Topicals for the poor! What I'm using now..

Rage

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I guess this a bit of a follow on from http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... hp?t=28999 and i've tweaked my routine a bit, I think this is one I can finally live with!

Self Made Topicals:

Minoxidil 5% 60ml-
7.5mg finasteride (1.5 x proscar tablet)
200mg caffeine (2 x no-doz tablet)

Bourbon 60ml-
600mg procyanidins (8 x Grape Seed Forte 12000mg)
200mg zinc (with b6, 8 x tablet)

Schedule:
Morning-
Minoxidil mix
sealed with Folligen

Afternoon-
5% spironolactone (sparingly! not much left..)

Night-
Minoxidil mix
Bourbon mix
sealed with 20% Azelaic Acid acne cream

The caffeine seems to quite promising to counter-act the effect of testosterone (seeing how it's been shown to kill!), and it's cheap to add and I've managed to dissolve it into minoxidil (some floating filler aside). The folligen is cheap and lasts a life time, whether it has the correct "peptides", who knows. It's cheap!

Sprio I'm using because I still have some left. I ditched it for a while because I thought it wasn't doing a thing after I quit finastered, but it's quite possible that it is simply not very strong. Evidence is surfacing that it upregulates estrogen as well as being an androgen blocker.. probably wasn't a good idea to take this one alone with just minoxidil a few months back.

Bourbon has been shown to contain some "phytoestrogens", but its just a bonus if it actually does anything - its just a dissolving base! The procyanidins seem to be promising, and the tablets dissolved well into the bourbon. The zinc is there for the hell of it! Shown in vitro to work.. bonus if it actually does. Finally, sealed in with some Azelaic acid..

While this obsession with sealing things in? Apparently finasteride takes some time to bind to 5ar, so you'll want to slow the absorption of the minoxidil mixture as much as possible. Extra bonus if they do anything!

You must let the minoxidil dry slightly (5minutes) at night before adding the bourbon mixture, because the garpe seed extract will bind and inactivate caffeine. Also, I can't be sure whether other chemicals are somehow reacting to each other.. but I'm going to take my chances!
 

CCS

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grape seed binds with caffine? Now i'm worried what else grape seed and green tea and apply poly will bind to. i don't want 10 different topicals. I just want 4 per day or less. now I'm worried.
 
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rage,

so are you saying that 200 mg of caffeine a day will counter the effects of testosterone on the follicles?

i found no-doz tablets at drugstore.com but each one is 200 mg. i guess you are taking regular strength. do you think 200 mg a day is enough to counter effects of testosterone?
 

Rage

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collegechemisrystudent:

They do bind I believe, but each component has been shown to work, but this has only been studied when it has been eaten. The complex may only be broken when its digested, and since we're taking it topically, better to leave them seperate.

JayMan:
Its 200mg PER 60ml of minoxidil .. making it about 6mg a day. This is close to what the researchers used (0.1% or something), and we're not washing it out either. Over excite cells, and they die! And you don't want to get high on the stuff, it penetrates the skin quite readily. [/url]
 
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