Some Posters Liked Trump Over Clinton Because Clinton Might Start War

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But as it turns out Trump is the irrational maniac that might start a war. He might even start a nuclear war.

David in paticular thought Trump was the safer bet to not start a war because Trump was more concliliatory with Russia about Syria. David read some misinformation indicating that Clinton said she would impose a no-fly zone in Syria. But Clinton actually said she would negotiate a no-fly zone with Russia and other participants in Syria. Clinton was not going to drag the USA into a war with Russia over Syria.

And there are more potential global flash points that could lead to war than just Syria.

And Trump could still get us into war with Russia because Russia is a major ally of China, so if Trump and China end up in a skirmish Russia could join the battle on China's side anyway.

The takeaway from this is that it's a bad idea to vote solely on the basis of the potential for war in one specific theater. It's also a bad idea not to carefully read what the candidates actually say.

Voters should factor in the character of the candidates and rule out impulsive irrational candidates who do not have the temperament, stability, and wisdom to be commander-in-chief. I'm cool with making war on some country if it's necessary but I have no hunger for unecessary wars. Be careful who you vote for - he might make bombs fall on your neighborhood.

 

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North Korea, in the state they are in, cannot possess the ability of Constructing nuclear tipped ICBMs. The scarcity of resources in NK indicate that advancements in the development were given to them by Russia or China counterparts, possibly for a multitude or reasons.

China is a different beast in its division, and have a history of ops such as these, as do the Russians, in attempts to remove America from the region and topple our status. But, the main reason NK wants to aquire the weapons is to attack Japan, or Seoul.

Trump, though not perfect, when aside Clinton was a 100 times better candidate. His biggest mistakes lied on not removing every single Obama era hired government employee and starting fresh. He did not do the smart thing, and is now paying the price.

NK on the other hand, does need to be taken out.

You seem to think that NK can be "taken out" with no risk to America. Newsflash: NK has nuclear ICBMs now. And I wonder if you would still think it's a good idea to take out NK if your neighborhood is one of the neighborhoods that gets nuked in a war with NK and you somehow survive. What would you think when you climb out of the rubble and see your vicinity destroyed and carnage everywhere? Would you still be thinking that NK needed to be taken out?

If a serious hot war (not a skirmish) takes place between America and NK millions of people could die, especially in Japan, South Korea, and Guam.

Trump is not only the worse president America has ever had; he's also totally unfit to be commander-in-chief. There's even a real possibility that Trump is a Russian puppet and that doesn't bother you at all yet you probably believe that you're a patriot.

Clinton would have been a good president whereas Trump is the worse president in America history. I hope you're right that there are Obama holdovers still on the job thwarting Trump's agenda. I love it that his repeal and replace of Obamacare failed.

 

[rclark]

But as it turns out Trump is the irrational maniac that might start a war. He might even start a nuclear war.

David in paticular thought Trump was the safer bet to not start a war because Trump was more concliliatory with Russia about Syria. He had some misinformation that Clinton said she would impose a no-fly zone in Syria. But Clinton actually said she would negotiate a no-fly zone with Russia and other participants in Syria. Clinton was not going to drag the USA into a war with Russia over Syria.

And besides there are more potential global flash points that could lead to war than just Syria.

And Trump could still get us into war with Russia because Russia is a major ally of China, so if Trump and China end up in a skirmish Russia could join the battle on China's side anyway.

The takeaway from this is that it's a bad idea to vote solely on the basis of a potential for war in one specific theater. It's also a bad idea not to carefully read what the candidates actually say.

Voters should factor in the character of the candidates and rule out impulsive irrational candidates who do not have the temperament, stability, and wisdom to be commander-in-chief. I'm cool with making war on some country if it's necessary but I have no use for unecessary wars. Be careful who you vote for - he might make bombs fall on your neighborhood.

He bribed voters. Let's be honest, we're in the USA. Anybody with enough money can be President.

 

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Just to keep everyone updated, China says if we start war against North Korea then China will stop us.

OTOH if North Korea starts war against America then China says it will stay out of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a0a64977c92_story.html?utm_term=.79730cc7efa1

 

[nameless]

Sound like a lib.
I'll pass.

