Some information for everyone on yr male pattern baldness pattern and propecia

[chewbaca]

Diffuse lossers: some of the hair is lost in early as one cycle and shows the scalp equivalent of "trees rooted from a forest" . With the rest of the hair being thick or yet to be lost....usually starts off from temples..most sufferers will have retained the hairline with minimal recede.Once propecia is taken,the hair which vanished begins to regrow and cover up giving a regrowth and better appearance. It may or may not lead to a slick head but usually over fairly long period of time

Diffuse thinners: Unlike diffuse lossers, this group suffers from the classic miniturisation syndrome. Their hair miniturises getting thinner and thinner in each cycle either all of the hair or DHT sensitive areas only or both.usually starts off from temples..most sufferers will have retained the hairline with minimal recede..Once propecia is taken, the hair which thinned over time begins to regrow thicker with each cycle and cover up giving a regrowth and better appearance.It may or may not lead to a slick head but usually over fairly long period of time

Propecia seems to work best with this group of sufferers.

Classic Norwood : Often classed as the Norwood male pattern baldness and imitating the Norwood scale chart. Hair usually starts with a sudden temple loss, thinning or shortened cycles before shedding and slowy gradutes to slick in specific areas ...always appears first in the front, vertex, and gradually extends to other areas. In this kind, the hairline takes a beating and a significant recede
Depending on the person, it usually progresses fast or slow..in most cases it seems to be slow and gradual. May or may not lead to slick bald but at least a Norwood 3 or more in most cases...

Propecia seems to work with varying success with this group of sufferers.


Overnight Baldness: Although rare, this form of male pattern baldness is the worst where a sudden huge loss of hair in the front, vertex both or the whole head at the same time appears resulting in sudden slick bald areas and stabilises or stops, only to restart the same fashion in another wave some time later eventually balding the whole top scalp.
Due to this characteristics, it is often called as "Overnight Baldness" in layman terms when a person wakes up the next morning to find a large amount of his hair has been lost overnight progressively very fast in a span of days to weeks. This form of severe male pattern baldness usually manifests in persons where "Baldness runs in their family"

Propecia has the lowest rates of success in this category though there have been reports that users have grown back a full head of hair from a slick bald or to a pattern of a diffuse sufferer

 

[OCD]

Is this your own opinion or can you reference it from somewhere?

 

[jeffsss]

obviously that's very useful and helpful..
but where did you get the information!?

it's nice to hear though since i'm a diffuse thnner. gives me ahope!

 

[chewbaca]

Is this your own opinion or can you reference it from somewhere?

I thnk it describes the general population and covers as much possibility of male pattern baldness.
I did not reference it from anywhere, I did my own research , anecdotal observations and presented them.

 

[jeffsss]

Is this your own opinion or can you reference it from somewhere?

I thnk it describes the general population and covers as much possibility of male pattern baldness.
I did not reference it from anywhere, I did my own research , anecdotal observations and presented them.

meh... in that case, not useful.

sorry.

 

[chewbaca]

from interviwing some of my close friends and relatives who were older in age and having slick bald or somewhat Norwood 4 i found out nearly all of them had suffered the Overnight baldness and nearly all of them have a history of severe male pattern baldness on their mum's side...as u may have guessed it, overnight baldness is cause by hyper sensitivity of AR receptors. .just like how u lose hair in your temples fast (temples loss is somewhat like OB)...some people with OB lose hair that fast all in a single day!

 

[chewbaca]

Is this your own opinion or can you reference it from somewhere?

I thnk it describes the general population and covers as much possibility of male pattern baldness.
I did not reference it from anywhere, I did my own research , anecdotal observations and presented them.

meh... in that case, not useful.

sorry.

hey ddue if u observe around u, most male pattern baldness will fit into these 3 and i think it covers as much possibility as well....Let;s ask some expereinced people like BRuyan for their comments.

 

[jeffsss]

Is this your own opinion or can you reference it from somewhere?

