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I normally don't have time to post on all three HLH, HS and HairLossTalk.com, because of the hassle, but this time I will because I have friends who go to each.
I spoke to WSMR today and here is the latest.
There was no attempt to deny any of the info in the Rocky Mountain News article and basically I think we are wasting our time if we try to rationalize away the past of some of the primaries involved in WSMR. It is what it is. Some will completely stay away from anything that company comes out with, and that is their choice -- they may some day be happy for it -- we'll all have to see.
However, regarding the PEZ, I am supposed to be getting a supply this week and starting the unofficial trial, along with the guys I mail it to. Unlike the last trial, I made sure we WILL be able to tell of our results DURING the trial instead of having any kind of gag order until a certain date (last time it was March 1, I believe).
So as often as we want, we can tell you guys what is going on, and I will do so at least weekly -- I can't speak for the others. Yes, I'm moving forward despite the bad news in the article JTR posted.
Before and after pictures will be posted as well, although I personally asked if my "before" pictures not be posted until the "after" pictures are ready because frankly I HATE the way my hair loss looks and don't want it plastered on the Net in case I get NO results. It's bad enough to have to look at it in the mirror without having it online for others to gawk at.
People can do what they want, say what they want, conclude what they want, or debate what they want, but I for one just want to see if I can get anything CLOSE to what we saw in those photos.
I also found out something else about the peptide: I was incorrect in stating that it puts the follicle into anagen phase permanently (while treatment is continued). This is not what happens. The follicle WILL cycle, according to them, and here is the email I got in response to that question (ellipses are NOT added):
------------------------------------------------------------
"Hello Trey,
The peptide does not keep the follicles in anagen all the time..it just
allows them to enter a normal cycle...and as you can easily see....the
hairs
emerge from the scalp as vellus hairs..it does take several weeks
(8-12) to
become terminal..but they do pigment and become terminal...they enter a
normal cycle and there is normal fall out ...though the typical 90%
remain
in anagen and strong anagen....
--------------------------------------------------------------
There is an official trial that started last Friday with a company that is showing interest in the peptide. Those trialists are under the typical parameters for treatment trialists. We four, however, are obviously not. Foolish on our part? Possibly. But I'm sick and tired of losing hair and wondering if I could possibly get results like we saw in those photos. I'll take the risk and ask no one else to. I just want to put this whole WSMR thing to rest once and all for myself. I know for some it is already dead and gone, but I'm going to try it.
I also asked them about what happens to the guys they had who shelled out $500 for the stuff in the past -- will they get the stronger PEZ now? and they said they are already getting it. If ANYONE on these boards paid any money to WSMR for previous versions of this peptide you should have already been contacted by them to get on the newer stuff -- one longtime regular who is very trusted by these boards is in this position. I'll let HIM decide if he wants to come forward. He came to me last year to see if he could get some. I told him that he should at LEAST wait and see if I get any results for FREE before spending any money. He said for him it was worth the risk, and went ahead and went for it. From what I know, I think he didn't get any results, but is now getting the new, stronger stuff and is, like me, hoping for the best.
If ANYONE has felt that they have been ripped off by WSMR in any way, I want them to post that here, because I would be very interested in learning about it, obviously.
Now, regarding all of this that is going on between the different hair loss boards, I want to say something:
I have dealt with Kevin (HairLossTalk.com), David (HS), and Farrel (HLH) and I must say that I have NEVER had a problem with any of them, nor have I found any of them to be sleazy or trying to pull anything over on anyone. When I first started posting to alt.baldspot I thought Farrel and Kevin were buddies and was shocked when I found out they didn't get along. Now I see more friction between the boards. I don't get it. Farrel and I had a conversation on the phone last year and he expressed serious concerns about WSMR. Frankly he made some good points and there were things that I couldn't answer. But I accepted his point of view and thought him to be a rational, reasonable person. Kevin also comes across to me like a guy who is honest and just wanting to run his site to help guys who are losing their hair. And of course David has always been very helpful and above-board. I really would love to see ALL hair loss web sites shut down in the near future because of a LACK OF NEED (right everyone? -- I'm sure those three guys would agree since the only way that will happen is if we have a REAL treatment/cure for this mess we are in).
Bottom line:
--Me and the other three will soon be starting our trials again and can freely talk about our experience AS WE GO.
