Smokers keep their hair?

[peter079]

I have often noticed that smokers seem to have good hair, and that the ones that started early ( eg. age 14,15,16) and continued have kept their well into their 50's.

For those that started smoking later in life ( eg. after 25), or gave up for some time, may or may not have kept hair.

For those that started balding before starting smoking, kept loosing hair.

Just something I noticed, may not mean anything.

Anyone on here started smoking young ( I mean consistent smoking from age 14/15/16) and still started loosing their hair in their early 20's to about NW5/NW6/NW7? ( I mean REAL hairloss, not just slight temple recession)?

I have also seen some guys in their late 40's early 50's with the kind of hair ( light coloured, wavy, wispy) that you know that should have started thinning, but because they have been smoking all their lives have kept it.
Just something I have noticed in my ten years of hair spotting.

Any thoughts? Could be way off the mark here.

Maybe, something in the smoke (nicotine) acts as a dht/ alpha5reductase blocker, or testosterone reducer, or does something to the immune system, or the act of smoking reduces stress levels? Nicotinic acid is a powerful vasilidator. I am not a smoker, and it's too late to start now. Dying prematurely of cancer with a great mop is also a bummer.

 

[Artas]

My dad started smoking around 18 he was already losing his hair, however he lived with his mum and dad who smoked excessively and he obviously would have taken in a lot of that smoke and he is now NW7...

 

[s.a.f]

LOl got any evidence of this?
My Grandfather smoked since the age of 12 and was bald in his 20's. I know at least 10 bald smokers.

Yet another dumb thread from someones observations. :thumbdown2: Dont people think before they post?

 

[Hoppi]

hehe this is an unusual one

I thought smoking both increased DHT and was vasoconstrictive, so was a big no-no.

However, god knows, we would need to do some research I think

 

[cuebald]

I know a smoker who was NW6 at 20. NW6 before I had even started shaving.

 

[sgtpep]

started at 14/15, was "going thin" at 16.

 

[uncomfortable man]

One of my favorite pastimes is smoking while masturbating at the same time...I guess that's why I'm an nw5, right hoppi? :whistle:

 

[peter079]

That's interesting uncomfortable man.

I also believe that starting masturbating at a young age (12/13) and doing it very often, will make you more prone to loosing your hair (diffused,aggresive hairloss) in your early 20's if you are prone to hairloss and DHT. Where as if you started later (16-) and not very often, you would not loose your hair till later in life (eg. 40's) even if you have the male pattern baldness gene.

 

[s.a.f]

^ Yeah ok mate :roll:

 

[Hoppi]

That's interesting uncomfortable man.

I also believe that starting masturbating at a young age (12/13) and doing it very often, will make you more prone to loosing your hair (diffused,aggresive hairloss) in your early 20's if you are prone to hairloss and DHT. Where as if you started later (16-) and not very often, you would not loose your hair till later in life (eg. 40's) even if you have the male pattern baldness gene.

Yeah I think there's some truth in at least theories along these lines. I think the T/DHT/E balance is very important.

 

[Boondock]

That's interesting uncomfortable man.

I also believe that starting masturbating at a young age (12/13) and doing it very often, will make you more prone to loosing your hair (diffused,aggresive hairloss) in your early 20's if you are prone to hairloss and DHT. Where as if you started later (16-) and not very often, you would not loose your hair till later in life (eg. 40's) even if you have the male pattern baldness gene.

Yeah I think there's some truth in at least theories along these lines. I think the T/DHT/E balance is very important.

C'mon Hopps, seriously??

 

[bunchies]

the mastrubation thingie is ridiculous .

I have 2 mates that always used to talk about mastrubation and theyre the kind of guys that spank the monkey more than 2 times a day sometimes ...

One of them is going bald and is Norwood 2-3 at age 20 and the other one is a solid nw1 at age 21 .

The one that is balding has a decent beard and the other one almost has none tho ..

Anyway you cant just conclude that mastrubation is the cause of hairloss .

 

[Artas]

Body hair is the best way to have some indication whether someone will go bald in the future. Everyone I have seen with excessive amounts of body hair are bald. That is why I think reducing testosterone is a key part to help slow hair loss down.

 

[s.a.f]

Body hair is the best way to have some indication whether someone will go bald in the future.

More bollocks, :thumbdown2: there are as many hairy backed NW1's as there are smooth skinned baldies. George Michael, Simon Cowell, Hasselhoff ...) Stop posting your own theories. I could just as easily say everyone I see driving a Ford has hairloss or people who like to play golf always seem to hairloss.
Everyone who knows anything at all about hairloss knows high levels of testosterone is'nt even a factor in m.p.b its all down to the follicles sensitivity.

 

[Nene]

Body hair is the best way to have some indication whether someone will go bald in the future.

More bollocks, :thumbdown2: there are as many hairy backed NW1's as there are smooth skinned baldies. George Michael, Simon Cowell, Hasselhoff ...) Stop posting your own theories. I could just as easily say everyone I see driving a Ford has hairloss or people who like to play golf always seem to hairloss.
Everyone who knows anything at all about hairloss knows high levels of testosterone is'nt even a factor in m.p.b its all down to the follicles sensitivity.

