Should i try Tricomin?

[MJT82]

I get my American Crew Revitalize products from http://www.mensroombarbershop.com . From my research it has always been the best price and its always in-stock. I suppose some place could be cheaper, but I haven't seen it yet.

 

[ttwarrior1]

ive never tried any product ever dude

 

[LookingGood!]

I think that may be possible. I cant say that I have the same hair as I did in 1999 or that I do not but I have managed to keep the majority to still be classified as a NW2. My dermatologist thinks that it is stable with the attitude well if it isnt broke dont fix it. So I am in this unusual position where if I go off it may fall out drastically or if I stay on then I maintain. I wont take any chances. I am leary to try dutasuride as I have heard there is alot of shedding. I'm puzzled!

 

[jumpedthegun]

just purchased some ac revitalize spray from drugstore.com.

i bought it online around 4:00pm on Friday. they processed my order and put it in the mail the same day and i got it on monday. freaking fast. and the shipping was free. i definitely recommend.

last time i ordered from sleekhair.com. slightly cheaper price, but once you add shipping it was more expensive, and it took about a week to receive it. and there was no safety wrapping on the bottle, which made me wonder if it could have been tampered with.

i also bought a bottle of tricomin, just to compare. though, i can't remember where i bought it from. oh yeah, never mind, i got it from the tricomin website, duh. haven't received it yet.

 

[beaner]

I could be wrong, but I believe I've heard that the AC Revitalize doesn't have the same concentration of copper peptides as Tricomin......heard that the Tricomin is stronger even though AC licenses the formula from Procyte. I have both and personally I prefer the Tricomin over the AC. I think the Tricomin leaves my hair looking nicer and doesn't have the "sweet" smell the AC has....not that it's a bad smell, just a little to perfumey for my tastes. I wish the Tri had the price of AC though.

 

[jumpedthegun]

i bought a bottle of tricomin at the same time as american crew, and i just got the tricomin this weekend.

i was surprised to find that the two products are practically the same. they both use the same copper peptide formula, licensed to ac by tricomin. and all the other ingredients are the same too, except that american crew also contains green tea, saw palmetto, and a cologne scent.

however, i was even more surprised to find that ac listed the tri-amino copper peptide as the third ingredient, whereas tricomin listed it near the end. doesn't the order of ingredients reflect how much is used? thus, ac would have more copper peptides than tricomin!!

 

[beaner]

i bought a bottle of tricomin at the same time as american crew, and i just got the tricomin this weekend.

i was surprised to find that the two products are practically the same. they both use the same copper peptide formula, licensed to ac by tricomin. and all the other ingredients are the same too, except that american crew also contains green tea, saw palmetto, and a cologne scent.

however, i was even more surprised to find that ac listed the tri-amino copper peptide as the third ingredient, whereas tricomin listed it near the end. doesn't the order of ingredients reflect how much is used? thus, ac would have more copper peptides than tricomin!!

I don't believe the order of ingredients makes a difference. AC definitely does not have more copper peptides than Tricomin. Anyone else want to vouch for that? A couple reasons I state this is I'm positive I've read it somewhere......also find it hard to believe that Procyte would license the formula to AC, allow them to make it better/stronger, and then sell it for $20 less a bottle.

 

[jumpedthegun]

"Regulations enacted under the FPLA require ingredients to be listed on the labels of cosmetics sold on a retail basis to consumers -- even if the label states "For professional use only." Consumers can use the ingredient declaration to identify ingredients they wish to avoid. Ingredients are listed in descending order of predominance, that is, with the ingredient present in the greatest amount listed at the beginning and those present in the smallest amounts listed at the end." (emphasis added)

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-labl.html

 

[jumpedthegun]

As you can see below, both have water, alcohol, nonoxynol-10, amodimethicone, panthenol, tallowtrimonium Chloride, Linoleamidopropyl Ethyl, Polysorbate 60, Dimethyl Lauramine Isostearate, and Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide Copper HCI.

However, ac has the copper peptide listed as the third ingredient after water and alcohol; whereas tricomin has it listed as the twelth ingredient.

Ingredients for Tricomin:
Purified Water, SD Alcohol 40B, Amodimethicone, Nonoxynol-10, Panthenol, Polyquaternium-11, Polysorbate 60, Tallowtrimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, Dimethyl Lauramine Isostearate, Linoleamidopropyl Ethyl Trimonium Ethosulfate, Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide Copper HCI, Methylparaben, Benzalkonium Chloride, Menthol, FD&C Blue #1.

Ingredients for American Crew:
Solution: Water, Alcohol Denat., Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide Copper HCL, Quaternium 23, Amodimethicone, Nonoxynol-10, Tallowtrimonium Chloride, Dimethyl Lauramine Isostearate, Linoleamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Benzethonium Chloride, Panthenol (Provitamin B5 Source), Polysorbate 60, Camelia Sinensis Leaf Extract (Green Tea Source), Serenoa Serrulata Fruit Extract (Palmetto Fruit Extract Source), Citric Acid (Molasses Source), Disodium EDTA, Fragrance, Methylparaben, Ethylparaben, Phenoxyethanol, Blue 1 (Cl 42090).

 

[beaner]

Regardless...I still maintain that AC does not have a stronger concentration of copper peptides than Tricomin. Anyone?

 

[jumpedthegun]

i hope that's true because i want to start using tricomin instead of ac.

however, the copper peptide ingredient is the same in both products--Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide Copper HCI--and based on the list of ingredients, ac uses more of it in its bottle.

it's possible that tricomin licensed a less effective form of the peptide. but you can't assume that just because of the difference in price.

 

[jumpedthegun]

the rumor that it is less effective probably came from this:

"HairlossTalk: What exactly will be different about these new American Crew products in comparison to Tricomin®?

RCarmichael: Probably the concentrations are going to be different, and the various ingredients that they put in their formulations will be different."

However, this doesn't mean that tricomin licensed a different and less effective form of the copper peptide technology, but just that ac MIGHT use less of it in their products, depending on what they want their products to achieve.

As RCarmichael stated, "I think that American Crew will probably look more towards performance based styling ability and some of the other aspects that you see in salon products as they incorporate our technology into some of their products."

And the difference in price makes sense. As good as Tricomin may be, they never completed FDA trials, and so it is hard for them to break into the market amongst all the other non-fda hairloss products. Licensing their technology to ac allows them to market their product under a proven and successful brand name. however, the price is determined by the market, and both procyte and american crew know that nobody is going to walk into a salon and pay 50 bucks for an american crew product.

here's the link to those quotes...
http://hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article149.htm

 

[Felk]

One thing i still don't understand about copper peptides in general:

Does keeping the hair constantly in the "growth stage" cause any damage to the hair over time? Because wouldn't powering one stage of the hair cycle 24/7 accelerate the whole hair loss process?

Probably no, but i'd like to know why not

Im thinking of throwing in a copper peptide in my maintainence regimen. Though ill have to use finasteride alone for a year first to see that its working for me, before i throw other things in the mix to mess up my results.

This really annoys me, as i really want to use spironolactone as soon as possible, because im a hairline receder.

 

[Def]

Well - it's not conclusive, but there is this earlier thread to go by:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... 2b1ec983a9

 

[Felk]

One thing i still don't understand about copper peptides in general:

Does keeping the hair constantly in the "growth stage" cause any damage to the hair over time? Because wouldn't powering one stage of the hair cycle 24/7 accelerate the whole hair loss process?

Probably no, but i'd like to know why not.

(just bumping this... )

 

[Bryan]

What makes you think it keeps it CONSTANTLY in the "growth stage"? I would never be so bold as to make such an assumption...

Bryan