It's pretty clear that Trump is a Russian puppet, and Russia is a foreign enemy of the USA, and you support Trump. Since I'm an American citizen please explain why you support a POTUS who's a puppet of a foreign enemy. Are you unpatriotic? Are you trying to aid and abet a Russian takeover of America?

 

[swingline747]

yeah look at the war he started.... OMG NUKES EEERRRRRRRRRRRVERYWHERE!

Were in the mess with NK because the last batch of presidents didnt stand up to him like Trump so far has. They simply sent "aid" money to shut him up in which he spent on more nuclear research.
We have an immigration problem because past president simply sent aid money to Mexico to fight the cartels and secure the border but they simply pocketed it and let things keep going.
Im sorry but so far Trump has YET to do anything I dont agree with. He has yet to say anything I dont really agree with.
Even his last comment about the VA clash and both sides being at fault. I swear hes reading my twitter because I said that like the next day of the event. BOTH SIDES ARE AT FAULT! You dont protest a protest with masks, bats and mace. You dont antagonize an already unstable group and then cry when you get hurt. Do I blame the doberman if I rightfully KNEW he would bite.... theres a thing called common sense. You know what else, he said "wait until people scream they want to change the name of the Washington monument or park since he was a slave owner" and guess what, now these insane people ARE!
You people scream what a lunatic he is yet ignore your own lack of logic and common sense because you desire a purpose so badly. Things like the media, internet, social media and pop culture has taken away all the actual desire to create purpose for yourself through effort and now you lackadaisical purposeless drifters simply latch on to whatever seems popular and fun. Like tearing down a statue in a park. Real great purpose! Then what, when that is done what will you decide needs to be torn down next as you twiddle your thumbs and dart your eyes around a room.
You people have no actual desires in the world, no true purpose and to be honest I truly feel everyone in this "get Trump" campaign has so little self esteem they are allowing themselves to be pulled left and right without any knowledge of "why", how they got there or whether they bothered to "THINK" if it was logically the right thing to do. You are no better than any other fascist group, they complain about Nazi's yet don't realize how close they are. Im willing to bet I could dress one of each in a t shirt and jeans, and they could have an agreeable conversation with each other for 45 minutes before they realized THEY WERENT talking to someone from the opposite side.
Dumb dumbs

 

[JeanLucBB]

Obama spent 8 years of sending aid money to North Korea while they developed ICBMs and their nuclear capability.

Oh but apparently this is Trumps fault. My bad. Better just keep sending that aid money and kissing the asses of everyone that hates America. Better ship some more Muslims over to America so they can eat up American welfare and plot to kill us, just to show that we are compassionate folk.

 

[JeanLucBB]

You seem to think that NK can be "taken out" with no risk to America but NK has nuclear ICBMs now. I wonder if you would still think it's a good idea to take out NK if your neighborhood is one of the neighborhoods that gets nuked in a war with NK and you survive somehow. What would you think when you climb out of the rubble and see your vicinity destroyed and carnage everywhere? Would you still be thinking that NK needed to be taken out?

If a serious hot war (not a skirmish) takes place between America and NK millions of people could die, especially in Japan, South Korea, and Guam.

Trump is not only the worse president America has ever had; he's also totally unfit to be commander-in-chief. There's even a real possibility that Trump is a Russian puppet and that doesn't bother you at all yet you probably believe that you're a patriot.

Clinton would have been a good president whereas Trump is the worse president in America history. I hope you're right that there are Obama holdovers still on the job thwarting Trump's agenda. I love it that his repeal and replace of Obamacare failed.

"Clinton would have been a good president whereas Trump is the worse president in America history. "

Solid logic, solid logic. Another solid argument from a well oiled product of the national socialist media propaganda machine.

 

[JeanLucBB]

He bribed voters. Let's be honest, we're in the USA. Anybody with enough money can be President.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/tru...clinton-did-on-his-way-to-the-presidency.html

Trump spent and raised almost half of the money Clinton did you delusional, brainwashed dipshit.

Typical brainwashed lefty; illiterate and can't read numbers. What a f*****g asset you are to the left.

