Swelling Face On Dutasteride..help()

[arnoldd]

is this an allergic reaction ? Im skinny but my face looks like a obese person. My unlucky is terrible. If i add minoxidil the face looks worse even more.
Im only taking this f*****g pill , i made a bloodtest and is all ok.
I should test to quit the pill for some days and see if the situation get better or not.
This is really depressed, im 24 , with an advanced male pattern baldness and i cant take neither duta finas or minoxidil. I havent any allergic reaction to foods or anything else.
This is really a nightmare for me that never ends. I someone can help me or have some opinion..thanks..

 

[g.i joey]

I think you should discontinue the treatment you truly believe to be causing you facial swelling and do it asap. I can't tell you which one it is surely as increased estrogen does result in facial bloating (dutasteride) but so does minoxidil as a direct side effect... take a short break from everything for a bit, if it's the minoxidil you'll notice changes in a couple days, if it persists you can pin it down to dutasteride and it's pretty long half life... good luck man, sounds like a shitty experience, I hope you resolve it.

 

[arnoldd]

Thx bro for your answer.

Im not taking minoxidil , i quit it 2 months ago. Since than my face recover just a bit. Actually im taking just 1 dutasteride pill everyday but my face is still swollen, my nose too. It really ruined my face.
I will follow your advice and take a break and see what happens..

 

[arnoldd]

1 question: if the half life of duta is 4/5 weeks it means that if i stop to take it my body still blocking dht conversion for that time ?

 

[arnoldd]

I made a bloodtest 2 weeks ago and my estradiol came in normal range, im skinny , no body fat and no water retention..

Probably its an allergic reaction

 

[g.i joey]

I made a bloodtest 2 weeks ago and my estradiol came in normal range, im skinny , no body fat and no water retention..

Probably its an allergic reaction

When you say "normal ranges" did you get the read out of your blood work? If your Doctor told you it was normal it could still be that your ranges were slightly above reference but most doctors won't warrant it as an issue so they'll just say it's normal (happened to me)

 

[jamesbooker1975]

please post the estradiol levels you have .

 

[arnoldd]

Estradiol 37 . range is to 50
My testo was. 650 the range was 200-1000

I havent more body fat gino or water retention in my legs or other body parts. Just my face is swollen. I woke up with a big nose. No way im allergic

 

[jamesbooker1975]

Estradiol 37 . range is to 50
My testo was. 650 the range was 200-1000

I havent more body fat gino or water retention in my legs or other body parts. Just my face is swollen. I woke up with a big nose. No way im allergic

37 is actually high for someone young specially if you are inhibiting more than 90 % of the DHT . The big problem when you read a blood test is that the put the range without having in count the age. So, for a old man of 80 50 could be ok, but not for someone in their 30s . And that is , without even counting that you are inhibiting DHT.

It is extremely important to understand the relation between DHT and Estradiol. In normal person when one goes up the other goes too and vice versa. One combat the other. It is not just the high estradiol, it is also the absence of DHT to combat it.
Your estradiol should be lower than 25, between 20 to 25 . You should not lower it beyond that.

I am extremely sorry to tell you that there is not magic here, you stop it or you will try to add more drugs to try to revert the side effects. Up to you. What are you free and total testosterone levels ?

 

[arnoldd]

testosterone 650, free testosterone i don't know.

what kind of drugs to revert side effect ?

 

[g.i joey]

Why don't you take finasteride op? Estrogen levels raise a lot less in comparison to dutasteride, as James said, 30% more dht with finasteride may help mitigate the high estrogen levels

 

[jamesbooker1975]

Aromatase inhibitors like letrozole, aromasin, etc.
They come with their own side effects which shouldn't be looked lightly upon.

I second both last comments. If you think on userin ARI, don't go for letrozol since is too strong and you need estrogens, anastrozol should be the first choice, all are expensive.
Going to finasteride will be an smart choice, like gi.joey told you

 

[jamesbooker1975]

testosterone 650, free testosterone i don't know.

what kind of drugs to revert side effect ?

Are you sure that this value is for total testosterone ? In Argentina they usually use ng/ml and the range goes from 2.4 ng/ml to 8.3 ng/ml
In the other side the Free testosterone ( using the units most used in argentina ) are from 215 pmol/l to 638pmol/l .
To gave you an idea, my free testosterone levels where very low ( 255pmol/l ) and my estrogen was like 40 pg/ml . Now, After 3 month on only 2 caps of duta per week plus aromasin, my Free test is 402 and my estrogens 24pg/ml

One thing you should try on your next test , should be progesterone . This hormone inhibit alpha reductase and also aromatase, should be a must to check before starting finasteride or dutasteride. Mine levels after so many years wtih finasteride/dutasteride was none existing ( so lab, that the lab was not even available to inform it , they just put less than 0.21ng/ml , range goes from 0.28 to 1.22 ng/ml )

 

[Pequod]

You need to immediately stop taking the drug,

What are the possible side effects of dutasteride (Avodart)?
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.

