Revivogen's ingredients.

[slurms mackenzie]

So all it really boils down to is topical Saw Palmetto. f*ck that.

Anyone who buys that sh*t is really clutching at straws (expensive ones). No strong evidence for any of it.

I think there's more to it than saw palmetto, you might have read one post and jumped to a conclusion there.

It's not the strongest anti androgen out there by a long shot, people will have more success with finasteride, and topically i'd guess RU, but to say it's about just saw palmetto, dude read the ingredients and then guess what most people attribute it's (sometimes limited success) to.

 

[hairhoper]

So all it really boils down to is topical Saw Palmetto. f*ck that.

Anyone who buys that sh*t is really clutching at straws (expensive ones). No strong evidence for any of it.

I think there's more to it than saw palmetto, you might have read one post and jumped to a conclusion there.

It's not the strongest anti androgen out there by a long shot, people will have more success with finasteride, and topically i'd guess RU, but to say it's about just saw palmetto, dude read the ingredients and then guess what most people attribute it's (sometimes limited success) to.

Hehe yeah I was being deliberately bullish, I'm aware there are lots of ingredients in it, some of which probably have some weak studies out there to back up that they make 'some' small difference. Guess I'm trying to bait someone into showing me any of them actually work. I've read countless threads about Revivogen and never seen a strong claim of success.

And Christ it's expensive, but then I guess it's probably not made in huge quantities so that's probably to be expected.

I really think it's the kind of last resort treatment that you should only consider if you get sides from finasteride or dutasteride. Even then I'd still probably risk something like topical dutasteride over this stuff.

 

[Bryan]

You'll probably see posts about it being unique with it's free form fatty acids. Other products do contain them though.

There are other products which list some of the same fatty acids that are in Revivogen as (supposedly) being ingredients in their product, too, but whether or not they are really "free" fatty acids (like they are in Revivogen) is seriously a matter of considerable doubt. Don't simply assume that they are, unless the manufacturer explicitly STATES that they are.

 

[Bryan]

It's not the strongest anti androgen out there by a long shot, people will have more success with finasteride, and topically i'd guess RU, but to say it's about just saw palmetto, dude read the ingredients and then guess what most people attribute it's (sometimes limited success) to.

To me, it's not entirely out of the question that it _may_ be the strongest commercially available topical antiandrogen, since RU58841 isn't really "commercially available", except by obtaining it from Chinese companies on the black market, which has other potential risks involved. Depending on the exact combination and quantities of fatty acids in Revivogen, I don't consider it entirely out of the question that it _may_ be a more effective antiandrogen (I use the term loosely) than, say, commercial topical spironolactone products.

 

[ukmale24]

So all it really boils down to is topical Saw Palmetto. f*ck that.

Anyone who buys that sh*t is really clutching at straws (expensive ones). No strong evidence for any of it.

Topical SP expensive? 50ml for £6 (just under $10) worth taking a chance i'd say! I'm getting some as oral SP was giving me sides after a week. Might get some azelaic acid. Then if all else fails, finasteride I guess!

 

[hairhoper]

I meant Revivogen was expensive.

 

[Jacob]

You'll probably see posts about it being unique with it's free form fatty acids. Other products do contain them though.

There are other products which list some of the same fatty acids that are in Revivogen as (supposedly) being ingredients in their product, too, but whether or not they are really "free" fatty acids (like they are in Revivogen) is seriously a matter of considerable doubt. Don't simply assume that they are, unless the manufacturer explicitly STATES that they are.

Bryan just responded to a spammer who quoted what I said :woot:

But again..Revivogen says nothing about theirs being "Free form" on their website or labeling etc. Any Joe from a company can make all the claims they want to..or pretend to have the knowledge and/or even the authority from such a company to say such things. If there really was something unique about what they do and what their product contains, they'd point it out on their website and labeling. Wise-up, Bryan. Don't be so gullible. You are constantly questioning *other* companies and even posters on the things they say and/or claim.

 

[Boomer01]

So all it really boils down to is topical Saw Palmetto. f*ck that.

Anyone who buys that sh*t is really clutching at straws (expensive ones). No strong evidence for any of it.

