Topical finasteride + oral creatine!

[andy7]

Hi all,

So this is directed to those who get sides from finasteride. Topical finasteride can work well, and if you get sides still, have low dose oral creatine - this will raise dht levels in your body, while the topical finasteride will reduce the dht on your scalp.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Note that this is conjectured off a single paper and not tested.

It may be that finasteride's 70% inhibition of DHT is severely saturated and thus overwhelms the creatine.
It may also be that the creatine study was bogus.

 

[andy7]

The creatine study is not bogus:

http://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/Abstract/2009/09000/Three_Weeks_of_Creatine_Monohydrate.9.aspx

 

[mpbsux20]

God knows what else those Rugby players were on.

 

[andy7]

I tried creatine, its pretty good at the gym. If my hair is going to go so be it, creatine is good stuff for training!

 

[mpbsux20]

The only supplement that actually works. All the rest other than Whey Protons are a scam.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

The only supplement that actually works. All the rest other than Whey Protons are a scam.

Whey protein isn't a scam, it's just a dairy product and it's backed by a lot of research.

 

[mpbsux20]

Whey protein isn't a scam, it's just a dairy product and it's backed by a lot of research.

Yes a very easy way to meet your daily protein requirements. I don't have the time to cook 40 eggs or get clean sources of protein throughout. Whey certainly makes it easier and truth be told, it does exactly what it is supposed to do i.e. provide you with protons in case you don't get enough from your diet.

 

[Iopu]

Creatine doesn't work for me in the gym. I've cycled it near 10 times. Never really noticed it do much.

 

[andy7]

Creatine doesn't work for me in the gym. I've cycled it near 10 times. Never really noticed it do much.

Try taking it with Glutamine 30 mins before workout. Also its only good for strength training - doesn't do much for cardio.

 

[jd_uk]

Finasteride absorbs through the skin. Pregnant women can't even touch it - think about that. Topical finasteride is f'n pointless. No better off than taking it orally and in addition to this you need to be careful about who comes into contact with your head, bedding/pillowcases etc.

 

[andy7]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26636418

 

[jd_uk]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26636418

This isn't clear to me. "Change from baseline in scalp DHT was -70% for P-3074 o.d. and approx. -50% for P-3074 b.i.d. and the tablet. Serum DHT decreased by 60 - 70%. "

That appears to be saying that the topical and tablet both lowered serum levels by the same amount? Is it stating that a less concentrated topical solution didn't lower serum DHT by as much? Is the full study available?

My point regarding the possible dangers of having finasteride externally on your body still stand regardless.

 

[andy7]

This isn't clear to me. "Change from baseline in scalp DHT was -70% for P-3074 o.d. and approx. -50% for P-3074 b.i.d. and the tablet. Serum DHT decreased by 60 - 70%. "

That appears to be saying that the topical and tablet both lowered serum levels by the same amount? Is it stating that a less concentrated topical solution didn't lower serum DHT by as much? Is the full study available?

My point regarding the possible dangers of having finasteride externally on your body still stand regardless.

Bottom line of the study is that it recommends about half a finasteride pill be topically applied (0.455mg to be exact). This will reduce scalp DHT by about 52%, but serum DHT by 26%, which can help avoid side effects.

In regards to your concerns Re: wearing off on pillows etc. You can topically apply in morning, not night. If you are still worried, wash hair at night to make double sure.

 

[Tottenham]

Try taking it with Glutamine 30 mins before workout. Also its only good for strength training - doesn't do much for cardio.

Doesn't matter what time you take creatine, nor is it necessary to cycle it. 5g a day.

i personally cut it out after starting hair loss treatment.

 

[andy7]

I take a light dose everyday, 1-2grams. It does have an effect for me. I think my body is very sensitive to it, because at 5grams a day I would gets spots everywhere!