the best topical on the market

[thin=depressed]

No this is not a sale pitch but rather a note on the situation. Why has not there been made a product consisting of 15% min (ethanol base), 5% adenosine, 5% azelaic acid, 5% retinoic acid, %5 ellagic acid? All these chems have been documented as being very helpfull so why not. I have an american express business card I plan on using to jump start a line such as this. I have a question for the moderator. How do I pitch a possable sale of this product on this site? Whats the legit route.

 

[thin=depressed]

BTW I had pitched the idea to a derm Doctor in town and he was interested.

 

[Guest]

Well it sounds like a good idea to me. But I don't think it was a good idea to state your idea on the website forum. Maybe you should've PM'ed Keven, because now you've told everyone what you are planning on doing and some jerk might just steal your idea...

Regardless, this sounds like a great idea though. The topical to beat all topicals pretty much. What about adding some finasteride in the mix too?

 

[thin=depressed]

Well it sounds like a good idea to me. But I don't think it was a good idea to state your idea on the website forum. Maybe you should've PM'ed Keven, because now you've told everyone what you are planning on doing and some jerk might just steal your idea...

Regardless, this sounds like a great idea though. The topical to beat all topicals pretty much. What about adding some finasteride in the mix too?

A product like this requires a derm Doctor to sell because of the acids. Azelaic acid inhibits dht so the finasteride might be over kill but that will be left to the Doctor to decide. I just said I would handle the hole site customer service so basicly he could continue his practice uninterupted.

 

[d_umberly]

A product like this requires a derm Doctor to sell because of the acids. Azelaic acid inhibits dht so the finasteride might be over kill but that will be left to the Doctor to decide. I just said I would handle the hole site customer service so basicly he could continue his practice uninterupted.

Go for it Thin, I am interested. How long do you think before you can have it on the market?

Also do you have and estimated selling price? How about a promotional price for the HairLossTalk.com forum members who provide before and after pictures etc. to help with the sales.

 

[thin=depressed]

A product like this requires a derm Doctor to sell because of the acids. Azelaic acid inhibits dht so the finasteride might be over kill but that will be left to the Doctor to decide. I just said I would handle the hole site customer service so basicly he could continue his practice uninterupted.

Go for it Thin, I am interested. How long do you think before you can have it on the market?

Also do you have and estimated selling price? How about a promotional price for the HairLossTalk.com forum members who provide before and after pictures etc. to help with the sales.

Well, the price depends on how much of each product I buy in bulk. The larger the order the bigger the discount given. I have to wait for the derm Doctor to decide on % of each chem before amount of initial purchase costs to create the cost of product but I would guess it to be about 100$ for 4 month supply or 240ml bottle which is quite reasonable considering if you bought each product individually would be over 200$. Thanks for the encouragement. Lets just hope the Doctor see the potential to go forth with it.

 

[thin=depressed]

On second thought considering the cost of atp being high it may be about 120. Compared to xandrox at 88$ its still a fantastic price. considering the effectiveness of such a product is exciting anyway.

 

[eurodane]

Hi It sounds like na good idea - just wondering if the alcohol content is not too high- there is very debate on this see for example not on lipoxidil - is ethanol not the same? I guess liposomes or nansomes would be to expensive?

Well if it comes down to bringing this products forward (i.e. being developed) and to a reasonable price, I do not mind the alcohol content. Have you checked out a Guy called Fred who is working on a new topical too called - see for example on hairsite in the topical foum - he is doing it together with elsom research.

I appreciate your initiative - we need more people like this to take us forward from the current lack of new useful products

BR

ED

 

[d_umberly]

On second thought considering the cost of atp being high it may be about 120. Compared to xandrox at 88$ its still a fantastic price. considering the effectiveness of such a product is exciting anyway.

Yes, still very reasonable at $120 for 4 months worth. People who won't use Generic minoxidil and want Rogaine pay about half that for minimal results in most cases.

I hope you can make it happen.

 

[thin=depressed]

[quote="thin=depressed":85d05]On second thought considering the cost of atp being high it may be about 120. Compared to xandrox at 88$ its still a fantastic price. considering the effectiveness of such a product is exciting anyway.

Yes, still very reasonable at $120 for 4 months worth. People who won't use Generic minoxidil and want Rogaine pay about half that for minimal results in most cases.