--One of the four of us has actually developed a closer relationship with WSMR than me and has delved even deeper into the science behind it all, which has convince him even more that this has great potential, even though the "background" of some people there is obviously a problem. By the way, one of the reasons I have not written off PEZ is because of this guy, (one of us four) who has spent YEARS running down every lead possible with a passion that surpasses mine and with more scientific knowledge than me. If you saw the list of people he's traveled to meet with you would all be impressed. He helped me get in touch with Bazan a couple of years ago when I was going to be a trialist there. Since then Bazan has proven disappointing and also this PEZ came into the picture.
--Our before and after pictures will be posted if we see any results. If this thing is a bust, though, my pictures are not going anywhere for personal reasons.
--I'm not going to be dragged into ANY debates about being a plant of WSMR, which is completely laughable by anyone who has been around these boards for the 3+ years that I've been around here. None of us had even HEARD of WSMR until last year. Exerting just a tiny bit of energy looking up past posts will testify to that, as will any conversation with Kevin, David or Farrel (as well as any one of a hundred of the regulars in this arena). I have more to do than debate PEZ with anyone. My mind will be made up based on this trial.
--I'm hoping for SOMETHING, despite all of the negative publicity this has received from the beginning.
--RESULTS from the four of us will by no means PROVE to the skeptics that this stuff works. But for myself, I'm eager to see. However, a LACK of results would obviously be a bad sign. Listen, though, if I get results, I'll be so happy that it wouldn't matter to me if every last poster on all the boards doubted my results, for quite obvious reasons -- I'd feel great about my results.
--Anyone who HAS paid thus far needs to stay on top of this and let all of us know how you have been treated and what is being done about it. I know there were guys who paid last year and I want to know what became of them (besides the regular I mentioned earlier in this post).
I want to thank those of you who have posted positive things about me as a person, because despite the semi-anonymity we have here, it is nice to know that honesty is recognized. As for those of you who throw suspicions upon me, pants, or the other two, in every case it's been a newbie, so for you I can understand the suspicions; after all we've all had hopes dashed in the past and so we get used to scammers posting great claims and then disappearing; notice, though, that last time, we clearly stated that the Flex did NOTHING; you have my word that we will be as honest this time around. I have no anger toward those who want to attack. I just want hair back.
God bless and no matter what comes of this latest trial, let's keep pushing forward for a treatment that will get us some results (TB4 and PS1 do look promising); I think peptides will definitely play a role in our future, whether it is PEZ or not. I guess we'll find out soon enough....
Talk to you all later,
Trey
Proverbs 13:12
I spoke to WSMR today and here is the latest.
There was no attempt to deny any of the info in the Rocky Mountain News article and basically I think we are wasting our time if we try to rationalize away the past of some of the primaries involved in WSMR. It is what it is. Some will completely stay away from anything that company comes out with, and that is their choice -- they may some day be happy for it -- we'll all have to see.
However, regarding the PEZ, I am supposed to be getting a supply this week and starting the unofficial trial, along with the guys I mail it to. Unlike the last trial, I made sure we WILL be able to tell of our results DURING the trial instead of having any kind of gag order until a certain date (last time it was March 1, I believe).
So as often as we want, we can tell you guys what is going on, and I will do so at least weekly -- I can't speak for the others. Yes, I'm moving forward despite the bad news in the article JTR posted.
Before and after pictures will be posted as well, although I personally asked if my "before" pictures not be posted until the "after" pictures are ready because frankly I HATE the way my hair loss looks and don't want it plastered on the Net in case I get NO results. It's bad enough to have to look at it in the mirror without having it online for others to gawk at.
People can do what they want, say what they want, conclude what they want, or debate what they want, but I for one just want to see if I can get anything CLOSE to what we saw in those photos.
I also found out something else about the peptide: I was incorrect in stating that it puts the follicle into anagen phase permanently (while treatment is continued). This is not what happens. The follicle WILL cycle, according to them, and here is the email I got in response to that question (ellipses are NOT added):
------------------------------------------------------------
"Hello Trey,
The peptide does not keep the follicles in anagen all the time..it just
allows them to enter a normal cycle...and as you can easily see....the
hairs
emerge from the scalp as vellus hairs..it does take several weeks
(8-12) to
become terminal..but they do pigment and become terminal...they enter a
normal cycle and there is normal fall out ...though the typical 90%
remain
in anagen and strong anagen....
--------------------------------------------------------------
There is an official trial that started last Friday with a company that is showing interest in the peptide. Those trialists are under the typical parameters for treatment trialists. We four, however, are obviously not. Foolish on our part? Possibly. But I'm sick and tired of losing hair and wondering if I could possibly get results like we saw in those photos. I'll take the risk and ask no one else to. I just want to put this whole WSMR thing to rest once and all for myself. I know for some it is already dead and gone, but I'm going to try it.