I thnk it describes the general population and covers as much possibility of male pattern baldness.
I did not reference it from anywhere, I did my own research , anecdotal observations and presented them.

meh... in that case, not useful.

sorry.

hey ddue if u observe around u, most male pattern baldness will fit into these 3 and i think it covers as much possibility as well....Let;s ask some expereinced people like BRuyan for their comments.

man.. since losing my hair i've seen MANY different cases of male pattern baldness.. there are way more than 3

receeding hair.. no vertex bald spot
receeding hair w/vertex bald spot
no receeding hair w/vertex bald spot
diffuse thinning in vertex area with no receednig hair line
diffuse frontal with no thinning in vertex
diffuse thinning all over
miniturization all over
miniturizatino in vertex area thick frontal


I mean the list goes on and on bro.. there are not just a couple categories.

 

[chewbaca]

Its pretty easy to indentify which u are suffering from..usually diffuse people will have somewhat an intact hairline with "scalp" showing in the light..another strong indication is the hair somehow does not grow long as before when it sheds...(medium lenght hairs)
.it means they have diffuse male pattern baldness, not classic Norwood fashioned male pattern baldness.

 

[Johnny24601]

re:

I did not have any idea that I was slowly balding over a number of years. Once I accepted that I had male pattern baldness, I had to look back at old photos to confirm that I was losing it for a long time. If I had not looked at old photos then I would have thought I fit into the "overnight baldness" category because I had no idea this was going on for a long time because my hair was never something I focused on.
What is my point? I believe your definitiions are highly subjective. I believe that a huge majority of male pattern baldness sufferers are effected over a long period of time. Some notice some do not Certainly the time line differs for each patient, but this is mostly a progressive condition not acute, in my opinion of course.

 

[chewbaca]

Is this your own opinion or can you reference it from somewhere?

I thnk it describes the general population and covers as much possibility of male pattern baldness.
I did not reference it from anywhere, I did my own research , anecdotal observations and presented them.

meh... in that case, not useful.

sorry.

hey ddue if u observe around u, most male pattern baldness will fit into these 3 and i think it covers as much possibility as well....Let;s ask some expereinced people like BRuyan for their comments.

man.. since losing my hair i've seen MANY different cases of male pattern baldness.. there are way more than 3

receeding hair.. no vertex bald spot
receeding hair w/vertex bald spot
no receeding hair w/vertex bald spot
diffuse thinning in vertex area with no receednig hair line
diffuse frontal with no thinning in vertex
diffuse thinning all over
miniturization all over
miniturizatino in vertex area thick frontal


I mean the list goes on and on bro.. there are not just a couple categories.

I believe i have included them there....to.u just have to read my reference carefully.. it is classic Norwood fashion.....let me include one more

 

[chewbaca]

Re: re:

I did not have any idea that I was slowly balding over a number of years. Once I accepted that I had male pattern baldness, I had to look back at old photos to confirm that I was losing it for a long time. If I had not looked at old photos then I would have thought I fit into the "overnight baldness" category because I had no idea this was going on for a long time because my hair was never something I focused on.
What is my point? I believe your definitiions are highly subjective. I believe that a huge majority of male pattern baldness sufferers are effected over a long period of time. Some notice some do not Certainly the time line differs for each patient, but this is mostly a progressive condition not acute, in my opinion of course.

"Overnight Baldness" does happen but usually to a small segment of the male pattern baldness population. 1 of my uncles frens progressed from Nw0 to Norwood 3-4 in a few days- a week!
He fits into this category. the keyword here is the TIME period and the wave pattern, not how u lose hair, u can lose in the Norwood fashion, or diffuse loss...

 

[jeffsss]

Re: re:

I did not have any idea that I was slowly balding over a number of years. Once I accepted that I had male pattern baldness, I had to look back at old photos to confirm that I was losing it for a long time. If I had not looked at old photos then I would have thought I fit into the "overnight baldness" category because I had no idea this was going on for a long time because my hair was never something I focused on.
What is my point? I believe your definitiions are highly subjective. I believe that a huge majority of male pattern baldness sufferers are effected over a long period of time. Some notice some do not Certainly the time line differs for each patient, but this is mostly a progressive condition not acute, in my opinion of course.

