bro' some of us have been waiting on better things since propecia in 97" and we are still waiting. Its been almost a decade. A great androgen-receptor blocker that could be added to shampoo is about the best you can hope for, along with some terrific anti-inflammatory's. A gene cure is decades away even according to the researchers. Cloning is the best hope. If I were young, Id keep fighting it, but I wouldnt get surgery, yet.


Good guy, Ive seen donor scars in thin-assed hippocratic wreaths too. A couple behind "hair islands" when the guy didnt have the wreath hair to finish what he started. Ive had HairClubforMen sylists tell me stories of what some old transplants look like under the wigs that guys there wear (I tried their EXT program a few years back-------was a bust, no better than the big three and much more expensive). Alot of guys getting plugs now run the risk of having huge bald spots behind them in thirty years if no cloning, gene therapy, etc does arise. Id prefer those two solutions to any indication because I dont want my hair to be dependent on any treatment. I'd like a "cure".

 

[Guest]

Hair Transplants are FAKE SHORT TERM Solutions.

WRONG.

Some people are absolute GREAT candidates for transplants. Some are NOT.

These kind of statements are glittering generalities that need to be addressed.

Transplant can BENEFIT many people.

I'm only 20 years old.

If I get a transplant now that will last for the next 10-20 years, you don't think it would be worth it?

Within 20 years, you don't believe there will be better treatments?

What if I keep up with treatments and successfully stabilize my hairloss?

Transplants are a viable solution for many men.

You are wrong. you didn't understand my point.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOTS OF HAIR.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOTS OF HAIR AND GET A TRANSPLANT WILL HAVE PROBLEMS IN FUTURE.

EVEN THE BEST NON-COMMERCIAL AND NON-LUCRATIVE HAIR TRANSPLANT DOCTORS SAY THIS. NOT ME.

GETTING A HAIR TRANSPLANT AND CONSIDERING IT A 10-20 YEARS SOLUTION for a young man, IS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION IN MY OPINION. And that SUCKS.

Seeking a short term solution and HOPING for a future CURE is not the best option in my opinion.

Not to name what I said in my previous post:

"I saw a 70 years old man, completely bald, and you could see his hair transplant donor area scar..."


The problem is that some people are really SICKOS aka PSYCHOS, and they are devored by hollywood imposed models, and will do anything to look good. It's normal, you are living in a country where "image" is considered everything. People and society is becoming more and more superficial, vanity is devoring people too.. Very very sad.

 

[Aplunk1]

Michael,
unless there is a problem with my browser, the only pics that come up are of this man:

His donor area before and after look essentially the same.

 

[Aplunk1]

Michael,

I was merely playing Devil's Advocate.

In the last 20 years, the fight against Male-Pattern Baldness has finally picked up...

I mean, with the addition of Minoxidil to shelves in '88, the addition of Propecia in'98, Nizoral, etc, I think that we're doing very well in this fight.

We've essentially come to understand male-pattern baldness and its relation in sex hormones.

We're progressing at a phenomenal rate.

We are on the edge of a technological curve. Numerous treatments are being tested for male pattern baldness, and you know that. Curis, HM, topical antiandrogens, regrowth agents, are ALL in the testing.

Aside from all this, there are many failed hair transplant surgeons, and few good ones.

The few talented, ethical, and artistic surgeons out there CAN restore one's appearance with the limited hair they have.

With the addition of dutasteride in the game, why cannot people keep their transplanted hairs for 20+ years? We're talking DONOR hair, here.

How many of us are YEARS away from turning 70?

I believe that starting medical treatments early, in addition to a transplant, can be a VERY VIABLE alternative for NW2-5's.

 

[michael barry]

That man has had over six thousand follicular units extracted on the pic on the LEFT than on the right.

And yet, his hiar looks thicker. The individual hairs look MUCH THICKER. The hairs on the sides look much thicker than before. The original pics are on hairsite. You dont see a difference in the quality of the indivudual hairs even on this picture?

