Theoretically?
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zak84 said:
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I would think you would lose at least some of them. For example, if you grew some extra body hair from minoxidil, then stopping minoxidil would cause those to fall out, whether you were on propecia or not.
And all that of course assumes that you will respond to propecia. I was a good responder to minoxidil, and a total non-responder to propecia. In summary, if minoxidil is working for you, don't mess with it.
I would think you would lose at least some of them. For example, if you grew some extra body hair from minoxidil, then stopping minoxidil would cause those to fall out, whether you were on propecia or not.
And all that of course assumes that you will respond to propecia. I was a good responder to minoxidil, and a total non-responder to propecia. In summary, if minoxidil is working for you, don't mess with it.
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zak84 said:
The hair regrown while on minoxidil will be minoxidil-dependent hair, not propecia-dependent hair. You stop the minoxidil but stay on propecia, you keep only the propecia-dependent hair. Although propecia and minoxidil work well in combination, they work independently of one another.
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minoxidil is like a steroid that forces your hair follicle that is weak or has stopped growing hair to produce hair.
Propecia is a drug that combats a reason why your hair follicles weaken or stop producing hairs.
Where propecia is preemptive, minoxidil is reactionary. Therefore when a follicle stops receiving minoxidil or adjusts to it, it is not forced to grown any longer. Propecia will not save these hairs as they are already affected by DHT, and are just being forced to grow by minoxidil.
Propecia is a drug that combats a reason why your hair follicles weaken or stop producing hairs.
Where propecia is preemptive, minoxidil is reactionary. Therefore when a follicle stops receiving minoxidil or adjusts to it, it is not forced to grown any longer. Propecia will not save these hairs as they are already affected by DHT, and are just being forced to grow by minoxidil.
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minoxidil helps re-attach follicle vein to the follicle, once it's re-attached, there's no reason why propecia shouldn't keep it in there by not letting DHT back in, I see no reason why it would become minoxidil dependant and I know it's said to do that. I want to know why that happens.
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zak84 said:
Minoxidil does not affect DHT levels at all. Minoxidil works despite the presence of DHT. So eliminating DHT won't save minoxidil-dependent hairs. Those hairs regrow because of the minoxidil, not because you have lowered your DHT levels. We are talking about two totally different mechanisms here.
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hair mchair said:
hrmm, i didnt say any of that
dht is the reason why your vein disconnects from your follicle, minoxidil helps that vein reattach to your follicle, i dont see the reason why it would fall out again other than the fact dht makes it fall out
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zak84 said:
Er...
I could be completely wrong here, but that theory sounds like it has no basis in reality. What makes you think that DHT disconnects your vein from your follicle, and that minoxidil reattaches the vein? Do you have a source on this? Like I said, I could be wrong, but this does not sound like the case at all.
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hello tranzept, after going to a hairloss specialist, he told me many things, two of which were very important to my understanding of hairloss, he told me that each follicle of hair has its own vein, whenever that vein closes off from the follicle the hair bulb is dead (which causes the hair to fall out), meaning its chance of being regrown are extremely slim, now the hair itself can be lost without the bulb dying, the reason being, the hair bulb, even if blood vein closes off, can still get what it needs from surrounding veins from other follicles
this translates to this, the more hair you have around "balding spots" gives you more of a chance to have regrowth (because the bulbs arent dead) ie the top of your head, the problem is, your forhead doesnt have hair surrounding it, making it alot more troublesome to regrow hair
at the end of my visit, he explained to me that hairloss requires patience and ultimately dont expect too much from your hairloss products, he told me there was a chance of regrowth although the more regrowth you expect the less likely you will acheive that, he said that you should be expect to stop your hairloss and keep what you've already got, anything extra you should consider a bonus
also, about minoxidil, obviously if you use minoxidil and propecia thats much better than using propecia by itself (because they fight hairloss in two seperate ways) but you have to take them both for life, and its much easier to take a pill for life than whipe chemicals in your hair two times a day which gives you scalp pains and itching, being 19 myself i say, take propecia and use nizoral and by the time you turn 29 hair cloning will be on the market and you will have saved yourself alot of agony
this translates to this, the more hair you have around "balding spots" gives you more of a chance to have regrowth (because the bulbs arent dead) ie the top of your head, the problem is, your forhead doesnt have hair surrounding it, making it alot more troublesome to regrow hair
at the end of my visit, he explained to me that hairloss requires patience and ultimately dont expect too much from your hairloss products, he told me there was a chance of regrowth although the more regrowth you expect the less likely you will acheive that, he said that you should be expect to stop your hairloss and keep what you've already got, anything extra you should consider a bonus
also, about minoxidil, obviously if you use minoxidil and propecia thats much better than using propecia by itself (because they fight hairloss in two seperate ways) but you have to take them both for life, and its much easier to take a pill for life than whipe chemicals in your hair two times a day which gives you scalp pains and itching, being 19 myself i say, take propecia and use nizoral and by the time you turn 29 hair cloning will be on the market and you will have saved yourself alot of agony
Propecia stops further production of DHT. But the minoxidil grown hair follicles are already bound with DHT.
Probably an anti andrigen like spironolactone may help here. It deattaches DHT from the receptor cells and have the hair grow.
Just my thought, but could be wrong
Probably an anti andrigen like spironolactone may help here. It deattaches DHT from the receptor cells and have the hair grow.
Just my thought, but could be wrong
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Thanks for the info zak. I'll have to look into that. I have my doubts though. This just doesn't sound right to me.
minoxidil vs. finasteride
Nobody is sure quite why minoxidil causes hair growth, but it is thought to increase the lenth of the growth phase of the hair cycle.
Finasteride lowers the production of the androgenic steroid DHT, which is thought to be the most important hormone driving the process of hair miniaturization that is characteristic of male pattern baldness.
So, minoxidil promotes growth, finasteride prevents loss.
Interestingly, finasteride can also promote growth to a limited extent. It appears some hair follicles can recover from the miniaturization process once it has been inhibited.
Given this fact, you might notice better-looking hair if you quit minoxidil and start finasteride, but as they work through different mechanisms, you're likely to still experience a lot of the shedding that post-minoxidil users see. You can't expect to, and very likely won't, keep it all just because you switch to finasteride.
Nobody is sure quite why minoxidil causes hair growth, but it is thought to increase the lenth of the growth phase of the hair cycle.
Finasteride lowers the production of the androgenic steroid DHT, which is thought to be the most important hormone driving the process of hair miniaturization that is characteristic of male pattern baldness.
So, minoxidil promotes growth, finasteride prevents loss.
Interestingly, finasteride can also promote growth to a limited extent. It appears some hair follicles can recover from the miniaturization process once it has been inhibited.
Given this fact, you might notice better-looking hair if you quit minoxidil and start finasteride, but as they work through different mechanisms, you're likely to still experience a lot of the shedding that post-minoxidil users see. You can't expect to, and very likely won't, keep it all just because you switch to finasteride.