I wouldn't go as far as to say body hair is the best indication of whether someone will go bald. However, I do feel like there is a correlation. There are plenty of hairy Norwood 1s and vice versa, however based on my observation, (obviously not scientific) hairy people seem to be at a higher risk, this is the case in my family. My father has almost no body hair and is Norwood 1 at 57, this is the same case with his father. Out of my best friends, two with little body hair are norwood 1s and the one with aggressive hair loss is hairy as hell. I've got one buddy though who is 27 and pushing norwood 3 and he isn't very hair at all. In my case, I seem to get hairier as I get balder

 

[cuebald]

Yeah, it logically makes sense to believe that baldies have higher DHT levels, leading to increased body hair and decreased scalp hair, but looking around people I know shows me that this isn't the case.

It must be more down to the follicle's sensitivity rather than body DHT levels.

An anecdotal for me, the hairiest guy I know had a full beard and chest hair when I met him at 15 (I only had underarm and pube hair at that age), and now at 25 he's hairy practically all over and still has the same thick NW1 he had at 15 (while I am pushing NW4 and I still don't have any chest hair!). This guy never smoked.

I knew a guy who lost at 19 or 20, went basically straight to NW5 in a year and a half. This dude is also very overweight, but he again isn't very hairy. No chest hairs. Perhaps he has average (or slightly lower than) levels of DHT but has exceptionally sensitive follicles. This guy has been a smoker since he was 13.

Another guy I know with next to no body hair still has a NW1, and has very femme facial characteristics (no adams apple, small chin/nose, etc) - he could have averagely sensitive follicles but very low DHT levels.

The point I am making is that for me, I believe male pattern baldness is determined 80% by the follicles sensitivity to DHT, 19% the levels of circulating DHT, and 1% external factors (granted, I pulled these numbers out of a hat, they're not scientific). Smoking would have such a low effect as to be negligible.

I believe that heavy alcohol/morphine/heroin use can SLOW male pattern baldness down like another anti-androgen would, by lowering the levels of DHT/Testosterone - but it won't let a genetic NW6 be a NW1 (or vice versa).

 

[Hoppi]

That's interesting uncomfortable man.

I also believe that starting masturbating at a young age (12/13) and doing it very often, will make you more prone to loosing your hair (diffused,aggresive hairloss) in your early 20's if you are prone to hairloss and DHT. Where as if you started later (16-) and not very often, you would not loose your hair till later in life (eg. 40's) even if you have the male pattern baldness gene.

Yeah I think there's some truth in at least theories along these lines. I think the T/DHT/E balance is very important.

C'mon Hopps, seriously??

I would imagine that anything that has the potential to influence sex hormone levels (particularly making them lean more towards DHT) has the capacity to affect male pattern baldness in people who are susceptible, don't you think?

 

[Artas]

Body hair is the best way to have some indication whether someone will go bald in the future.

More bollocks, :thumbdown2: there are as many hairy backed NW1's as there are smooth skinned baldies. George Michael, Simon Cowell, Hasselhoff ...) Stop posting your own theories. I could just as easily say everyone I see driving a Ford has hairloss or people who like to play golf always seem to hairloss.
Everyone who knows anything at all about hairloss knows high levels of testosterone is'nt even a factor in m.p.b its all down to the follicles sensitivity.

Yes, but aren't they earning millions?

They could have suffered from hair loss, but decided to keep it private and have their own private treatments without letting the media know anything about it. You say they are smooth skinned baldies but they could have had body hair removal and all sorts. I am not saying everyone who go bald have hairy bodies, but they are a very strong correlation between them both.

 

[s.a.f]

Body hair is the best way to have some indication whether someone will go bald in the future.

More bollocks, :thumbdown2: there are as many hairy backed NW1's as there are smooth skinned baldies. George Michael, Simon Cowell, Hasselhoff ...) Stop posting your own theories. I could just as easily say everyone I see driving a Ford has hairloss or people who like to play golf always seem to hairloss.
Everyone who knows anything at all about hairloss knows high levels of testosterone is'nt even a factor in m.p.b its all down to the follicles sensitivity.

Yes, but aren't they earning millions?

They could have suffered from hair loss, but decided to keep it private and have their own private treatments without letting the media know anything about it. You say they are smooth skinned baldies but they could have had body hair removal and all sorts. I am not saying everyone who go bald have hairy bodies, but they are a very strong correlation between them both.

Yeah I'm sure that George Michael, Cowell and Hasselhoff who are all around 50 btw are probably NW7's really its just a coincidence that there no evidence whatsoever to show that any of them have been losing hair despite being famous since the early 80's. Especially since treatments are not that effective and have only been widely available for less than a decade. You are talking shite!!!

 

[Autumn Sundown]

My dad started smoking at 13 and started losing at 18-19. He's a NW5 at 50. He also has an average amount of body hair.
My uncle never smoked and only started losing his hair in his 40's. He's probably the hairiest person I've ever seen, I didn't think it could be possible to have that much hair on your back.