 

[rclark]

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/tru...clinton-did-on-his-way-to-the-presidency.html

Trump spent and raised almost half of the money Clinton did you delusional, brainwashed dipshit.

Typical brainwashed lefty; illiterate and can't read numbers. What a f*****g asset you are to the left.

Well a**h**, he had more money to spend as well. He's a billionaire.

He paid people to run a negative campaign. His son was caught, and his son in law.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Well a**h**, he had more money to spend as well. He's a billionaire.

He paid people to run a negative campaign. His son was caught, and his son in law.

Are you for real? And Hilary and the mainstream media didn't run a negative campaign on trump? What about a CNN employee handing debate questions to Hilary in advance? Don't see a problem with that?

 

[rclark]

Are you for real? And Hilary and the mainstream media didn't run a negative campaign on trump? What about a CNN employee handing debate questions to Hilary in advance? Don't see a problem with that?

Yes, I am serious. There was a person who voted twice for him.

Everything he's pointed fingers at (law breaking, etc.), he has done.

I thought the Russian scam was bullshit at first, I really did. But now I think he's hiding something. He's full of sh*t.

If he wasn't guilty, he could just come out and say there having an investigation. Who gives a sh*t? I'm innocent.

Instead he fires anybody in Washington who mentions the word Russia.

You actually think he's innocent?

 

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JeanLucBB and Swingline747,

All along you should have known that we can't stop NK from having nukes so it's best to slow their nuke development program down and once they get nukes we should manage the situation. To that end, it was a good idea to make deals with NK that would slow down their nuke development program in exchange for some money because that way at least you get something. You get the slowdown. It's obvious that this was the democratic plan and I think it was a good plan.

The alternative is to attack NK so you can take their nukes away from them by force, which will trigger a Chinese (and perhaps Russian) response. And this sounds like what Trump wants to do. And it looks like this is what you reactionary types think you're going to get from Trump.

But Trump's advisers (both military and civilian) will tell him that the best thing to do is to accept that NK will get nukes and America should accept this and manage the situation. There is no reasonable alternative to this. There never was. So Trump will likely end up following the same plan that the dems have been following. But then again with Trump's irrational and erratic behavior it is possible that he could actually start a major war and if he does you'll be wishing it wasn't happening.

I disagree with a lot of Trump's bullshit but my number 1 complaint against him is his sucking up to Russia and Putin. He's in putin's pocket. I guess you don't care about that issue. Well, I'm a patriot who cares about America so I do care about that issue. I guess you don't care if our president is helping one of our enemies at America's expense. This is the real reason I want him to resign or be impeached. I don't want our country to be run by a president who's a Russian puppet.

My number 2 complant about Trump is that he's a madman. It's a bad idea to have a madman in charge of the US government, the US military, and the US nukes. Trump is such a whack-job that after witnessing Trump and Kim Jong-un bickering back-and-forth in the press it was apparent that when it comes to sanity Trump is worse off than Kim Jong-un.

Better a president who will spend my tax dollars on helping some poor people than a president who's an insane Russian puppet. Your priorities are mixed up son. In the grand cosmological scheme of things a Russian-puppet whackjob president is worse than a president who will give welfare to some poor people.

 

[swingline747]

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/tru...clinton-did-on-his-way-to-the-presidency.html

Trump spent and raised almost half of the money Clinton did you delusional, brainwashed dipshit.

Typical brainwashed lefty; illiterate and can't read numbers. What a f*****g asset you are to the left.

I like you

 

[swingline747]

JeanLucBB and Swingline747,

All along you should have known that we can't stop NK from having nukes so it's best to slow their nuke development program down and once they get nukes we should manage the situation. To that end, it was a good idea to make deals with NK that would slow down their nuke development program in exchange for some money because that way at least you get something. You get the slowdown. It's obvious that this was the democratic plan and I think it was a good plan.

The alternative is to attack NK so you can take their nukes away from them by force, which will trigger a Chinese (and perhaps Russian) response. And this sounds like what Trump wants to do. And it looks like this is what you reactionary types think you're going to get from Trump.

But Trump's advisers (both military and civilian) will tell him that the best thing to do is to accept that NK will get nukes and America should accept this and manage the situation. There is no reasonable alternative to this. There never was. So Trump will likely end up following the same plan that the dems have been following. But then again with Trump's irrational and erratic behavior it is possible that he could actually start a major war and if he does you'll be wishing it wasn't happening.