I also asked them about what happens to the guys they had who shelled out $500 for the stuff in the past -- will they get the stronger PEZ now? and they said they are already getting it. If ANYONE on these boards paid any money to WSMR for previous versions of this peptide you should have already been contacted by them to get on the newer stuff -- one longtime regular who is very trusted by these boards is in this position. I'll let HIM decide if he wants to come forward. He came to me last year to see if he could get some. I told him that he should at LEAST wait and see if I get any results for FREE before spending any money. He said for him it was worth the risk, and went ahead and went for it. From what I know, I think he didn't get any results, but is now getting the new, stronger stuff and is, like me, hoping for the best.
If ANYONE has felt that they have been ripped off by WSMR in any way, I want them to post that here, because I would be very interested in learning about it, obviously.
Now, regarding all of this that is going on between the different hair loss boards, I want to say something:
I have dealt with Kevin (HairLossTalk.com), David (HS), and Farrel (HLH) and I must say that I have NEVER had a problem with any of them, nor have I found any of them to be sleazy or trying to pull anything over on anyone. When I first started posting to alt.baldspot I thought Farrel and Kevin were buddies and was shocked when I found out they didn't get along. Now I see more friction between the boards. I don't get it. Farrel and I had a conversation on the phone last year and he expressed serious concerns about WSMR. Frankly he made some good points and there were things that I couldn't answer. But I accepted his point of view and thought him to be a rational, reasonable person. Kevin also comes across to me like a guy who is honest and just wanting to run his site to help guys who are losing their hair. And of course David has always been very helpful and above-board. I really would love to see ALL hair loss web sites shut down in the near future because of a LACK OF NEED (right everyone? -- I'm sure those three guys would agree since the only way that will happen is if we have a REAL treatment/cure for this mess we are in).
Bottom line:
--Me and the other three will soon be starting our trials again and can freely talk about our experience AS WE GO.
--One of the four of us has actually developed a closer relationship with WSMR than me and has delved even deeper into the science behind it all, which has convince him even more that this has great potential, even though the "background" of some people there is obviously a problem. By the way, one of the reasons I have not written off PEZ is because of this guy, (one of us four) who has spent YEARS running down every lead possible with a passion that surpasses mine and with more scientific knowledge than me. If you saw the list of people he's traveled to meet with you would all be impressed. He helped me get in touch with Bazan a couple of years ago when I was going to be a trialist there. Since then Bazan has proven disappointing and also this PEZ came into the picture.
--Our before and after pictures will be posted if we see any results. If this thing is a bust, though, my pictures are not going anywhere for personal reasons.
--I'm not going to be dragged into ANY debates about being a plant of WSMR, which is completely laughable by anyone who has been around these boards for the 3+ years that I've been around here. None of us had even HEARD of WSMR until last year. Exerting just a tiny bit of energy looking up past posts will testify to that, as will any conversation with Kevin, David or Farrel (as well as any one of a hundred of the regulars in this arena). I have more to do than debate PEZ with anyone. My mind will be made up based on this trial.
--I'm hoping for SOMETHING, despite all of the negative publicity this has received from the beginning.
--RESULTS from the four of us will by no means PROVE to the skeptics that this stuff works. But for myself, I'm eager to see. However, a LACK of results would obviously be a bad sign. Listen, though, if I get results, I'll be so happy that it wouldn't matter to me if every last poster on all the boards doubted my results, for quite obvious reasons -- I'd feel great about my results.
--Anyone who HAS paid thus far needs to stay on top of this and let all of us know how you have been treated and what is being done about it. I know there were guys who paid last year and I want to know what became of them (besides the regular I mentioned earlier in this post).
I want to thank those of you who have posted positive things about me as a person, because despite the semi-anonymity we have here, it is nice to know that honesty is recognized. As for those of you who throw suspicions upon me, pants, or the other two, in every case it's been a newbie, so for you I can understand the suspicions; after all we've all had hopes dashed in the past and so we get used to scammers posting great claims and then disappearing; notice, though, that last time, we clearly stated that the Flex did NOTHING; you have my word that we will be as honest this time around. I have no anger toward those who want to attack. I just want hair back.
God bless and no matter what comes of this latest trial, let's keep pushing forward for a treatment that will get us some results (TB4 and PS1 do look promising); I think peptides will definitely play a role in our future, whether it is PEZ or not. I guess we'll find out soon enough....
Talk to you all later,
Trey
Proverbs 13:12