spironolactone, nizoral and Saw Palmetto as topicals! Working!

[Bryan]

This obsession some people have with 'shedding' is nuts, if I never heard that word on this forum again I'd be very happy. [...]

The amount of hair that naturally falls from your head on each occasion you 'count' is dependent on loads of things, including how often you wash (or rub/comb) you hair! For all we know it changes with the seasons and the tides. Ask any girl with (normal) long thick hair how much hair they lose everyday!

I'm often reminded of a story somebody told on one of these sites a long time ago: he said that whenever his girlfriend (who had long, thick hair, by the way) stayed the night and took a shower the next day or so, there was fallen ("shed") hair ALL OVER his bathroom! It was in the bathtub, on the floor, all over the bathroom counter and sink, etc.

I certainly agree with you that the focus so many people have on "shed" hair is ridiculous. It depends on so many things, it's rather pointless to waste time thinking and worrying about it.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

I don't understand how its pointless to reduce shedding and hair loss.

But if you dont i'd like to have the hair you fall out and put that in my head.

By 2 or 3 yrs end lets compare heads of scalp. Mines are not in regrow mode so every strand counts to me.

 

[Bryan]

I don't understand how its pointless to reduce shedding and hair loss. [...]

By 2 or 3 yrs end lets compare heads of scalp. Mines are not in regrow mode so every strand counts to me.

EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD (everbody who has any hair at all, at least) loses hair from "shedding", like the girl in that story I told. Your major problems are thinking that (1) there's much you can do about it, other than very slightly reducing the overall amount of daily "shedding" by fighting the fundamental causes of androgenetic alopecia; and (2) humorously assuming that you can use the amount of daily "shedding" as an indication of how well your hair is doing.

I strongly suggest that you forget how much hair you think you "shed" every day, and simply take regular photographs of your scalp every three-to-six months or so, to be sure how well your hair is doing. And use the standard treatments that you hear about on this site.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

So what indication would you use? Pictures?

If I am shedding 200 hairs a day (200x30=6000 hairs a month) when the average person only sheds 2 then common sense tells me, Im in a negative stage of hair loss.

And my balding areas will grow largers. And my hair will be more see thru.

But if I reduce the shedding down to 5 hairs a day (5x30=150 a month) then I am progressing. If I am then able to reduce the amount of dht influence even further, likely my scalp will go into regrow mode.

Seems logical to me. Also I've seen this happen when on a greater dosage of spironolactone. The shedding was greatly reduced over 2 mos then regrowth began.

When I stopped it regrowth halted and 200 hairs a day shed began.

 

[Life_sucks]

^ Losing 50-150 hairs a day is considered normal for people that are not going through a hair loss. You can google this fact. Not saying losing 200 a day is normal but don't assume all the hair that is being lost is permanent. Most/Some of it could be just part of the normal process.

Adding to what Bryan said, I know men/women that shed hair (ex.sinks) that are not going through male pattern baldness.

 

[twenty.five]

How do you know which of those is actually doing anything? How does a 70 percent reduction in shedding equate to stopping or reducing male pattern baldness? Everyone sheds hairs and the amount could vary by the day depending on say how hard you rub your hair. The amount of hair you lose really means nothing if it all grows back so I dont know what that all even means. You need pictures or its just guess work no one can remember small gradual changes over the course of a year like how hair loss works.
I highly doubt its the saw palmetto that is doing anything. Its either the spironolactone or the nizoral which are much more proven. How much saw palmetto even gets absorbed and what ratio of alcohol to saw palmetto are you using?

No, spironolactone isn't even close to proven.

Keto has good evidence behind it, topical spironolactone has next to nothing.

 

[Bryan]

So what indication would you use? Pictures?

Sure. Take regular photos.

If I am shedding 200 hairs a day (200x30=6000 hairs a month) when the average person only sheds 2 then common sense tells me, Im in a negative stage of hair loss.

HUH?? You think anybody "sheds" only 2 hairs a day? :laugh:

But if I reduce the shedding down to 5 hairs a day (5x30=150 a month) then I am progressing. If I am then able to reduce the amount of dht influence even further, likely my scalp will go into regrow mode.

As another poster just said, Dr. Proctor has said for years on alt.baldtspot that people (balding or not) generally lose around 50-200 hairs a day from so-called "shedding". God, how I hate that pointless wording.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

Ok, thanks Bryan and twenty.five. Your input is greatly appreciated.

Hey, when I was in my teens, I would only shed like 2 to 3 hairs a day. Rarely did I have anything beyond that. Seriously. I had a VERY thick head of hair. My stylist used to complain that in addition to having long hair, my hair was 'thick to the ends'. So some people actually do shed a very few hairs a day.

But, I guess I'll do the pictures.

Right now I'm just scared that this male pattern baldness/fpb thing is making me SHED hairs and not REGROWING those hairs.

My hair used to grow with NO effort from me. Long hair, mid back length. I did not special conditioners, nothing. Now I do about 7 things to my hair internally and externally and it's about only 1/2 an inch for 2 months. I used to get about 3/4th in per month! And that was with NO growth enhancers. And I'm not a 50 or 60 yr old. I'm only in my 30's. A female. It really sucks.

Oh well, once again thanks alot.