Update to Propecia / Regime Lay Off

extremekicks

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Took a month layoff from Propecia / Rogaine/ nizoral 2%.

My take from this - Little thinning in the temples I built up. Girlfriend says the crown thinned some as well. So i thinned a little bit, no biggie.

My 8=====D are harder could be i was going thru some stress last 2 months, well see.

I also cut my Propecia dose to .5mg. Well see how that goes. Everything else is in full effect.

My next issue - Should I add Xanadrox 15% / Proxiphen / Copper peptides / or Laser Comb? I wanna take my temples to a new level. Being that Im 37 and have been thining since I was 29 hopefully I can recover more in the temples and thinken it up.

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viperfish

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Any of those would be great for ya! I personally am using the lasercomb and having success at my temples (regrowth).
 

rapidfrontal

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I am new to all this as my hairloss is recent, but rapid, and I am curious about this whole lasercomb thing. Does it actually work and if so why has it not been approved by the FDA?
 

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It is currently seeking FDA approval and is approved by the FDA for thickening. The lasercomb has already been approved in Canada and Singapore for regrowth, thickening, etc. We know that it works, as was seen based upon the Dateline special and due to before and after pictures. However, we don't have anything like success percentages and so forth. It is working for me, but there is a chance it may not work for you. It is a chance you take, but I guess you take that chance with any product available for hairloss. Some have better odds than others, like propecia.
 

rapidfrontal

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Speaking of Propecia I know it is always stated that Propecia works for the crown, vertex, anterior, etc, but I always read that there is no proof that it works for the bitempular and hairline areas. Is this because it has not been shown it trials to work on the temples, or, as the product insert states, is it because it wasn't tested on the temples or hairline and therefore there is no evidence that it works of doesn't work on the temples, eventhough it very well may? Has anybody ever heard of a Propecia taker to see new growth in the tempular/hairline areas of the scalp. Or does it just simply not work on the frontal hairline?
 

extremekicks

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With my regime it filled in my temples alot. But then again I always had a constant shed going which played tricks on me and im going thru another one real bad now, either due to the lay off or just my regime...only time will tell
 
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rapidfrontal said:
Speaking of Propecia I know it is always stated that Propecia works for the crown, vertex, anterior, etc, but I always read that there is no proof that it works for the bitempular and hairline areas. Is this because it has not been shown it trials to work on the temples, or, as the product insert states, is it because it wasn't tested on the temples or hairline and therefore there is no evidence that it works of doesn't work on the temples, eventhough it very well may? Has anybody ever heard of a Propecia taker to see new growth in the tempular/hairline areas of the scalp. Or does it just simply not work on the frontal hairline?

This is the case, they never tested Propecia on the hairline. Only on the mid interior scalp and crown. So in effect Propecia could also help the hairline. But you have to have some thinning hair still there for it to work. If your temples are slick bald then forget about trying to grow hair in these areas. It's certainly helped me in all areas.
 

rapidfrontal

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You mean you have seen positive benefits of the Propecia on your temples? If so, how much time did it take for you?
 

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rapidfrontal said:
You mean you have seen positive benefits of the Propecia on your temples? If so, how much time did it take for you?

No I'm not on propecia. I have seen some regrowth from the lasercomb.
 

rapidfrontal

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Welll, I am not using the lasercomb, do you think that is something I should buy, because my temples are the areas of most concern?
 

viperfish

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I can't say for sure if it will work on your hairline. Are you using anything else? Propecia, minoxidil, cu peptides?? I would think that cu peptides and minoxidil also might help you with your hairline. The lasercomb is a bit expensive, around $650 brand new.
 

extremekicks

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You have several options, xanadrox 15% / cu peps / laser comb << not so sure. Below is a email from Dr Lee.

Lee, Hi , its Brian again. I have been on my regime of Rogaine / Propecia / nizoral 2% for 16 months. However I took a break from Propecia for 1 month. I had great results in the summer , but now Im back on all 3 again and only taking .5mg of Propecia. My temples have thinned out again , it may be a shed / regrowth cycle, I dont know. I really want to get the temples kicking up a notch. I have many vellous / small white hairs in that region. I have been deciding to either add the Laser Comb
There's a common maxim that goes, "If something looks too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true." I think this truism is going to apply to the Laser Comb. The mention in TIME magazine recognized the Laser Comb for its novelty, not its utility. I give credit to the manufacturers for having the reserve not to claim any benefits for the treatment of male pattern baldness. The patents obtained for the Laser Comb are for cosmetic improvements to the hair, not the treatment of male pattern baldness. To this end, the Laser Comb may work very well, similar to electrically charged combs for pets. If and when the Laser Comb gets a patent as a therapeutic method to promote hair growth, I'll have to re-evaluate my thinking.


and or Xanadrox 15%

See my comments below.

and a copper pep tide

I'm not aware of any U.S. FDA approval of copper peptide treatments for male pattern baldness. Ironically, copper peptide products had Phase I and Phase II trials, but the product (Tricomin) was withdrawn from further trials, because the results were not encouraging.

Copper peptides have been shown to enhance wound healing and they have been used in surgical patients. Wound healing is not the pathogenesis of male pattern baldness. It is not clear that copper peptides have any benefits in the treatment of male pattern baldness.


or possibly Proxiphen.

I'm not entirely convinced of the efficacy of Proxiphen. It contains a mixture of many medications which have been reported to cause hair growth as a side effect, such as phenytoin, etc. There is 1% minoxidil in Proxiphen as well as some spironolactone and they aren't compatible in the same suspension.


What do you suggest?

Xandrox15 in combination with other topicals.

Apply all Xandrox formulas as instructed under topic heading APPLICATION OF 5% MINOXIDIL AND/OR 5% XANDROX. In the morning, apply 1 mL of 5% Xandrox to all affected areas. In the evening before bed time, but at least 8 hours later, apply 1 mL of Xandrox15 to the same affected areas. This is one of the more aggressive regimens meant to help reverse loss in the difficult to treat frontal and temple areas. See WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM TREATMENT below.

Allow 4 to 6 months of consistent use to see a positive response.

If you find that after 6 months or more of consistent treatment that you would like to enhance your results, then you might consider augmenting your treatment with 5% Spironolactone Lotion. 10 minutes after the evening application of Xandrox15, apply a thin film of 5% spironolactone. Leave both formulas on all night. As with any topical medication, only those molecules of the medication directly adjacent to the skin are absorbed. So, it's a waste to apply 'a thick goop' to the scalp. A thin film of 5% spironolactone lotion is sufficient to decrease DHT in the scalp and to block the androgen receptor sites.

For your reading enjoyment, I have attached an article refuting over 50 myths related to hair loss that the forums have been so kind to unwittingly perpetrate and perpetuate.

Best wishes,

Richard Lee, M.D.
 
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