Type of Copper used in Copper Formulas?

[$tackz]

What type of copper used in sprays like "Folligen" or "Tricomin"?

and wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to make your own generic version?

 

[jakeb]

Copper peptides are good, large amounts of free copper are very bad. I wouldn't try to DIY it. No one is in their kitchen trying to make up a batch of finasteride.

 

[$tackz]

Copper peptides are good, large amounts of free copper are very bad. I wouldn't try to DIY it. No one is in their kitchen trying to make up a batch of finasteride.

the difference between trying to synthesize the finasteride molecule in your kitchen and simply mixing your own copper peptide spray is SO large that I am not going to signify your post with a valid, dignifying, well thought-out response.

good day sir. :salut:

 

[Bryan]

What type of copper used in sprays like "Folligen" or "Tricomin"?

What do you mean, "what type of copper"?

and wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to make your own generic version?

Attempting to make your own version of the copper-peptide used in Tricomin would be just as tricky as trying to synthesize the finasteride molecule.

While making the kinds of copper-peptides found in Folligen would be far more amenable to do-it-yourselfers, why go to all that hassle just to save a few pennies? Don't be "penny-wise and pound-foolish"!

 

[Cassin]

Don't be "penny-wise and pound-foolish"!

:bravo:

 

[$tackz]

What type of copper used in sprays like "Folligen" or "Tricomin"?

What do you mean, "what type of copper"?

There's more than one coPper peptide mr. 'i read alot of online studies'.

http://www.qdbd.com/hair_loss_treatment_102.htm

Are u sayin the info found on that page is not effective?

 

[Bryan]

[quote="$tackz":1yuqkbgs]What type of copper used in sprays like "Folligen" or "Tricomin"?

What do you mean, "what type of copper"?

There's more than one coPper peptide mr. 'i read alot of online studies'.[/quote:1yuqkbgs]

Yes, there's an infinite number of possible copper compounds, Mr. 'I like to ask ambiguous questions', but you still haven't answered my question. Are you asking what specific copper compounds are used in the starting manufacturing processes for both Tricomin and Folligen (what on earth would THAT have to do with anything?), or are you asking what specific chemical form the copper is in by the time it's already IN the Tricomin and Folligen? You need to be FAR more precise when you ask a question like that.

http://www.qdbd.com/hair_loss_treatment_102.htm

Are u sayin the info found on that page is not effective?

I've already discussed that article in the past. I find it to be misleading, and it may be DANGEROUSLY misleading. I wouldn't take it seriously, if I were you, and I certainly wouldn't assume that the guy who wrote that knows what he's talking about.

 

[$tackz]

What do you mean, "what type of copper"?

There's more than one coPper peptide mr. 'i read alot of online studies'.

Yes, there's an infinite number of possible copper compounds, Mr. 'I like to ask ambiguous questions', but you still haven't answered my question. Are you asking what specific copper compounds are used in the starting manufacturing processes for both Tricomin and Folligen (what on earth would THAT have to do with anything?), or are you asking what specific chemical form the copper is in by the time it's already IN the Tricomin and Folligen? You need to be FAR more precise when you ask a question like that.

[quote="$tackz":3igd4o1o]http://www.qdbd.com/hair_loss_treatment_102.htm

Are u sayin the info found on that page is not effective?

I've already discussed that article in the past. I find it to be misleading, and it may be DANGEROUSLY misleading. I wouldn't take it seriously, if I were you, and I certainly wouldn't assume that the guy who wrote that knows what he's talking about.[/quote:3igd4o1o]
I forgot you're so intelligent compared to everyone else on this forum I should've been more specific, silly me.. But wait, You know EXACTLY what I mean, so why is there a need to be specific? Do you ask me these questions to further confirm your know-it-all "in your face" attitude? Are you assuming the majority of this forum is are scientific genius' and would even care to ask what the specific copper compounds used in the manufacturing process is? No.. you don't assume that, you just want to further assert how many more studies you read compared to everyone else on the forum. Why is hairlosstalk your biggest outlet for the misinformation you spew here on a daily basis? Why doesn't Joe Zix know what he is talking about? He's created a successful all-natural product that has a higher ratio of success to failure stories than even compared to something like Propecia... simply by reading various studies like yourself. Yet he doesn't know what he's talking about... but you do.

I really don't understand your logic here.

 

[Bryan]

I forgot you're so intelligent compared to everyone else on this forum I should've been more specific, silly me.. But wait, You know EXACTLY what I mean, so why is there a need to be specific? Do you ask me these questions to further confirm your know-it-all "in your face" attitude? Are you assuming the majority of this forum is are scientific genius' and would even care to ask what the specific copper compounds used in the manufacturing process is? No.. you don't assume that, you just want to further assert how many more studies you read compared to everyone else on the forum. Why is hairlosstalk your biggest outlet for the misinformation you spew here on a daily basis?

Read my lips: I do NOT know what you mean. Why don't you simply answer my request for clarification, instead of trying to be as obnoxious as possible?

Why doesn't Joe Zix know what he is talking about?

Is Joe (of zix fame) really the one who wrote that article?

 

[JWM]

Read my lips: I do NOT know what you mean. Why don't you simply answer my request for clarification, instead of trying to be as obnoxious as possible?

:jump:

 

[$tackz]

Damnit, I obviously want to know what kind of copper peptide I can mix to make an effective formula for your hair, as if you didn't know that. Why in the world would I care what form their copper is in when they start the manufacturing process but doesn't stay that way.