I disagree with a lot of Trump's bullshit but my number 1 complaint against him is his sucking up to Russia and Putin. He's in putin's pocket. I guess you don't care about that issue. Well, I'm a patriot who cares about America so I do care about that issue. I guess you don't care if our president is helping one of our enemies at America's expense. This is the real reason I want him to resign or be impeached. I don't want our country to be run by a president who's a Russian puppet.

My number 2 complant about Trump is that he's a madman. It's a bad idea to have a madman in charge of the US government, the US military, and the US nukes. Trump is such a whack-job that after witnessing Trump and Kim Jong-un bickering back-and-forth in the press it was apparent that when it comes to sanity Trump is worse off than Kim Jong-un.

Better a president who will spend my tax dollars on helping some poor people than a president who's an insane Russian puppet. Your priorities are mixed up son. In the grand cosmological scheme of things a Russian-puppet whackjob president is worse than a president who will give welfare to some poor people.

almost everything you said it complete here say or utter shite.
There is no proof on anything Russian, and even so, whats it matter?
BUT LETS SAY, in a hypothetical world, what did the SCARY russians do? Hack the DNC....... OH MY GERRRRRD, they released emails. This is how f*****g braindead you people are. Even if there was spooky "russian collusion" nothing EVER came out of it! You are being mad the emails got released instead of the truth within the emails. Plus the DNC had all sorts of collusion with our media, other groups, news giving her answers to questions, secret meetings with Lynch, bugging the towers then basically pleading the fifth. YES they actually were bugging the towers, whatever reason they gave is well, whatever, but they denied it until they got caught.
In what way has he shown any puppeteering under Russia? In fact I BEG you to go look up the connections the Clintons and Podestas had with the Russians!
Trump is an aggressive businessman. Thats how hes acting, like its business. What did you want him to do with Kim Jong Un, give more money? Yeah thats worked out so well. In this spectrum now we gave them nothing. Their economy is drudging, they have crazy sanctions and in no time theyll be trying to milk off China more. China will eventually go tell them to f*** themselves they arent willing to Propecia NK up anymore. On top of that Trump has made some pretty decent strides talking to China. To the point where China even told everyone if NK strike the US theyre fucked. So NO NK will not make the first strike because one of our missiles would take out their nuke on the way here and then we would annihilate them. The worst fear we have is NK "selling" a nuke to a terrorist group for pennies since theyre so broke and that group sneaking it into a city in a van and setting it off. If that happened again NK would be dust.
At this rate the country will go so broke then entire nation will revolt on him and overthrow him. This is the event the US is now hoping for. Stop being a lunatic... you say hes a lunatic but listen to yourself.
"I personally believe" every thing Trump does is a wheel and deal. Even the trans military thing. I honestly think he is using that as a barter card with conservative representatives to get votes towards healthcare. he doesnt give a sh*t about trans and gay people. Go to his hotels and looks at 65% of the staff.... I personally dont think we should be using our tax money for trans people to have hormone therapy and sex changes through the military, which is a point he brought up. Sorry, its cosmetic. Just like we cant use our insurance for hair issues, which everyone here would deem causes psychiatric issues, neither should they.

You people just dont like being talked to like the children you are. Like an angry objective parent, you are FINALLY all being called out on your sh*t and you are losing your sh*t for it. No longer is there a president who sits by and lets the left cause carnage and then just goes "okay" or worse, remains silent.

