Used A Dozen Products, No Regrowth, Still Shedding

[smitysmity]

Facts
Current Age: Age 26
Early signs of hair loss: Age 18
Real Pictures: Pending
Picture of Type of Hair Loss:

Genes: Father side only, older brother (5 years) has about the same amount of hair loss.

Current Treatments
November 2009 to January 2010
Shampoo
- Tricomin (10 times a week)

Topical
- Rogaine (7 times a week)
- Revivogen (7 times a week)

End Result: Shedding Reduced, Still Was Happening

January 2010 to August 2010
Shampoo
- Tricomin Shampoo (3 times a week)
- Tricomin Conditioner (7 times a week)
- Revita Shampoo (7 times a week)

Topical
- Rogaine (5 times a week)
- Revivogen (5 times a week)
- Spectral DNC (7 times a week)

Vitamins
- Thomas Namron Plus (5 times a week)
- Phyto Hair & Nails (7 times a week)

End Result: Shedding Still Occurring, but reduced some more.

September 2010 to February 2011
Shampoo
- Tricomin Conditioner (7 times a week)
- Revita Shampoo (5 times a week)
- Nizoral 2% Shampoo (4 times a week)
- Tricomin Shampoo (2 times a week)

Topical
- Rogaine (10 times a week)
- Revivogen (5 times a week)

Vitamins
- Phyto Hair & Nails (7 times a week)
- Thomas Namron Plus (5 times a week)

Prescription
- Propecia (2 to 3 times a week)

End Result: Shedding Still Occurring, but once again it is slowly being reduced again. Most noticeable shedding on sides, front and temples. Back index portion has significantly reduced.

March 2011 to Today
Shampoo: Primary
- Regenepure NT (2 times a week)
- Regenepure DR (2 times a week)
- Nizoral 2% Shampoo (3 times a week)

Shampoo: Secondary
- Tricomin Shampoo (1 time a week) (may not be used at all)
- Revita Shampoo (1 time a week) (may not be used at all)
- Bosley Shampoo (1 time a week) (only used when going out)
- Nioxin Shampoo (1 time a week) (only used when I feel hair needs additional cleaning)

Conditioner
- Tricomin Conditioner (3 times a week)
- Bosley Conditioner (1 time a week) (only used when going out)
- Nioxin Conditioner (1 time a week) (only used when I feel hair needs additional cleaning)

Topical
- Spectral DNC (10 times a week)
- Revivogen (5 times a week)
- Min New York (3 times a week)
- Rogaine (1 time a week)

Vitamins
- Thomas Namron Plus (10 a week)
- Phyto Hair & Nails (10 a week)
- Nioxin Recharging Complex (7 a week)
- Folicure (7 a week)
- Focus Factor (10 a week)
- Fish Oil (14 a week)
- Flax Seed (14 a week)

Prescription
- Propecia (4 times a week)

Hair Spray
- Tricomin (3 times a week)
- Nioxin (1 time a week)
- Bosley (1 time a week)

Diet
- Cut out all bad foods, focusing 100% on healthy foods though I was eating healthy since mid 2010.

End Result: Undetermined. Will give this until the end of the year before I strongly consider minor surgery.

Treatment Conclusions
Rogaine - Low results, stopping after 3 month supply ends.
Propecia - Low results, will continue to use.
Revivogen - Extremely low results, stopping after 5 month supply ends.
Revita Shampoo - Medium results, stopping after 1 month supply ends.
Tricomin Shampoo - Low results, stopping after 2 month supply ends.
Tricomin Conditioner - Low results, will continue to use.
Phyto/Thomas Namron - Good results, will continue to use.

Future Additions
I need assistance with recommendations on what I should do here in terms of fixing my current regimen.

1). What should I cut from my current 7 day cycle?
2). What should I consider adding to my current 7 day cycle?

I have been reviewing multiple products and things I am seriously considering now are

- Spironolactone
- RU58841 or CB0301
- Eucapil (Fluridil)

I also am going to research more on

- Avodart
- Flutamide
- Superoxide Dismutase
- Alfatradiol
- ASC-J9
- Prox-N
- S.O.D Spray
- Other natural solutions such as vinegars, lotions, etc.

Of these products above or other products, what would you recommend I change in my current cycle?

 

[Jacob]

Just in case...S.O.D is Superoxide Dismutase.

Since you seem to be worried most about shedding..there is Dermatopoietin(the Day 1-4 product)..which seems to have helped for those using it for that purpose. Of course everybody can still "shed" a certain # of hairs per day...although I don't think seeing them all the time..on a daily basis..is good.

 

[otis]

PROPECIA need to be taken every single day to get results.
I am sure you will see a big change if you take it as directed.

 

[hairhoper]

Agree with above. You haven't used the big 2 as directed. Why in the f*** did you never just do:

Rogaine 2x daily
Finasteride 1-1.25mg daily

It is insane you've used all those treatments but never used the 2 proven treatments properly.