Take it for what it's worth but most people have been seeing positive results using it, me included. I don't think anyone has been on it (new formula) for a long enought to really say yes or no but it's looking good.

 

[Jacob]

You'll see a lot of newbies posting something is working for them when first trying something out. This "Revivogen is working" pops up every now and then. Lately it seems to be happening whenever they update the formula..after saying there's no need to update it.

Still nothing on it being liposomal btw :shock:

 

[ripple-effect]

here's a a review I found on youtube of someone having success with Revivogen after using it for about a year:
[youtube:1lw7qvip]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNprmumZQlg[/youtube:1lw7qvip]


another vid of the creator talking about the TFDS (the delivery system) in revivogen:
[youtube:1lw7qvip]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrYPkNXlIQk[/youtube:1lw7qvip]

revivogen results:

[youtube:1lw7qvip]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_L7PruRi-U[/youtube:1lw7qvip]

 

[Jacob]

here's a a review I found on youtube of someone having success with Revivogen after using it for about a year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNprmumZQlg

another vid of the creator talking about the TFDS (the delivery system) in revivogen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrYPkNXlIQk

And that's funny...it says "Uploaded by hairlosstreatments4u on Jul 13, 2011"
Something smells. Looks like an older video anyway. The "review" one..July 11....the guy is wearing a hat!! Reminds me of IH / CausticSymmetry with his Youtube AUDIO.

What ingredient(s) listed in the ingredients list makes it liposomal? Why was the information on the liposomal delivery system taken off the website?

 

[ripple-effect]

here's a a review I found on youtube of someone having success with Revivogen after using it for about a year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNprmumZQlg

another vid of the creator talking about the TFDS (the delivery system) in revivogen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrYPkNXlIQk

And that's funny...it says "Uploaded by hairlosstreatments4u on Jul 13, 2011"
Something smells. Looks like an older video anyway. The "review" one..July 11....the guy is wearing a hat!! Reminds me of IH / CausticSymmetry with his Youtube AUDIO.

What ingredient(s) listed in the ingredients list makes it liposomal? Why was the information on the liposomal delivery system taken off the website?

Yea, I did think that was kind of strange he would be was wearing a hat...don't know why he is but I believe the review is genuine just by the way he conveyed his opinion. I see no reason for him to lie about it....what good would it do him?

Revivogen still has the information about TFDS on their site. I really don't understand your case against it. TFDS is just the name they use to describe the system they use to get the ingredients into the scalp which consists of natural oils and liposomes. Why would they list that in the ingredients? It's not one of the ingredients it's just a system that delivers the ingredients....did you not watch the video I posted earlier?

 

[Jacob]

I guess the real question is..why would someone do a review like that WEARING A HAT?! :woot: Like I said..it's like IH doing the Youtube vids.I mean AUDIO's. Maybe both of these guys had transplants done and you'll see them hatless and in an actual video once things are healed and looking great :whistle:

Could you please link to where Revivogen has that information on their site? I know the video is there, but not the liposome talk they used to have. I posted a link somewhere..was a cached page of their describing the liposomal delivery system. Is the "TFDS" or anything about liposomes mentioned on the bottle/packaging?

I couldn't find it on their website..so I looked elsewhere and it says "TFDSâ„¢ utilizes Liposomes and derivatives of natural oils which deeply penetrate the scalp and carry the active ingredients to the hair follicle where they are most needed." (since I see no mention of caffeine where that came from http://www.stophairlossnow.com/Products/revivogen.htm ..unless I missed it...I'm assuming that's an older page/formula). Any other cosmetic company that talks about using such a delivery system has ingredients in their product that those liposomes could be made from..and sometimes even say "encapsulated in liposomes" or something similar in the ingreds list as well. The latest liposomal product I think I posted was http://www.onlynaturalskincare.com/Osmosis-Replenish-Antioxidant-Serum-05.htm Notice the Phosphatidylcholine..which is one ingred liposomes can be made of. Same for Elsom Research..their latest product ingreds list starts out: "Ingredients: water, phosphatidylcholine (as liposomes), ....).

If it's a "system"..that "system" consists of SOMETHING(ingredient(s))..that would then be listed in the ingredients list. Now it's possible something on their list of ingreds is what is being used..but 1) I'm not seeing it.. 2) I and others can't get an answer from them on it...and 3) it's no longer talked about on their website..except for the video which I don't think is new.