And yes that is obviously Joe's (maker of Zix) famous site where users get instructions on how to make the breakthrough miracle product, "Zix". Why do you feel that page is dangerously misleading? Per his advice, he says to use copper chloride anhydrous II. Obviously you would know this is otherwise known as "Cupric Chloride" and it has a chemical formula of CuCl2. Do you think Joe is incorrect in recommending this and that it would NOT be effective for your hair?

 

[Bryan]

Damnit, I obviously want to know what kind of copper peptide I can mix to make an effective formula for your hair, as if you didn't know that. Why in the world would I care what form their copper is in when they start the manufacturing process but doesn't stay that way.

Before, you asked in plain English what kind of COPPER to use (a strange question if there ever was one), and now you're asking what kind of COPPER PEPTIDE you can mix for your hair.

To answer your question in as simple and direct a manner as possible, there's only ONE kind of copper-peptide that you have any chance at all of making in your kitchen, and that's the kind of random copper-peptides that Dr. Pickart uses in Folligen. Nobody can identify them any more precisely than that, because all he does (and all YOU can do) is hydrolyze some kind of protein (I think Dr. Pickart uses soy protein) down into individual amino acids and small protein fragments (dipeptides, tripeptides, etc.). Then he reacts a simple copper salt (probably copper chloride) with the hydrolyzed protein, resulting in an ENORMOUS variety of random copper-peptides (copper atoms reacted with individual amino acids, dipeptides, and tripeptides). Is that what you wanted to know?

And yes that is obviously Joe's (maker of Zix) famous site where users get instructions on how to make the breakthrough miracle product, "Zix". Why do you feel that page is dangerously misleading? Per his advice, he says to use copper chloride anhydrous II. Obviously you would know this is otherwise known as "Cupric Chloride" and it has a chemical formula of CuCl2. Do you think Joe is incorrect in recommending this and that it would NOT be effective for your hair?

I think Joe makes a big mistake by not really understanding that you need to use HYDROLYZED protein, just like Dr. Pickart explains. I'm pretty sure the large protein molecules need to be broken down into small peptides before it can be reacted properly with the copper salt. If you don't do that, there will probably be large quantities of the un-reacted copper salt still in the solution, and that would be extremely undesirable. Copper ions are very corrosive and dangerous. Do NOT apply significant quantities of naked copper ions to your scalp or skin.

 

[amsch]

Damnit, I obviously want to know what kind of copper peptide I can mix to make an effective formula for your hair, as if you didn't know that. Why in the world would I care what form their copper is in when they start the manufacturing process but doesn't stay that way.

Before, you asked in plain English what kind of COPPER to use (a strange question if there ever was one), and now you're asking what kind of COPPER PEPTIDE you can mix for your hair.

You really want to tell us that you didn't understand that he was meaning the copper peptide already in his first post?

 

[Cassin]

Damnit, I obviously want to know what kind of copper peptide I can mix to make an effective formula for your hair, as if you didn't know that. Why in the world would I care what form their copper is in when they start the manufacturing process but doesn't stay that way.

Before, you asked in plain English what kind of COPPER to use (a strange question if there ever was one), and now you're asking what kind of COPPER PEPTIDE you can mix for your hair.

You really want to tell us that you didn't understand that he was meaning the copper peptide already in his first post?

people piss in cups and dump it on their head to try to combat hair loss.

I take people very literally when they ask questions.

 

[amsch]

I take people very literally when they ask questions.

Yeah, but after years of hair loss-boards you should be a little more flexible when it comes to those beginner questions, like starting with "I think with "which kind of copper" you mean which kind of "copper peptide", am I right?". At least in those obvious cases.

 

[Cassin]

I take people very literally when they ask questions.

Yeah, but after years of hair loss-boards you should be a little more flexible when it comes to those beginner questions, like starting with "I think with "which kind of copper" you mean which kind of "copper peptide", am I right?". At least in those obvious cases.

No you're not right.

If you're asking how to make home made treatments you have most likely gone through the rogaine and propecia high school.

 

[amsch]

I take people very literally when they ask questions.

Yeah, but after years of hair loss-boards you should be a little more flexible when it comes to those beginner questions, like starting with "I think with "which kind of copper" you mean which kind of "copper peptide", am I right?". At least in those obvious cases.

No you're not right.

If you're asking how to make home made treatments you have most likely gone through the rogaine and propecia high school.

The "am I right" part was still part of the quote xD

However, whatever. :gay2:

 

[Cassin]

However, whatever. :gay2:

hah...fair enough

 

[amsch]

However, whatever. :gay2:

hah...fair enough

^_^

 

[Bryan]

Damnit, I obviously want to know what kind of copper peptide I can mix to make an effective formula for your hair, as if you didn't know that. Why in the world would I care what form their copper is in when they start the manufacturing process but doesn't stay that way.

Before, you asked in plain English what kind of COPPER to use (a strange question if there ever was one), and now you're asking what kind of COPPER PEPTIDE you can mix for your hair.

You really want to tell us that you didn't understand that he was meaning the copper peptide already in his first post?

That's correct. I didn't understand what he meant. By the way, even if he had specified from the start that he was referring to copper-peptides, I _still_ wouldn't have understood for sure what he was asking about, for the reasons I've already explained.