Should I take propecia? (21 yrs old, w/pics of hair)

Thickandthin

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I've been noticing hairloss since I was about 16/17 years old. It was extremely minor at the time, but due to my adolescent insecurities, I was completely freaked out/depressed by it. I thought I was going to have a bald spot like my dad (who is probably a NW5) before I graduated high school. Well, high school came and went and my hair stayed thick as ever. Two things did happen though (not just in my imagination) - my hairline on one side creeped up a tiny bit, and I started shedding constantly (which still happens to this day, obviously).

Thankfully, I was blessed with a rather enormous amount of hair. If I was indeed beginning to bald back then, I had so much on top that it was impossible to tell. I quit thinking about hair loss for 3-4 years at that point and thought I was in the clear.

Unfortunately, my brother who is 4 1/2 years older soon began to notice a slight, slight bald spot beginning to form on the back of his head. I say slight because I don't think it's noticeable, but apparently his friends started giving him crap about it (big surprise, huh). I didn't think much of it until I went swimming with him and noticed that when wet, his hair in the front was pretty thin. I then put two and two together and realized that while him and I have had similar haircuts our entire lives, his had recently changed. He was wearing his bangs in a strange long "swoop" across his forehead instead of short and straight down. I assume this was to cover the recession at the temples and the lack of hair to complete the bangs.

When I saw a picture of my dad at his wedding at the age of 22 I realized my brother had probably been balding since the same age, because my dads hairline was less than perfect in this picture - I had just never noticed it on my brother because of his hairstyle (my dads hair was combed back in the picture). But with age, it was becoming obvious.

And now, at the age of 21 I believe I am following exactly in their footsteps. Since high school, I'd say my hairline has slowly been creeping back the entire time but so slowly I could never tell except when years had passed. But now (since Summer 07), my hairline has been receding at a quicker pace. At first it was only on the one side that had receded years earlier, but now the other side is catching up. I'm also beginning to wear my hair in the "swoop" pattern like my brother because I simply don't have enough hair to properly comb it down on my forehead. It's kinda sad because at my last haircut I got it cut pretty short, and the woman actually told me I probably wouldn't be able to pull off bangs for much longer because of the recession, lol. She left the corners longer and I combed them forward, masking the hairloss. But now just a few months later I'm not sure that's even possibly anymore.

Anyway, if you've read this far congrats and much thanks. Here's the pics so you can have a visual of what I'm talking about. They were taken with a crappy cameraphone, but its the best I've got for now.

Recession on both corners. This picture was a wake up call, because it definitely did not look like this just a few months ago.



Hairline relaxed. Not too bad but thin even in non recessed areas.



Crown. This is where my brother at 26 has a slight bald spot, and where my dad is almost completely bald. I can't tell if I'm thinning back here yet.


Combed down. Still thick.



Lame photoshop attempt but you can see what I'm talking about. See how thick my hair is in the back? It used to be like that all over. You can see how it progressively gets thinner toward the front. You can also see the hair on the side brushed forward to cover up bald spot in bangs.



And finally, here is my hair 3 years ago, at the beach after high school graduation. And to think I was worried about balding with this head of hair!


To me that picture is confirmation that I have thinned/am thinning, because I have nowhere near that much hair anymore, especially in the front.

With all that said (and shown), do you guys think I would benefit from propecia? While it doesn't look bad now, keep in mind my brother is getting thin all over with a bald spot and my dad had a major bald spot/thin hairline by 30. I'm not on my way to a class NW7 by any means, but I don't want to end up like all the other males in my family. What do you guys think? Propecia or no? I actually have a prescription for it already - just waiting to get it filled. Kinda funny because the derm barely looked at my hair and just threw the prescription at me. And my parents/friends think it's all in my head, but genetics tell me otherwise. Main goal is to keep the hair I have, possibly regrow (to be back at beach thickness would be fantastic!). But I don't want to risk side effects and what not if it's not even worth it. Opinions?
 

treeshrew

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yet another kid with great hair freaking out over nothing. makes me sick, but i suppose we've all freaked out over nothing, so i can't blame him.

NO - i don't think you should get on propecia. you are far from bald my friend, you have no idea how much worse it can get. check back in a few years if it's gotten any worse.

amazing hair! enjoy it.
 

metalheaddude

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First off, your crown is absoloutely fine. That small area you see on the crown is just a natural part in the hair, eveyone has that! So nothing to freak out about.


However unlike the poster above me I think there is a slight cause for concern with your hairline. Its fair from serious. But you have developed what is called a "mature hairline" (just google it to get info) but basically 95% of all caucasian males get it. Its completely normal. But I actually think your frontal hair looks slightly thinner than the back and the recession seems to have gone beyond that of a normal maturing hairline (just slightly). Given your family history of baldness (a brother with a bald spot at 26) I would buy some Proscar and start taking .25mg a day which is a very low dosage but is 70% effective in stopping hairloss. It will have very little side effects. Its just not worth the risk.....At least not to me. It just depends how much you really value your hair.

