Specific Dates We Can Look Forward To For Advancement Of Hair Loss Treatments

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MrV88 said:
Shiseido and maybe Follica+Brotzu. SkinTE said they will be ready in 2018 with their skin product and this could lead to their hair research. Topical Finasterid could make it too
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I am on topical finasteride for 2 weeks I think it is helping me shed less...will know more in a few more weeks if its consistant.
 
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hairblues said:
I am on topical finasteride for 2 weeks I think it is helping me shed less...will know more in a few more weeks if its consistant.
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This is what finasteride does, it works quickly to stop shedding. Well oral finasteride, when I start taking it after being off from it for a while, it takes a week to notice less shed and then by end of month the shed stops completely. I wish the next steps for me in the next months is regrowth but that's never the case, it just stops hair loss. Although some people do get some of their hair back, i'm one of the unlucky one's. At least finasteride does not give me any side effects.
 
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RegenWaiting said:
In my humble opinion; while RIKEN, if ever released, will have the ultimate and final solution to Androgenetic Alopecia...by that time, chances are we'll already have *better* options than we have today (Shiseido, Follica). So, there will most likely exist competition, atleast for lower Norwoods. Just like Shiseido's treatment, RIKEN will have to get some tissue from the back of the head, and then multiply, clone (call it what you want). Then, it'll have to be injected. In this sense, if you think about it, there's not a very big difference when it comes to labour etc comparing those two. Well, there may be *some* or bigger differences upon injections (RIKEN will co-op with surgeons), but it's all up in the air, still. And most of us will prolly agree that transplant prices are mostly dictated by labour intesiveness, hence price pr graft and different prices in different countries. Now, we have already got some clue about the price of Shiseido, and what we can expect there. Not even 1000 usd.

Again, in my humble opinion, the guesstimated prices of the future RIKEN treatment quoted by members here, are prolly dictated and (maybe) inflated because of the only fact we know about it from them; initially 10 000 patients per year. Or is there something else I have missed? Maybe the prices will be atronomical after all, but does that really make sense from an economical/business perspective also?

Aaanyways; all we can do is speculate, and one day I sure would like to know what price they land on. After all, many things can still change, and so can their ''plan'' of 10 000 initial patients :)
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This discussion is really predated, man.
Too early to speculate on pricing and availability, when we don't even know if it will work.
 
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Kev123 said:
This is what finasteride does, it works quickly to stop shedding. Well oral finasteride, when I start taking it after being off from it for a while, it takes a week to notice less shed and then by end of month the shed stops completely. I wish the next steps for me in the next months is regrowth but that's never the case, it just stops hair loss. Although some people do get some of their hair back, i'm one of the unlucky one's. At least finasteride does not give me any side effects.
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Is it reasonable to say people who get regrowth often get side effects and people who just maintain or not have any results get less side effects or none at all?
 
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Royaume said:
Q3/Q4 2017 follica trial results
Q4 2017/Q12018 Aclaris update jak Androgenetic Alopecia
Q1 2018 Fidia update/release
Q2 2018 Shiseido Trial results
Q2 2018 Market launch of Replicels Device
Q3/Q4 Shiseido market launch in Japan
Q3/Q4 2018 potential market launch of PolarityTE Skin rejuvenation
Q4 2018/Q1 2019 follica Market launch
Q1 2019 Histogen Market launch
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What makes you think that Aclaris will make an update regarding Jak for Androgenetic Alopecia? Is there an official quote?
 
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MrV88 said:
Lol 50k nobody except idiots will pay that. How many of the bald people pay more than 2-4k € for a hair transplant? There are so many countries that offer hair transplant for less and have much more experience due to their tons of customers that prices like 10k or more are totally overpriced.

Automated process, machines, facilities surgeons etc will be very expensive for Riken etc., but if they charge the first patients with such high prices the demand will be very low and in the end they have to stop it because of the lack of patients.
I don't think that these guys are dumb enough to realize that they have the only permanent cure and patients have to come more than once to fully solve their problems, so they will make a businessplan and will charge the right (normal) fee in comparison to future prices /treatments and long term earnings.

The numbers that some guys here write for this treatment are just insane, especially for about 90% of the world, developed countries included.
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This needs to be addressed. This message is so wrong and so many ways, I can barely count them. These clinics that offer transplants for 10k are still in business aren't they? Your statement is so naive because it seemingly makes an assumption that the quality of the transplant is the same across the board, which is false. People pay a premium for quality results and a clinic they trust, period. PLENTY of people would pay 50K for a full blown cure to have their confidence, self-esteem, and their f*****g life back. And are you seriously comparing Tsuji's procedure to a traditional hair transplant? There is no comparison; the difference is night and day. There are so many reasons for why people don't want to pay for a transplant, the biggest of which is a limited donor supply. Also, transplants can often look unnatural at the hairline because thick, coarse hairs from the back must be used to fill it in. Not to mention, anyone can go get the necessary credentials and open a hair transplant clinic, so there is a HUGE supply and lots of competition, which obviously drives the price down. Tsuji will be in a league of his own (and no you cannot throw him in there with Shiseido/Replicel) and when the treatment comes out, he will have no competition. Those are very elementary business principles. You cannot tell me that there aren't 10,000 guys in the word desperate enough for this treatment, that they would gladly pay 50k because I guaran-f*****g-tee you there are. To put it in perspective, how guys people do you think drop 50k on a new car? Honestly, I'd be relieved if it were only 50k because it could be a lot more than that. People pay for results, period.
 