 

[smitysmity]

Agree with above. You haven't used the big 2 as directed. Why in the f*ck did you never just do:

Rogaine 2x daily
Finasteride 1-1.25mg daily

It is insane you've used all those treatments but never used the 2 proven treatments properly.

I should have noted that I mentioned the minimum I used was those per day as mentioned above. On a normal basis, I am able to do those as recommended on the bottle.

Just in case...S.O.D is Superoxide Dismutase.

Since you seem to be worried most about shedding..there is Dermatopoietin(the Day 1-4 product)..which seems to have helped for those using it for that purpose. Of course everybody can still "shed" a certain # of hairs per day...although I don't think seeing them all the time..on a daily basis..is good.

Shedding has been the main issue and I would be happy to know that it stopped so I could keep what I have. I will look into those. S.O.D seems an easy route to go so I will look into that today as well.

 

[smitysmity]

Read the link in my signature, for more information on treatments that work.

Read all pages prior to posting.

What would you personally recommend?

 

[Innermind]

Used a Dozen products, no regrowth and still shedding...


Me and you are alike, except I have learned not to waste money on bullshit in order to make myself a human test tube.

For guys like us, with extreme early onset Androgenetic Alopecia (im diffuse Norwood 6, basically bald at this point), all the sh*t your taking won't make a dent in your loss. I'm sorry, but this is reality.

Save your money, and stop giving it to companies that make half *** treatments for the sake of higher profits by draining money from you for as long as possible. I spent two full years on propecia, three on rogaine and nizoral and folligen. Spent thousands of dollars. Even had a hair transplant, from a cocksucker f***** a**h** who calls himself a doctor... His name is Dr. Thomans Wentland of Illinois. Spent thousands on that, and thousands on repair.

Take it from me, your money is spent better elseware. Buzz it no guard or just shave fully. Use the outrageous amount of money your spending and try to grow your wealth with stocks and bonds instead of throwing it away. Better yet, give me your money and I'll do better with it than you are.

Sorry, but this is the truth. I know you won't listen and will try to justify to yourself why your spending ridiculous cash. Good luck.

 

[smitysmity]

Take it from me, your money is spent better elseware. Buzz it no guard or just shave fully. Use the outrageous amount of money your spending and try to grow your wealth with stocks and bonds instead of throwing it away. Better yet, give me your money and I'll do better with it than you are.

Sorry, but this is the truth. I know you won't listen and will try to justify to yourself why your spending ridiculous cash. Good luck.

I understand what you're saying and have already been through the stage that I was going to accept it until I have witnessed and been around people with success stories.

If after a year things aren't turning around, I really don't have a choice but to agree with what you're saying because my hair will be gone to the point I have no other choice but to either shave completely or get hair transplant surgery. Until then, at least I can say that I tried and get that part of my life over with knowing that I did the best I could.

 

[smitysmity]

Read the link in my signature, for more information on treatments that work.

Read all pages prior to posting.

What would you personally recommend?

Bimatoprost and either RU58841 or CB-03-01.

Final questions

1). What about Eucapil (Fluridil)?
2). What about ASC-J9?
3). Would you recommend spironolactone, S.O.D, Dermatopoietin, Flutamide, Alfatradiol?
4). Which one would you prefer RU58841 or CB-03-01?

You have been helpful and giving a lot of people hope with your research. Thank you again!

 

[smitysmity]

Final questions

1). What about Eucapil (Fluridil)?
2). What about ASC-J9?
3). Would you recommend spironolactone, S.O.D, Dermatopoietin, Flutamide, Alfatradiol?
4). Which one would you prefer RU58841 or CB-03-01?

You have been helpful and giving a lot of people hope with your research. Thank you again!

Question 1. Fluridil is something that sounds good, but to be honest, I only know of one guy who got good results from it alone, it's just a weak treatment from my understanding.

Question 2.Personally, I like the idea of ASC-J9 and it is affordable now, but I would still recommend an androgen blocker to be used in conjunction with it.

Question 3. IMO, spironolactone and Alfatradiol are weak and should only be used if you can't afford or access a superior antiandrogen. I think that SOD's are a good addition. I would stay away from Flutimide due to possible liver damage.


Question 4. Currently, I prefer CB due to the fact that it has no systematic side effects, and can yield good results from only two applications per week. I will say that this is according to the Cosmo clinical trials and only time will tell if this works as good as they claim.

My understanding then is you'd recommend

CB0301 and ASC-J9
S.O.D. Spray - Topical Only
Bimatoprost

Which I will need to research to see if I can use all of these in a cycle and if I should use with Spectral DNC and Propecia.

You would not recommend due to either liver damage or simply weaker additions

Eucapil (Fluridil) 50-50, Approved in Europe
spironolactone
Alfatradiol
Dermatopoietin
Flutimide
Prox-N

Any others? I don't really have a budget right now. Like I said, this is my final shot to see some progress either by completely reduced shedding, regrowth, or both. Hoping to do this right and you seem to be arguably the most knowledgeable on the forum so I greatly appreciate your advice.