Just my 2 cents.

Btw the beach hair shot can be decieving because when I used to swim alot and in the surf after my hair dried it looked incredibly fat and thick (I used to go for a swim in the ocean before my dates because it made my hair look so thick) But its just the effect of still having sand in your hair, but its all an illusion of thickness. The sea water seems to coat the hair with a thin layer of salt or something making it appear thicker. But once you wash it, it goes back to being thin or thinner.
 

Thickandthin

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metalheaddude said:
First off, your crown is absoloutely fine. That small area you see on the crown is just a natural part in the hair, eveyone has that! So nothing to freak out about.


However unlike the poster above me I think there is a slight cause for concern with your hairline. Its fair from serious. But you have developed what is called a "mature hairline" (just google it to get info) but basically 95% of all caucasian males get it. Its completely normal. But I actually think your frontal hair looks slightly thinner than the back and the recession seems to have gone beyond that of a normal maturing hairline (just slightly). Given your family history of baldness (a brother with a bald spot at 26) I would buy some Proscar and start taking .25mg a day which is a very low dosage but is 70% effective in stopping hairloss. It will have very little side effects. Its just not worth the risk.....At least not to me. It just depends how much you really value your hair.

Just my 2 cents.

Btw the beach hair shot can be decieving because when I used to swim alot and in the surf after my hair dried it looked incredibly fat and thick (I used to go for a swim in the ocean before my dates because it made my hair look so thick) But its just the effect of still having sand in your hair, but its all an illusion of thickness. The sea water seems to coat the hair with a thin layer of salt or something making it appear thicker. But once you wash it, it goes back to being thin or thinner.

The front is definitely thin. If I pull my hair back very tight I can see that even the areas beyond the recession are getting sparse - for a good couple inches back. I guess its sort of a hint as to what is about to come. Can propecia reverse this? Most of the results pics I've seen give people density and thickness back but I've never seen anyone bounce back to a NW1/1.5 or whatever. Hence my concern over whether I should even take it or not.

I don't really think the beach shot is deceiving. I had not been swimming that day - was on a road trip with family and we just stopped at the beach for an hour or so.

When you say it's not worth the risk - do you mean taking finasteride or not taking it? The low dose thing sounds appealing.
 

metalheaddude

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Thickandthin said:
metalheaddude said:
First off, your crown is absoloutely fine. That small area you see on the crown is just a natural part in the hair, eveyone has that! So nothing to freak out about.


However unlike the poster above me I think there is a slight cause for concern with your hairline. Its fair from serious. But you have developed what is called a "mature hairline" (just google it to get info) but basically 95% of all caucasian males get it. Its completely normal. But I actually think your frontal hair looks slightly thinner than the back and the recession seems to have gone beyond that of a normal maturing hairline (just slightly). Given your family history of baldness (a brother with a bald spot at 26) I would buy some Proscar and start taking .25mg a day which is a very low dosage but is 70% effective in stopping hairloss. It will have very little side effects. Its just not worth the risk.....At least not to me. It just depends how much you really value your hair.

Just my 2 cents.

Btw the beach hair shot can be decieving because when I used to swim alot and in the surf after my hair dried it looked incredibly fat and thick (I used to go for a swim in the ocean before my dates because it made my hair look so thick) But its just the effect of still having sand in your hair, but its all an illusion of thickness. The sea water seems to coat the hair with a thin layer of salt or something making it appear thicker. But once you wash it, it goes back to being thin or thinner.

The front is definitely thin. If I pull my hair back very tight I can see that even the areas beyond the recession are getting sparse - for a good couple inches back. I guess its sort of a hint as to what is about to come. Can propecia reverse this? Most of the results pics I've seen give people density and thickness back but I've never seen anyone bounce back to a NW1/1.5 or whatever. Hence my concern over whether I should even take it or not.

I don't really think the beach shot is deceiving. I had not been swimming that day - was on a road trip with family and we just stopped at the beach for an hour or so.

When you say it's not worth the risk - do you mean taking finasteride or not taking it? The low dose thing sounds appealing.

Ill be honest. My hair was VERY similar to yours, same density, same color etc. I came from a family with good, abnormally thick heads of hair and I was NO exception. I actually noticed my hair was started to thin around 19-20. But no one believed me and thought I was crazy I didnt even really believe it myself, because it was just so thick! But it was thinning. Very much in the same fashion as your decribing now. If I had less thicker hair like the average person my hairloss would been more apparent earlier, but because my hair was still acceptable in the eyes of the world I didnt bother about seeking out medication. My one regret is i did not start propecia when I was 20, so i could of maintained that awesome thickness. The bottom line is no one knows your hair better than yourself and if you suspect you're thinning then there is a good chance you're. If I was you I would start taking now. The side effects are greatly exagerrated in my book.
 