 

[WMQ]

Are you sure that this value is for total testosterone ? In Argentina they usually use ng/ml and the range goes from 2.4 ng/ml to 8.3 ng/ml
In the other side the Free testosterone ( using the units most used in argentina ) are from 215 pmol/l to 638pmol/l .
To gave you an idea, my free testosterone levels where very low ( 255pmol/l ) and my estrogen was like 40 pg/ml . Now, After 3 month on only 2 caps of duta per week plus aromasin, my Free test is 402 and my estrogens 24pg/ml

One thing you should try on your next test , should be progesterone . This hormone inhibit alpha reductase and also aromatase, should be a must to check before starting finasteride or dutasteride. Mine levels after so many years wtih finasteride/dutasteride was none existing ( so lab, that the lab was not even available to inform it , they just put less than 0.21ng/ml , range goes from 0.28 to 1.22 ng/ml )

How's your progesterone going?

And wow, that was some drastic rebounce of hormone levels. Are you sure this is from reducing dutasteride dosage alone, or from the progesterone you've been using?

Progesterone sounds really alluring because it sounds like everything that you need: get both E2 and DHT undercontrol, while increasing T. A health+ hair win win situation right?

But if it's been there for so long and people are not all over it then we know it's not that simple.

OP, you should get some blood tests done to have an idea of where you're at no matter what you do next. Otherwise if something happens, you will be left wondering wtf was going on for the rest of your life. I made that mistake before.

 

[jamesbooker1975]

How's your progesterone going?

And wow, that was some drastic rebounce of hormone levels. Are you sure this is from reducing dutasteride dosage alone, or from the progesterone you've been using?

Progesterone sounds really alluring because it sounds like everything that you need: get both E2 and DHT undercontrol, while increasing T. A health+ hair win win situation right?

But if it's been there for so long and people are not all over it then we know it's not that simple.

OP, you should get some blood tests done to have an idea of where you're at no matter what you do next. Otherwise if something happens, you will be left wondering wtf was going on for the rest of your life. I made that mistake before.

I added progesterone around 15 days or so ago, will test it for first time ( simple I am taking ) next week .
I think, that my lab test results are in part cause I am daily taking aromasin . Now, this new test it to see where my estrogen levels are and If progesterone download them even more than just aromasin and what happen with my testosterone and progesterone levels. We will see it in a week or so .

 

[arnoldd]

Are you sure that this value is for total testosterone ? In Argentina they usually use ng/ml and the range goes from 2.4 ng/ml to 8.3 ng/ml
In the other side the Free testosterone ( using the units most used in argentina ) are from 215 pmol/l to 638pmol/l .
To gave you an idea, my free testosterone levels where very low ( 255pmol/l ) and my estrogen was like 40 pg/ml . Now, After 3 month on only 2 caps of duta per week plus aromasin, my Free test is 402 and my estrogens 24pg/ml

One thing you should try on your next test , should be progesterone . This hormone inhibit alpha reductase and also aromatase, should be a must to check before starting finasteride or dutasteride. Mine levels after so many years wtih finasteride/dutasteride was none existing ( so lab, that the lab was not even available to inform it , they just put less than 0.21ng/ml , range goes from 0.28 to 1.22 ng/ml )

Yes bro , total testosterone was 6,5. Yes that range. 2,4-8 .
I didnt check free testosterone. When i did bloodtest was after 1,5 years on finasteride and 2,5 months dutasteride.

 

[arnoldd]

You need to immediately stop taking the drug,

What are the possible side effects of dutasteride (Avodart)?
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.

You're right. But what else can i do ? Dutas is my last option, if quit it i will be bald in 4 months . Really depressed

 

[arnoldd]

My situation is a mix of bad genes and terrible unlucky. Prone to baldness and cant take any meds to fight it..

 

[arnoldd]

I agree with the dude. You should stop if you have allergic reaction.
There are other options i have heard about like RU or topical spironolactone.

My baldness is advanced. I was idiot years ago and speed up it with steroids and others medications. I need something strong like dutas to mantein and make thicker what i have..