 

[smitysmity]

If money is not an issue, and you are only seeking the best combination of products, this would be my personal recommendation.

CB-03-01

ASC-J9

SOD's

Minoxidil

Bimatoprost (at least .05%)

Aminexil

copper peptides

Finasteride or Dutasteride

You could try Prox-N and Dermatopoietin if you want to, but I cannot comment on these because it would be pure speculation, on my part; there is simply not enough scientific data on these to draw a conclusion on their efficacy.

I'll focus on those 8 then by adding 4 as I already have Minoxidil, Aminexil, Copper Peptides and Finasteride. Will CB-03-01, ASC-J9, Bimatoprost be hard to find? SOD spray seems the easiest to get.

Will give it 3 months to see progress before adding anymore as I should see reduced shedding by that time frame. Adding more seems redundant for now if those 8 don't work.

Thanks again!

 

[Bukowski]

1). What about Eucapil (Fluridil)?

Forget Fluridil, it does not work. I've tried it for months. I've searched online for reviews as well and out of 100 reviews only 1 was positive. It's a waste of money, don't try it.

 

[smitysmity]

Any other place but KoutingChinaLabs for ASC-J9?

 

[smitysmity]

Finfighter,

The Bimatoprost seems impossible to get at this point especially in 5%. Is there any easier to get ones as this is becoming frustrating just looking for it. I am tempted to just use one of my assistants to help me so I can focus and not get frustrated at looking for this stuff.

 

[1750]

smity.. ease up on the money you're spending on all these products.

many of them are duplications of each other.

Minoxidil
spectral DNC
Min New York

are all minoxidil based products...

try choosing the most complete of each product and consistently using that one only to save on expenses. or use one in the morning and one at night.

There's only so many topicals you can apply...
Definitely concentrate on taking finasteride everyday (unless side effects are present of course)

alliteratively.... shave it all real short.. and spend your money on a gym membership and some personal training sessions.
remember - Jason Statham still rocks the ladies!!

 

[smitysmity]

smity.. ease up on the money you're spending on all these products.

many of them are duplications of each other.

Minoxidil
spectral DNC
Min New York

are all minoxidil based products...

try choosing the most complete of each product and consistently using that one only to save on expenses. or use one in the morning and one at night.

There's only so many topicals you can apply...
Definitely concentrate on taking finasteride everyday (unless side effects are present of course)

alliteratively.... shave it all real short.. and spend your money on a gym membership and some personal training sessions.
remember - Jason Statham still rocks the ladies!!

I did ease up on these.

Rogaine
Spectral DNC
Min New York

All have different inactive ingredients. The one that seems the best long term seems to be Spectral DNC based on that they have better ingredients outside of minoxidil. I will give Spectral 6 months to see at least some results before I up to 15% minoxidil and just try that.

Min New York was a test and a fail. The ingredient smells nice but is way to greasy. Can't wear that outside as it looks worse than just getting out of the shower all together.

Rogaine foam is good for going out with. Thickens the hair, dries easily, and not greasy. I will only use that for when I go out.

 

[1750]

nice smity.
I liked min new york and the way it felt on the scalp.
But yes you're right... can't be seen with that on your head as it applies like hell.
I do like their shampoos although wish they'd take the SLS out of them!

all the best

 

[smitysmity]

If money is not an issue, and you are only seeking the best combination of products, this would be my personal recommendation.

CB-03-01

ASC-J9

SOD's

Minoxidil

Bimatoprost (at least .05%)

Aminexil

copper peptides

Finasteride or Dutasteride

You could try Prox-N and Dermatopoietin if you want to, but I cannot comment on these because it would be pure speculation, on my part; there is simply not enough scientific data on these to draw a conclusion on their efficacy.

finasteride,

Send me a PM with your information.

Also, you recommended

Working On
CB-03-01
ASC-J9
SOD's
Bimatoprost (at least .05%)

Already Using
Aminexil
copper peptides
Finasteride or Dutasteride
Minoxidil

I understand the background with SOD, Bima, and CB, but why exactly do you recommend ASC-JP? There seems to be very little talk about it on this board. Just curious.

 

[smitysmity]

nice smity.
I liked min new york and the way it felt on the scalp.
But yes you're right... can't be seen with that on your head as it applies like hell.
I do like their shampoos although wish they'd take the SLS out of them!

all the best

Min New York is definitely the best smelling minoxidil product I have purchased. However, I only bought Min New York because a few people said it was good for styling your hair which I needed when I went out but they were completely wrong. Besides that, Min New York doesn't contain any additional ingredients that make it better than other minoxidil products such as Spectral DNC, Nanominox-MS and Xandrox all of which seem to have more positive reviews than the typical Rogaine.

 

[Life_sucks]

Question 4. Currently, I prefer CB due to the fact that it has no systematic side effects, and can yield good results from only two applications per week. I will say that this is according to the Cosmo clinical trials and only time will tell if this works as good as they claim.

But CB-03-01 is not available for purchase...

Am I missing something here.