I hope you can make it happen.[/quote:85d05]Totally hyped about the idea although like I said, it depends now on the docs desire for internet sales. I think I planted a good idea in his head. He said he'll be contemplating the idea. I'll keep bugging him. Anyway, for now there isn't any reason why you experimenters can't try this regimen yourselves. Purchase of the acids can be bought at online pharmacy and the atp can found on weight lifting product sites. BTW I have the best results so far from this particular mix in that my hair is staying on my f*****g head unlike the other regimens I tried. Also, my scalp just feel more invigorated by this combo. That doesn't mean it will grow hair though. Time will tell. Then again, considering the documented performance of all these products it def will grow hair but to what degree?

 

[1derphull]

5% ellagic? For fucks sake, the studies called for a .5% solution!!

 

[d_umberly]

Anyway, for now there isn't any reason why you experimenters can't try this regimen yourselves. Purchase of the acids can be bought at online pharmacy and the atp can found on weight lifting product sites.

Eventually I could and with your guidance I would get it right the first time. Thing is Thin, I am as busy as a one-legged paper hanger in an *** kicking contest. Then again who isn't?

This means that things would have to slow down a lot for me to ever find the time. I have two engineering training courses to write before August.

They are not simple to do simply because of research and degree of accuracy required.

I must spend 6 hours a day at this damn computer. Moneys good though and allows me to throw some at hair regrowth, which is what I sometimes feel we are all doing to some degree.

When I have spare time I like to rest and read these posts and respond amongst other things.

Yeah, I know get a life.

So I hope it works out that you grow hair, have great news for all of us and make yourself a double arm load of cash in the process.

 

[eliazush]

5% retinoic acid??? You must be kidding. The maximum concentration allowded for skin and scalp is 0.1%. The available solution of min and retinoic acid consist of 0.025% which should be enough.
Also, I have lost interest in azelaic acid as DHT inhibitor. I think it's over estimated, and it also makes the solution much more sticky.

 

[nohairnodandruff]

Wow. You know I probably shouldn't buy any products from a guy on HairLossTalk.com who is going to just throw together a bunch of chemicals. I think that is how Procerin got started!

OH BABY PROCERIN RULES!

 

[thin=depressed]

5% retinoic acid??? You must be kidding. The maximum concentration allowded for skin and scalp is 0.1%. The available solution of min and retinoic acid consist of 0.025% which should be enough.
Also, I have lost interest in azelaic acid as DHT inhibitor. I think it's over estimated, and it also makes the solution much more sticky.

I noted the 5% as being off after posting it. Also, azelaic acid along with zinc and b6 according to Dr Raztec of crinagen says its the best way to apply azelaic acid. The fact is azelaic acid is weak but in combination with zinc and b6 inhibits 90% of dht in skin.

 

[thin=depressed]

Wow. You know I probably shouldn't buy any products from a guy on HairLossTalk.com who is going to just throw together a bunch of chemicals. I think that is how Procerin got started!

OH BABY PROCERIN RULES!

:roll: make it yourself goof. Thats a retarded question considering this forum is titled EXPERIMENTAL NEW TREATMENTS. NOTE: PRODUCT WILL BE DOCTOR APPROVED

 

[oni]

thin=depressed sorry but I have ripped your idea off and I am now making a mint on ebay with it lol!

That and the new hydroponic nutrient solution that I sell which is really just my piss in a bottle watered down lol!

 

[thin=depressed]

thin=depressed sorry but I have ripped your idea off and I am now making a mint on ebay with it lol!

That and the new hydroponic nutrient solution that I sell which is really just my piss in a bottle watered down lol!

I really don't care as long as hair loss is obliterated. What if the cure to our hair loss has been right under our noses for a while? I seriously believe the cure is already here in the form of multiple products. I think its lame and foolish to think that any one or two products can reclaim all our existing vellus hair on our scalp.

 

[oni]

I was not being serious, good luck to you!

But if you touch my hydroponic stuff idea.............................. :lol:

 

[d_umberly]

I was not being serious, good luck to you!

But if you touch my hydroponic stuff idea.............................. :lol:

Oni, how is the Topical Ibuprofen and Caffeine mix working? I see you haven't been on it long so maybe it is much too early to judge.