He blames both groups on charlseton, WHICH IT WAS BOTH GROUPS FAULT!, and you lose your sh*t cause he didnt "call out" the nazis. He says he thinks that group are garbage and you STILL b**ch and complain. You are ALL children, and you are all finally getting a social spanking! HA HA HA HA HA

 

[nameless]

almost everything you said it complete here say or utter shite.
There is no proof on anything Russian, and even so, whats it matter?
BUT LETS SAY, in a hypothetical world, what did the SCARY russians do? Hack the DNC....... OH MY GERRRRRD, they released emails. This is how f*****g braindead you people are. Even if there was spooky "russian collusion" nothing EVER came out of it! You are being mad the emails got released instead of the truth within the emails. Plus the DNC had all sorts of collusion with our media, other groups, news giving her answers to questions, secret meetings with Lynch, bugging the towers then basically pleading the fifth. YES they actually were bugging the towers, whatever reason they gave is well, whatever, but they denied it until they got caught.
In what way has he shown any puppeteering under Russia? In fact I BEG you to go look up the connections the Clintons and Podestas had with the Russians!
Trump is an aggressive businessman. Thats how hes acting, like its business. What did you want him to do with Kim Jong Un, give more money? Yeah thats worked out so well. In this spectrum now we gave them nothing. Their economy is drudging, they have crazy sanctions and in no time theyll be trying to milk off China more. China will eventually go tell them to f*** themselves they arent willing to Propecia NK up anymore. On top of that Trump has made some pretty decent strides talking to China. To the point where China even told everyone if NK strike the US theyre fucked. So NO NK will not make the first strike because one of our missiles would take out their nuke on the way here and then we would annihilate them. The worst fear we have is NK "selling" a nuke to a terrorist group for pennies since theyre so broke and that group sneaking it into a city in a van and setting it off. If that happened again NK would be dust.
At this rate the country will go so broke then entire nation will revolt on him and overthrow him. This is the event the US is now hoping for. Stop being a lunatic... you say hes a lunatic but listen to yourself.
"I personally believe" every thing Trump does is a wheel and deal. Even the trans military thing. I honestly think he is using that as a barter card with conservative representatives to get votes towards healthcare. he doesnt give a sh*t about trans and gay people. Go to his hotels and looks at 65% of the staff.... I personally dont think we should be using our tax money for trans people to have hormone therapy and sex changes through the military, which is a point he brought up. Sorry, its cosmetic. Just like we cant use our insurance for hair issues, which everyone here would deem causes psychiatric issues, neither should they.

You people just dont like being talked to like the children you are. Like an angry objective parent, you are FINALLY all being called out on your sh*t and you are losing your sh*t for it. No longer is there a president who sits by and lets the left cause carnage and then just goes "okay" or worse, remains silent.

He blames both groups on charlseton, WHICH IT WAS BOTH GROUPS FAULT!, and you lose your sh*t cause he didnt "call out" the nazis. He says he thinks that group are garbage and you STILL b**ch and complain. You are ALL children, and you are all finally getting a social spanking! HA HA HA HA HA

I did not say anything about Charlotte. I said I believe Trump is a Russian puppet and a madman. I'm satisfied that there is enough evidence that Trump is a Russian puppet that citizens should be concerned about that possibility. And I know there's enough evidence to prove that Trump is a madman. And you could care less about either of these 2 issues. This just goes to show that you're too concerned with welfare to contemplate other important issues. Welfare is not as important as whether or not our president is a Russian puppet or whether or not he's a madman. The fact that you care more about welfare than these other two issues shows your priorities are a mess, you're not very wise, and you do not care about America.

By hacking the DNC and publicizing stolen emails the Russians interferred wth our democratic process/elections. Since you're baindead I'll explain to you that, that means the Russians interferred with our democracy. And if the Russians got any help with that rom the Trump campaign then that means that the Trump campaign helped the Russians interefere with our democracy, which would be an act of treason on the part of the Trump campaign.

Russia also put an army of "cyberbots" in cyberspace who's job it was to post negative AND FALSE news about Hillary Clinton in order to get UNDECIDED voters to vote against Clinton. It is being alleged that these Russian cyberbots tailored their false negative news against Clinton so that different districts in swing states would get different false stories depending on which themes would anger undecided voters (against democrats and Clinton) more in each different district. There is no way the Russian bots would know which themes would be more motivational for voters in each district. The Russian bots would have needed help to decide what themes to use for each district. Hence, part of the investigation is looking into whether or not Team Republican/Team Trump helped Russian bots tailor the themes of their fake negative stories against Clinton in such a way that they would have the most impact in the various districts in swing states. But the here fact that the Russians would not have known which themes would play best in different districts and the best times to put out these false stories in different districts means that right off the bat there's a high probability of collusion with team trump because Russia got that info from somewhere.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article160803619.html

There's also the fact that Donald Trump Jr. already released emails showing that he was joyfull at the idea of getting negative info about Clinton from the Russians. Trump Jr's own emails show that Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort did meet with Russian operatives in June of last year and Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort had the intent of getting negative info about Clinton at that meeting. The Russians and Team Trump working together like that to undermind one of the other candidates is collusion. It's not collusion in the strongest sense but it IS collusion. And we don't have all of the evidence yet. There's more to come.