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Lavar Ball sells a shoe for $500 and he's never played a single game in the NBA. There are plenty of suckers out there that will overpay.
 
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Omega2327 said:
This needs to be addressed. This message is so wrong and so many ways, I can barely count them. These clinics that offer transplants for 10k are still in business aren't they? Your statement is so naive because it seemingly makes an assumption that the quality of the transplant is the same across the board, which is false. People pay a premium for quality results and a clinic they trust, period. PLENTY of people would pay 50K for a full blown cure to have their confidence, self-esteem, and their f*****g life back. And are you seriously comparing Tsuji's procedure to a traditional hair transplant? There is no comparison; the difference is night and day. There are so many reasons for why people don't want to pay for a transplant, the biggest of which is a limited donor supply. Also, transplants can often look unnatural at the hairline because thick, coarse hairs from the back must be used to fill it in. Not to mention, anyone can go get the necessary credentials and open a hair transplant clinic, so there is a HUGE supply and lots of competition, which obviously drives the price down. Tsuji will be in a league of his own (and no you cannot throw him in there with Shiseido/Replicel) and when the treatment comes out, he will have no competition. Those are very elementary business principles. You cannot tell me that there aren't 10,000 guys in the word desperate enough for this treatment, that they would gladly pay 50k because I guaran-f*****g-tee you there are. To put it in perspective, how guys people do you think drop 50k on a new car? Honestly, I'd be relieved if it were only 50k because it could be a lot more than that. People pay for results, period.
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There will be at least 10k "idiots"/wealthy people that are going the pay the price and it wouldn't even matter if it is 50 or 500k for them, but how many people can afford this?
For example Porsche nearly went bankrupt by just selling their legendary 911 until, they started selling the Boxster and now nearly 30-40% of their volume is the Cayenne diesel, a relative "cheap" (by Porsche standards) diesel car.

You can't just rely on the wealthy or ultrawealthy to make billions of this product and it doesn't matter if he is the only one capable of this for 10 years.

İf you don't have the money or simply can't afford it for some reason than you can't choose it. Millions maybe billions of people that are bald as sh*t can afford such a treatment and the masses are "the market" not 10k people.

Everybody is talking about spending everything they got just to get their hair back, but at the end of the day it's just bla bla for so many reasons. We'll have to wait and see how it will work out and yes Tsuji's work is phenomenal, but the procedure should be simpler than a normal hair transplant thanks to Riken.
İnfinite donor? İnfinite tries! So every idiot that can make a deal with Tsuji will transplant the sh*t out of every bald guy that he could find and this is when the price drops.
You are too focused on the 10k and that Tsuji will remain the godfather of hairloss for decades and exclusive deals, no period.
 
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Kev123 said:
This is what finasteride does, it works quickly to stop shedding. Well oral finasteride, when I start taking it after being off from it for a while, it takes a week to notice less shed and then by end of month the shed stops completely. I wish the next steps for me in the next months is regrowth but that's never the case, it just stops hair loss. Although some people do get some of their hair back, i'm one of the unlucky one's. At least finasteride does not give me any side effects.
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I'm 5 months in and still shedding lol
 
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MrV88 said:
There will be at least 10k "idiots"/wealthy people that are going the pay the price and it wouldn't even matter if it is 50 or 500k for them, but how many people can afford this?
For example Porsche nearly went bankrupt by just selling their legendary 911 until, they started selling the Boxster and now nearly 30-40% of their volume is the Cayenne diesel, a relative "cheap" (by Porsche standards) diesel car.

You can't just rely on the wealthy or ultrawealthy to make billions of this product and it doesn't matter if he is the only one capable of this for 10 years.

İf you don't have the money or simply can't afford it for some reason than you can't choose it. Millions maybe billions of people that are bald as sh*t can afford such a treatment and the masses are "the market" not 10k people.

Everybody is talking about spending everything they got just to get their hair back, but at the end of the day it's just bla bla for so many reasons. We'll have to wait and see how it will work out and yes Tsuji's work is phenomenal, but the procedure should be simpler than a normal hair transplant thanks to Riken.
İnfinite donor? İnfinite tries! So every idiot that can make a deal with Tsuji will transplant the sh*t out of every bald guy that he could find and this is when the price drops.
You are too focused on the 10k and that Tsuji will remain the godfather of hairloss for decades and exclusive deals, no period.
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I was only focused on the 10K because that is the initial amount of people they intend to treat at at the beginning... As such, the relevant question people are asking is how much it will cost WHEN IT COMES OUT because people want a cure ASAP and want to know if they could afford it. I want to know how much it will cost in 2020, not 2027. Of course they have said that that in time the price will drop with time as it becomes more widely available. No one is disputing that point; however, the cost when it comes out is a much more relevant topic of discussion.
 
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Endmymisery said:
Is it reasonable to say people who get regrowth often get side effects and people who just maintain or not have any results get less side effects or none at all?
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I would like to know the answer to this, as a general guide, too.
 
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Credit to @Noisette who posted this in one of the Follica threads:

" PureTech Health plc (“PureTech”, LSE: PRTC), an advanced, clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company, expects to announce its half-yearly results for the six months ended 30 June 2017 at 7.00am BST on Wednesday 30 August 2017 " .
 
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