Thickandthin

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metalheaddude said:
Ill be honest. My hair was VERY similar to yours, same density, same color etc. I came from a family with good, abnormally thick heads of hair and I was NO exception. I actually noticed my hair was started to thin around 19-20. But no one believed me and thought I was crazy I didnt even really believe it myself, because it was just so thick! But it was thinning. Very much in the same fashion as your decribing now. If I had less thicker hair like the average person my hairloss would been more apparent earlier, but because my hair was still acceptable in the eyes of the world I didnt bother about seeking out medication. My one regret is i did not start propecia when I was 20, so i could of maintained that awesome thickness. The bottom line is no one knows your hair better than yourself and if you suspect you're thinning then there is a good chance you're. If I was you I would start taking now. The side effects are greatly exagerrated in my book.

How old are you now and what are you on the Norwood?
 

Thickandthin

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So I should get a Rx for Proscar instead?

I have two 7 day sample packs of Propecia 1 mg....took the first one today. So I've got a bit to decide.

Since my loss is pretty recent and mild, I'm thinking about doing .5 mg a day but no less. Seems like cutting up Proscar will be a pain in the *** though. Should I just stick with the Dr. prescribed Propecia and cut it in half, or get her to prescribe Proscar and chop suey them all? Or just go around it altogether and order off the net??
 

metalheaddude

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Any amount of finasteride is going to help. 0.5mg would be great with your level of hairloss. You have done well to catch it this early, many others are not that fortunate :)
 

Eureka

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Your frontal hairline does look like it's receding a bit, but it could just be a mature hairline. Some watching and waiting may serve you better then jumping into finasteride. Better to be sure it's hairloss, rather then get into finasteride before you know, your hair not get any worse simply because your not losing any to begin with, yet you think it's the finasteride, so you keep spending money and zapping DHT that you have no reason to.

If you do confirm it's receding, your at a good age to start finasteride, But if you do experience sides, drop them a.s.a.p And you'll be no worse for wear.
 

NicholasLim

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You are definitely receeding in the the temple , i thikn you should take propecia since your brother is balding and your dad is bald .
 

Thickandthin

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Eureka said:
Your frontal hairline does look like it's receding a bit, but it could just be a mature hairline. Some watching and waiting may serve you better then jumping into finasteride. Better to be sure it's hairloss, rather then get into finasteride before you know, your hair not get any worse simply because your not losing any to begin with, yet you think it's the finasteride, so you keep spending money and zapping DHT that you have no reason to.

If you do confirm it's receding, your at a good age to start finasteride, But if you do experience sides, drop them a.s.a.p And you'll be no worse for wear.

Well when people say "mature hairline" I assume they mean just the typical Sean Penn kind of hairline. Not perfectly straight across but not with deep recessions in the corners. I'm pretty sure mine is just typical early stage male pattern baldness. The area behind the recessions is pretty thin as well and is probably about to fall out.

In other news, I took 1 mg of finasteride yesterday, and .5 mg today. Not sure if its a side effect or my mind playing tricks on me but I noticed I dribbled a bit when I took a piss, lol. Hmmmmmmm....
 

Eureka

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LOL, well.. who knows finasteride does effect your prostate, which does influence your bladder. But ah I doubt it can happen in a day and a half.
 

ITNEVERRAINS

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Honestly looks like mature hairline thing going on. I would hold off on fertilizer for the time being and see what happens. Messing with your hormones at 21 for where your hair doesn't add up in the risk vs. reward.
 

Methos

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I would try the finasteride and see if it helps. You need to stay on it for at least a year.
 

Eureka

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Messing with your hormones at 21 for where your hair doesn't add up in the risk vs. reward.

Mmm, I've always been somewhat confused by this, I was under the impression that your average male finishes developing at 18? So what at 21 is going on that needs testosterone, more then say someone older?
 

Thickandthin

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Have been taking it for less than a week, cutting the pill into 1/4s (taking .25 mg/day) and I swear I'm already getting sides.

Dribbling when I piss, flaccid penis size is smaller, and harder to get an erection. Also no morning wood.

I never had a tremendous sex drive to begin with so cant comment on that. Physical changes are evident though.

So what the hell? Is this normal? Will the sides eventually go away?
 

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I noticed sexual sides on day 2. Officially only 2% get side effects, but I personally doubt that figure is true. For a lot of people the sides go away if you give it some time, though. I'd recommend you don't try to "ride out" the sides for much longer than a month. If you really want to be on the safe side, just quit right now. You might want to take a look at propeciahelp.com. I took finasteride for 6 months and the sides stayed the same. I had to give up because I noticed signs of gyno. Now one month after quitting the sexual sides are still there.

BTW, as an alternative to quitting you could try to cut up the pills, so you get a smaller dose. Some people get rid of the sides that way.
 

Thickandthin

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I'm already cutting the pills into 1/4ths. But as the studies show, even .25 mg is virtually identical to 1 mg, so it appears that the side effects would still be the same.

Looks like the magic number is .05 mg - I just wonder how the hell to consistently get such a small dose.
 
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