Snap...I gots the gyno..

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Note, on one previous occasion six months ago when I was just starting out I got it into my head that I had developed gyno after a couple of days of treatment. Which of course I had not. So I have a bit of history of panicking about this. Although in my defense I was clueless back then. Didnt know gyno after two days was silly, and didnt even really know what to look for.

With that in mind, I think this time I am really developing it. My nipples definitely look larger to me. I have been on 1.25mg finasteride for 5.5 months. (Stopped ten days ago due to this.) Pics are from about ten days ago too. What do you think?

I dont know if I have developed lumpiness. If I have it is not very obvious even to the touch. I cant really tell and I am reluctant to say because of my "inventive" history.

Unfortunately I never thought to take pics of my chest six months ago when I started finasteride. I dont know if you guys can even help without being able to make a comparison. Please take a look at the pics anyway though and see what you think. As you can see, I am not obese, but I am far from mr 8% body fat, which doesnt help when trying to figure it out. Its really the nipples that Im looking at though, not the whole of the breasts.

I have not experienced any other sides. If there had been even a hint I would mention it. (Actually I did get the temporary boost in libido for a couple of weeks or so at the beginning that seems common.)

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One more observation, I have not had any itching and I dont think I have had pain.

BTW, how long does it take for DHT and estrogen to return to baseline after quitting finasteride? Also, if the puffiness goes down on its own (I read its possible if you stop the hormone stimulation) how long might that take? If it wont go on its own, what should I try? That topical that gets mentioned here? (Called something like Andactrim?)

 

[Ende]

If you don't feel any lumps around your nipples and towards the armpits, you don't have gynecomastia. These lumps hurt when they grow. Have you had any pain? All hormone levels returns to baseline values within two weeks after the last Propecia pill. Andractim is the most effective treatment for gynecomastia.

 

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Thanks for the response. How large/obvious should I expect the lumps to be? How much should they hurt? If I have either of these things it is so mild that I really cant be sure. Does that mean I dont have them? I mean, should it be really obvious, like there is no doubt? Or is it possible I quit very early before the lumps/pain became noticeable?

Still, I thought you could have the puffy nipple gyno without these lumps. Is that not true?

Im starting to second guess myself now. I was so sure. Now Im wondering if its in my head again. Dont my nipples look big to you? (lol, sorry to ask man.)

 

[Ende]

If you're not sure, you don't have gynecomastia, man - but if you really want to have peace of mind, I suggest you see a GP, and let him/her take a look at your breasts.

 

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Thanks for the info. I think Im going to get back on finasteride at a reduced dose for now and just monitor. Starting to feel really silly now. I thought I was a rational guy.

Thanks again.

 

[Rawtashk]

Get some zinc, it's an aromatase inhibitor.

 

[waldo]

it is very unlikely that you have noticeable gyno, if any at all. what bothers comsetically is the very normal layer of fat under the skin, that accumulates on certain parts of the toros (belly and tits). i can guarantee you, at a very low body fat percentage your pectorals would look impeccable.

 

[Rawtashk]

Do p90x for 90 days. You'll drop down to 10% body fat and be able to tell easily if you've "gots the gyno"

 

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Thanks for the further responses guys. I have been thinking about it a bit more in the last couple of days. Im still not 100% sure I dont have puffier nipples but im also very conscious that its probably in my head (again.)

Anyway, this has been an appropriate opportunity for reflection/reevaluation for me. I read somewhere that excess fat on the abs/chest can increase estrogen due to increased aromatase enzyme. Is that true? Also lack of exercise can too? That sounds to me like it could create a bit of a vicious cycle.

Anyway, regardless, Im going to just get in better shape for general reasons as well as possible finasteride side preventative measures. My diet and activity have been truly awful for the last nine months, and I am also now the wrong side of 30 so I assume I am not going to be able to wing it for too much longer in the weight department. (Or just the general health department.)

I have just got this Alive! Multi-Vit which also contains 15mg of zinc. In addition I got this Calc, Mag, Zinc sup with which I can up my zinc in 5mg increments. So in total I could have upto 30mg zinc plus whatever is in my diet.

Im looking right now at this p90x on youtube. Not sure what to make of it yet. A lot of people say its good though. Not sure how to proceed activity wise yet. Definitely need some muscle though. I think I have replaced some muscle with fat over the last few lazy years.

Going to start the finasteride again on Monday. I will have been off it for 15 days. Not sure if I will go straight to 1.25mg or whether to try 0.8mg or even 0.4mg. Part of me wants to go right back to 1.25mg and see if something more obvious happens in nipple area. Im still wondering if I just quit finasteride early enough that the gyno symptoms are just not very obvious yet. We will see.

Anyway, thanks for all the help guys. Im excited to get on with everything.

Man, I wish info about CB was more free flowing

 

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BTW you really think I could get to 10% bf in 90 days? Im 6' and about 190lb. I would guess Im about 20% bf right now. Seems amazing to be able to get down to 10% in 90 days. Discipline would not be a problem for me with something like that, its just I have never taken the greatest interest in fitness so I have just never been anywhere near 10%. Maybe I am just naive in what can be achieved.

 

[Ende]

Puffy nipples aren't anything to worry about, but it's a sign of increased estrogen level.

Fat cells contains aromatase enzymes, yes.

 

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Ah, both things good to confirm. Thanks Enden.

 

[virtuality]

Looking at your pics, I wouldnt say you have gyno.

If you are unsure, see a doctor.

 

[Rawtashk]

In response to your question about body fat%

Me at the start

90 days later

My entire story is here
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65594&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
With pics on page 1, 4, and 5

 

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Jesus, that is amazing. I would guess Im starting at a little higher body fat than you, but its clearly not going to matter much in the scheme of things. That is an amazing transformation. Just shows you what some discipline can do. Excellent work. Even your face looks so much better. Thanks for the tip on this stuff.

Ill look into that program and working out in general this week. I used to run for fun/the buzz, but resistance training is not something ive paid much attention to before.

Thanks everyone.

Im gunna take new pics of my chest when I restart finasteride on Monday though