Pretty obvious if you ask me.

The conclusion is obvious, if you have baldness, ALL your hair has some sensitivity to male hormone, and even your hippocratic wreath gets thinner as the years go by. Anyone getting surgery should get on propecia and stay on it for life.

 

[Aplunk1]

Michael,

did anyone ever tell you that PICS ARE DECEIVING?

 

[Guest]

Yes, Hair looks healthier in the second picture.

I have seen other guys using Propecia, before and after pictures, and in all cases hair looks healthier.

Looks like DHT makes hair look UGLY. :evil:

 

[Aplunk1]

Michael,
have you considered the mere fact that his hair is longer in the second picture? Could diet, exercise, or general well-being play any difference in his hair's vitality.

You CANNOT simply speculate that finasteride is the reason for his donor hair's thickness.

You ARE NOT the physician handling his case details.

You ALONE CANNOT make these judgments.

 

[wookster]

If DHT even affects the "androgen neutral" hair in the donor zone,
then why not transplant hair from an area that thrives on DHT? :hairy:

 

[powersam]

i agree with your conclusion but those photos don't help it much. the pic on the right has longer hair which makes it look thicker and healthier.

 

[michael barry]

Wookie,

You mean body hair like the guys over at hairsite are so high on?

Its super expensive. The hair usually only grows about thee times the length it did in its "donor" location also. Some guys body hair grows long on their heads, but some others dont. There is problems with circumference of the hairs too. Ive yet to get a pic from a Doctor that proves to me that the body hair ever gets as thick in diameter per hair as scalp hair does. Ive asked many of them.

Ive attempted to find out if beard hair could be "plucked out" via the Gho method and implanted, since beard hair grows long on your face and is the fattest follicle-type anywhere on a man, but have gotten no resonse from this. Many people have beard hair that grows "kinky" though, and that cosmetically would be a huge problem there. Personally, I only see body hair being used as "filler" and especially to replenish depleted donor areas. However, if you have both types on your head, and body hair needs male hormone, all topical anti-androgens, especailly receptor blockers would need to be discontinued. A Doctor had posted the body hair you have when you take finasteride, would still grow when it was moved to the scalp, but you wouldnt want to put sprio on it or anything.

Like many others who have researched hair, Im still waiting for ICX cloning trials to commence phase two.

 

[michael barry]

Powersam,

Look at MY original post, look over the side photo. See the difference in thickness of the individual hairs? Look close. This is just six months.

 

[wookster]

Wookie,

You mean body hair like the guys over at hairsite are so high on?

Its super expensive. The hair usually only grows about thee times the length it did in its "donor" location also. Some guys body hair grows long on their heads, but some others dont. There is problems with circumference of the hairs too. Ive yet to get a pic from a Doctor that proves to me that the body hair ever gets as thick in diameter per hair as scalp hair does. Ive asked many of them.

Ive attempted to find out if beard hair could be "plucked out" via the Gho method and implanted, since beard hair grows long on your face and is the fattest follicle-type anywhere on a man, but have gotten no resonse from this. Many people have beard hair that grows "kinky" though, and that cosmetically would be a huge problem there. Personally, I only see body hair being used as "filler" and especially to replenish depleted donor areas. However, if you have both types on your head, and body hair needs male hormone, all topical anti-androgens, especailly receptor blockers would need to be discontinued. A Doctor had posted the body hair you have when you take finasteride, would still grow when it was moved to the scalp, but you wouldnt want to put sprio on it or anything.

Like many others who have researched hair, Im still waiting for ICX cloning trials to commence phase two.

Does body hair get thicker with age? Mine has not. My body hair[and head hair] was much thicker in my late twenties or so. I suspect that the body hair transplants will also have a significant failure rate.

 

[stax]

So how will HM solve this problem if some people's donor area is effected by DHT?

 

[ronaldkia]

whats more important and revelant to understand, is what part of the brain is right inside next to the donor area? does anybody know?? ive been wondering for a long time.