SM04554 Phase 2 results

buckthorn · Mar 7, 2016

Swoop.. watcha think man? how is this not optimistic? if hair counts continually increase in a linear fashion, this would be huge, no?

Follisket · Mar 7, 2016

So who do we have to rob/hack to get our hands on the formula? C'mon, let's go-go-go.

We're balding. A friendly reminder it's believed to be irreversible.

It's final and yet we're doing f all. What the actual coitus?

whatevr · Mar 7, 2016

Because outside of criminal activites there isn't much you can do. What do you suggest? Going all mission impossible on the lab? And then what, who do you take the formula to? Can you imagine the price? Just look how expensive CB and Seti still are which have been out in the open for a long time.

I'd be more interested in a group buy for dutasteride at this point.

hellouser · Mar 7, 2016

whatevr said:
Because outside of criminal activites there isn't much you can do. What do you suggest? Going all mission impossible on the lab? And then what, who do you take the formula to? Can you imagine the price? Just look how expensive CB and Seti still are which have been out in the open for a long time.

I'd be more interested in a group buy for dutasteride at this point.

SETI is relatively cheap. CB on the other hand... is expensive.

nameless · Mar 7, 2016

hellouser said:
SETI is relatively cheap. CB on the other hand... is expensive.

+1 about SETI. I don't understand how someone could call SETI expensive. I don't know how much CB costs.

Afro_Vacancy · Mar 7, 2016

How much is SETI?

Follisket · Mar 7, 2016

whatevr said:
What do you suggest? Going all mission impossible on the lab?

You make it sound so preposterous.

*slowly puts away his colour-coordinated spy gear*

paleocapa89 · Mar 7, 2016

He will lead the mission

whatevr · Mar 8, 2016

Nice chest donor area.

20legend · Mar 8, 2016

We should try to contact Samumed and get some additional info. Maybe they could tell us why there were so optimistic about just 10% increase in hair counts. There might be something more to it.

Hellouser had spoken to them at the conference. So maybe he might be able to send a short email.

whatevr · Mar 8, 2016

AFAIK there are like 100,000 hair follicles on your head. Let's say that 50% of that is on the top of the head. That's 50,000. If the 10% increase is constant, that means you'd get an increase of 5000 hair follicles over your head. Isn't that like a pretty solid hair transplant?

Hairloss23 · Mar 8, 2016

whatevr said:
AFAIK there are like 100,000 hair follicles on your head. Let's say that 50% of that is on the top of the head. That's 50,000. If the 10% increase is constant, that means you'd get an increase of 5000 hair follicles over your head. Isn't that like a pretty solid hair transplant?

Yes and that was other just a 3 month period of treatment. It's crazy how some people are viewing this as a failure.

Pavi · Mar 8, 2016

Hairloss23 said:
Yes and that was other just a 3 month period of treatment. It's crazy how some people are viewing this as a failure.

People suggested that this drug wouldn't even go to market now lol

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It boils down to this: this drug was tested in 302 men... A decent sample size. And it grew 10% hair in high Norwoods... That is pretty dang good. Oh, and not to mention this was 3 months! Originally I wasn't excited about these results but now I am. Imagine this drug at 6-12 months in conjunction with minoxidil!

spring15 · Mar 9, 2016

Okay.. so right after the Phase 2 results were released everyone was contemplating suicide.. Now have we all come to our senses and realised the results aren't so bad?

Bukowski · Mar 9, 2016

Pavi said:
People suggested that this drug wouldn't even go to market now lol

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It boils down to this: this drug was tested in 302 men... A decent sample size. And it grew 10% hair in high Norwoods... That is pretty dang good. Oh, and not to mention this was 3 months! Originally I wasn't excited about these results but now I am. Imagine this drug at 6-12 months in conjunction with minoxidil!

Minoxidil is crap for most.

Dolph · Mar 9, 2016

Even if increase is 0%, if it can maintain without sides, it's a huge deal. Too bad all our hair will be gone by the time it reaches market, but it's definitely promising!

potato87 · Mar 9, 2016

So I know it's not Britains top journalists but the Sun states "A spokesperson for Sasumed confirmed they will be continuing to test the drug by carrying out larger trials." Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6985975/Take-off-the-wig-First-hair-loss-drug-to-be-tested-on-humans-is-a-success-so-far.html

Afro_Vacancy · Mar 9, 2016

Has it actually been confirmed that this drug doesn't have side effects, or is just speculation based on the promise of the theory?

firstpost · Mar 9, 2016

David_MPN said:
Has it actually been confirmed that this drug doesn't have side effects, or is just speculation based on the promise of the theory?

https://www.samumed.com/files/2016/AGA_Post-AAD_Press_Release_03062016_FINAL.pdf

" SM04554 appeared to be safe and well - tolerated. There were no serious adverse events (SAE) observed in the treatment groups, and the incidence of adverse events (AE) was similar between treatment and control groups."

tellersquill · Mar 9, 2016

New article that explains what it is: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...Hope-millions-new-drug-reverse-hair-loss.html

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