I'm satisfied that collusion occurred and Trump should be gotten out of office for the sake of the country. I feel this way because I care about America. You don't care about anything except you want some poor people to suffer so your big concern is that you want welfare to cease. You're willing to let a whackjob Russian puppet have control of our goverment if that will prevent poor people from getting welfare. You don't care about America. All you care about is hurting the poor. You're a man with an ugl heart and you deserve to be bald.

And when you say "they" bugged the tower who is they? If Trump Tower was bugged then it was done by the FBI with a duly authorized warrant signed by a judge, and that would make the bugging totally legal. The FBI is allowed to bug people once it gets a warrant from a judge.

No judge approved Team Trump's collusion with the Russians.

Based on your grammar and sentence structure you sound like an old hayseeder hillbilly. Are you and old hillbilly?

 

[BaldingOrNot99]

Trump is a joke, can't believe the GOP isn't trying to impeach already.

 

[swingline747]

1) you're a lunatic if you think the DNC wouldn't be playing any of these tricks as well.
2) the release of said emails swayed no one and nothing. Peoples mind were made up. If you were swayed then to bad so sad for you.
3) the DNC played so much garbage on trump from even ten year old videos that they were doing nothing but a smear campaign so again to bad so sad.

You're just angry they all got caught out on their hypocrisy. Then Sanders gets caught out buying a half million dollar house with mystery money and his wife in under investigation for roping people off so your entire universe is crumbling. You're probably one of those loonies who were crying over the results all over YouTube.
Where oh where did I say I want poor people to suffer??? Lol

This is a usual tactic the left plays, next you'll just advise me of being a racist. You think throwing labels around buys you time in a debate because it stammers the person into defending fabricated accusations. Hey guess what that lost the left a presidential election, people don't care anymore but hey, old his die hard.

You are a lunatic and your rebuts pretty much stink.

And no the FBI did not but the tower, at least that's what comey said but hey ironically rice hushed up quick and disappeared.

I'm sorry for you. You are buying into this scary Russian fear mongering so easily.

Look up Clinton and skolkovo sometime.

I mean seriously look up the Clinton foundation and their connections.

Wake up my man

 

[nameless]

I'm sorry but so far Trump has YET to do anything I dont agree with. He has yet to say anything I dont really agree with.

This just shows that you're one of the most extreme of his supporters because some of his supporters are ditching him. At the rate things are going he will have lost over half of his supporters by the end of the year.

But you may still be there supporting him. And that's you're right. But it should tell you something when if we get to the point that over 50% of his supporters dump him and you're still supporting him. At that point you really should start asking yourself what kind of person you are and why you are part of the minority among his former large base of support that still supports him.

http://www.salon.com/2017/06/08/trump-is-losing-his-most-loyal-supporters-poll/

And this poll of voters in swing states shows that they are now embarrassed by him:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/politics/nbc-marist-poll-donald-trump/index.html

 

[swingline747]

This just shows that you're one of the most extreme of his supporters because some of his supporters are ditching him. He has lost some of his supporters. At the rate things are going he will have lost over half of his supporters by the end of the year.

But you may still be there supporting him. And that's you're right. But it should tell you something when if we get to the point that over 50% of his supporters dump him and you're still supporting him. At that point you really should start asking yourself what kind of person you are and why you are part of the minority among his former large base of support that still supports him.

http://www.salon.com/2017/06/08/trump-is-losing-his-most-loyal-supporters-poll/

And this poll of voters in swing states shows that they are now embarrassed by him:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/politics/nbc-marist-poll-donald-trump/index.html

1) don't believe everything you read, if the re election was tomorrow I'd garuntee he'd win again

2) can you say supporters one more time please