"Overnight Baldness" does happen but usually to a small segment of the male pattern baldness population. 1 of my uncles frens progressed from Nw0 to Norwood 3-4 in a few days- a week!
He fits into this category. the keyword here is the TIME period and the wave pattern, not how u lose hair, u can lose in the Norwood fashion, or diffuse loss...

never heard of that happening..

i'd think it'd be impossible unless you were undergoing chemo or somthg

 

[returnoftheshedi]

i'd like to hear from people who suffer diffuse miniaturization and have had regrowth with propecia. what makes you say that propecia works best for this group? i have never heard that before. in fact, i think it is the opposite.

 

[Siberian]

i'd like to hear from people who suffer diffuse miniaturization and have had regrowth with propecia. what makes you say that propecia works best for this group? i have never heard that before. in fact, i think it is the opposite.

I'm guessing because diffuse thinners (raises hand) still have hair in the the thinned areas. Propecia does a great job of improving what's already there, but a bad job at regrowing something from nothing (receded areas).

I like the descriptions, as when I first joined this forum and saw the norwood diagrams, I thought I was a freak (jury is still out on this), lol, as I didn't fit. If you saw me in person, face to face, you really wouldn't know I was fighting a balding problem. My hairline, at least in the center, is intact. Temples go back a bit, but they're "fuzzy" and filling in again.

Now, if you stood on a stool and looked down on me with a flashlight, you'd KNOW I was balding, lol. But being 6'2", few people have this vantage point in real life, lol...

 

[Aplunk1]

Man, I'd love to be 6'2".

As for me, I began Propecia when I had absolutely no thinning. Now I would classify myself as being a diffuse thinner with a receded hairline. I was a Norwood 2 for a while, and I'm probably about a Norwood 1.25 or so now. However, the density is a different story.

Since my treatment with Propecia, I am considerably below baseline. I'm now starting to see some regrowth from my intensive treatment regime, but it's extremely obvious under any bright light (or sunlight) that I'm balding.

It wouldn't be so bad if I had consistent hairloss over my head-- but that's not the case. Actually, if you were to look closely under the light, I have the formation of the dreaded "island" there.

That's awful... And it's somewhat difficult to ascertain the reason why. Not my father or my grandfathers ever had the island.

My brother, who is now 23, is about to have his entire island cut off. That scares me... But he's never been on treatment and thinks it's stupid...

I wonder what's in store for me.

At least I can say that I'm experiencing overall a slow general thickening of my hair, which is likely if you're shelling out about $150/mo. on hairloss products.

 

[Siberian]

Man, I'd love to be 6'2".

LOL, well I think it *sucks*. Sounds fun in theory, but in practice it makes me feel even more ungainly and awkward than I already am. I hate feeling like I "stand out." Luckily, kids are getting taller and taller, so it's not really that tall at all anymore. I even keep seeing girls 6'+ now and then. But seriously... make me 5'10ish and I'd be a much happier camper

Actually, if you were to look closely under the light, I have the formation of the dreaded "island" there.

What is this "island" thing everyone speaks of? You mean you keep a strong patch at the front hairline, while balding around and behind it? If so, that's my pattern, but I think it's a GOOD thing, as you can't really see my thinning... it's hidden behind the good hair still.

 

[Aplunk1]

Yes, that's it. An area where the hair is more dense, yet still thin.

 

[hairwegoagain]

Yes, that's it. An area where the hair is more dense, yet still thin.

LOL....Letterman once referred to this as his "peninsula."

 

[returnoftheshedi]

Yes, that's it. An area where the hair is more dense, yet still thin.

you can't see that in your pics. but actually, you really can't see anything in your pics. no offense, but why are you taking so much time to keep a photo journal with what looks to be a 1 megapixel camera phone?