Saw my Dermatologist today and talked about HM

[YoungAndThin]

I saw a derm today whose husband is a hair restoration surgeon in Chicago. He also does some research for Bosley Medical and HM may not be that far off.

My Derm told that her husband has informed her that Bosley is making great strides in their research and HM may be available for trials by 2008.

so after trials and testing I'm guessing HM might be available to the public by 2010 or 2012.

Another reason to hang on...

 

[Guest]

That's great and all but what the f*** is an "HM"?

 

[Trent]

dude, bosley is associated with intercytex who is doing clinical trials RIGHT NOW, they are in phase II of the studies. so i'm hoping it will be even sooner than that. good to hear they are making great strides though.


check it out here: http://www.intercytex.com/icx/news/rele ... 004-05-06/

to learn more about hair multiplication HM check out the follicular cloning hair mult. section of this forum. or just google it.

 

[hair23]

Dates etc on HM

Well, I remember about 2 yrs ago Washenik of Bosley said it will be out in 5 years. Everyone was pissed because the 5 year thing has been going on forever. However, in the WebMD article (I think Nov 2004), he said it will be out in 3 or 4 years. Although I highly doubt he'll make the 3-4 year mark, it still seems like progress to me b/c it's not like he said "5 years" again.

But this leads to a question: does he mean 3-4 years they'll be ready for widespread clinical trials, or does that mean it's ready for market? My guess is market, but it's hard to say.

Trent: a couple things regarding Intercytex. First, it sucks *** but they're not in Phase II yet. They've done Phase I (low dosage, which I'm guessing means only a few grafts on each person), which were succuessful in 5 out of 7 people. They're planning for for high dosage Phase I for the first half of 2005 (which probably means the trialers will get a high number of grafts). Phase II won't be here until 2006 at the earliest. All of this based on this website (http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/ ... ic/icxtrc/).
The website you gave in your post states that Phase II would have started in late 2004, so we already know they're behind. I hope they get their act together.

Another thing about Intecytex that I read somewhere, but don't know if it's true. I read that they have made a deal with Bosley where if Interytex comes out with the technology first, then Bosley has a contract with them to distribute the treatment in the US. I'm not sure to what extent Bosely, or more precisely Aderans Research Institute (Aderans is Bosely's daddy), is teaming up with Intercytex on HM's development.

Someone really should get in touch with Aderans and/or Intercytex to see what's going on. f*** if I knew HM is going to be out for sure, I'd run out and bring my hairline down to my eyebrows HAHA jk.

 

[Trent]

where did you hear that they weren't in phase II??? I just assumed they were as they were done with phase I safety profiling, and that was last year. do you have a link?

 

[asm]

You can go to http://www.bosley.com, section about company and choose to talk to representative online.

 

[hair23]

Yeah Trent, the link is right here.

http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/ ... ic/icxtrc/

It's not so glum, if they get on their asses and start Phase II by next year like they say, it'll be ok. But they do seem to be a year behind what they had already said.

 

[Old Baldy]

I saw a derm today whose husband is a hair restoration surgeon in Chicago. He also does some research for Bosley Medical and HM may not be that far off.

My Derm told that her husband has informed her that Bosley is making great strides in their research and HM may be available for trials by 2008.

so after trials and testing I'm guessing HM might be available to the public by 2010 or 2012.

Another reason to hang on...

Cool!!

 

[Guest]

That's great and all but what the f*** is an "HM"?

Hair multiplication - a hair saving miracle.

Start saving your pennies.

Without the science part - 'They inject some sh*t into your scalp and you grow hair.'

 

[Guest]

They seem to be worried about the direction of the hair. I think this is bullshit.

If you think of a hair transplant, an insertion is made and then the hair will grow along that insertion in the correct direction even though the hair falls out and then regrows. If they inject the hair thingy magiggy into your scalp and as long as it is injected in the right direction then surley the follicle will grow in that direction. If not you will end up like Don King.

 

[Fena2000]

How does it work when you have seb dermatitis. Still don't get it. In seb dermatitis the hairfollicles get inflamed and start to miniaturize , if I'm right. So if these DS cells or whatever they're called are injected in the scalp (which is still inflamed because of SD), wI'll these follicles be able to grow and if they do won't they miniaturize because of the SD inflammation? Somebody who knows more about this, please? Btw this site is started to look x rated.

 

[benjt]

You're not exactly in the right thread for this question. Not all the threads here discuss the same approach.

Yes, if whatever causes the inflammation isn't resolved, miniaturization starts over again. The good thing is that - if given in sufficient amounts - the DSC cells restore the follicles to old health. Its like a reset button on the miniaturization, but inflammation and subsequent miniaturization would - very likely - continue.

RepliCel's David Hall has stated that DSC cells from the back of the scalp would pass on the immunity to androgens to the injection sites (i.e. no more miniaturization in the case of classical Androgenetic Alopecia/male pattern baldness), but he has never explained why or provided any research evidence for that. So for now its just an unconfirmed claim.

 

[Fena2000]

You're not exactly in the right thread for this question. Not all the threads here discuss the same approach.

Yes, if whatever causes the inflammation isn't resolved, miniaturization starts over again. The good thing is that - if given in sufficient amounts - the DSC cells restore the follicles to old health. Its like a reset button on the miniaturization, but inflammation and subsequent miniaturization would - very likely - continue.

RepliCel's David Hall has stated that DSC cells from the back of the scalp would pass on the immunity to androgens to the injection sites (i.e. no more miniaturization in the case of classical Androgenetic Alopecia/male pattern baldness), but he has never explained why or provided any research evidence for that. So for now its just an unconfirmed claim.

ok thx, still no hope for people with DUPA like me , at least that's what I think since my hair is thinning everywhere, incl eyebrows and eyelashes.

 

[benjt]

If DUPA also leads to DSC cell depletion and DP cell apoptosis, then the approach will still work. You have to find out yourself what happens in the case of DUPA, cause I never dug into it.

 

[Fena2000]

If DUPA also leads to DSC cell depletion and DP cell apoptosis, then the approach will still work. You have to find out yourself what happens in the case of DUPA, cause I never dug into it.

Looked it up, cant seem to find anything. All I can find is that people with DUPA are bad candidates for hair transplants because all their hair are affected by DHT. I have to read more into DSC depletion and DP apoptosis, I have no clue what it all means yet.