 

[Jacob]

Another I just happened upon: http://www.arboretum-skincare.com/hair_treatment.htm

Ingredients: Extracts of Nettle, Burdock root, White Onion, Birch bark, Oak bark, St. John’s Wort, Red Pepper, Sea Kelp, Chamomile, Lemon, Castor oil, Lecithin liposomes, Xanthan Gum, Vitamins A, E, Essential oils of sage, ylang-ylang, chamomile, lavender and palmarosa.

 

[ripple-effect]

Jacob why does it matter so much whether they list it in the ingredients or not? What matters is whether the product works or not. Are you trying to suggest that you don't believe Revivogen uses that technology because they don't list it in the ingredients? If you look at the bottles they clearly label on the front that they utilize TFDS. And yes when I mentioned they still refer to TFDS on their website I was referring to the video...I'm not sure about the page your talking about.

 

[Jacob]

Let's put it this way..we're supposed to be excited about what is being described/used and yet the ingredients that prove what indeed is in a product..aren't there. It's like Proctor with those "mysterious ingredients. Again..see the examples I've given. Companies are to list what is in their products. Here is the ingreds list..they list things like "perfume" but not the encapsulating ingred? Well read further below to see they claim it is listed.

SD Alcohol 40, Purified Water, Linolenic Acid(Gamma & Alpha), Linoleic Acid, Oleic Acid, Saw Palmetto Extract, Ethyl Laurate, Beta Sitosterol, Caffeine, Octyl (Ehtylhexyl) Gallate, Dodecyl Gallate, Pyridoxal 5-Phosphate, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Procyanidin B2 (Vitis Vinifera Extract), Azelaic Acid, Zinc Sulfate, Menthol, EDTA, Perfume

You did say "It's not one of the ingredients it's just a system that delivers the ingredients" ....but that's not what they said. From a poster here:

"We have never listed the liposomal delivery system in the ingredient list as it is not a separate ingredient rather a part of of ingredients we use.

If you look at that video by Dr. Khadavi on this pay you can hear him talk about Revivogen's delivery system http://revivogen.com/thescience.html

Best Regards

Alan"

So the question still is...what ingredient(s) in the list are used to make the liposomal delivery system? That and why the page(s) on it are no longer on the website..have never been answered. Maybe I'll ask around if anyone can tell me if anything in that ingreds list can be used to make liposomes/encapsulate ingreds.


BTW..that latest plant stem cell product I posted about uses "TFDS"..and they specifically told me they do not use liposomes but they're going for TFD with what they use. Does the Revivogen bottle just say TFDS or do they talk about liposomes? Got a picture of it?

And yeah..I agree on what (also) matters is if something works. Especially if that something has been around for 10+ years and the formula has been changed after saying they won't be changing it because it works so good and they can't even respond to basic questions. Revivogen is one of the biggest names in the hair loss industry...and it's not because of results.

 

[ripple-effect]

If it concerns you so much then why don't you try emailing Dr. Khadavi on his site and ask him? I don't know why your still on this point. Let's say Khadavi did agree to list that in the ingredients.... does that mean you now all of a sudden think it works?

Revivogen is one of the biggest names in the hair loss industry...and it's not because of results.

Then why do you think they're one of the biggest?

 

[Jacob]

I HAVE emailed him/them. And obviously others have and didn't get responses because they said they were going to ask them those questions. Even after actually getting answers/responses at first. And yes if they listed those ingredients then I'd believe them..but he's already said/claimed the ingredients listed include those used in the encapsulation process(isn't able to tell us which ones though), so if ingreds were now to be added that could be used for liposomes...that would be more than strange.

They're one of the biggest because they've been advertising all over the dang place....all these years...like a bunch of infomercials on tv- which I've said before they looked like when I first came across them years and years ago. Then you have these websites either pushing/sticking up for them and/or even selling them. Then you have "experts" like Bryan running around claiming the product is so unique(which I've always thought odd)...when it really isn't. That is not to say the ingredients aren't beneficial...there are just plenty of other products that look just as good and even better.

I guess there's no picture...and it just says "TFDS" on the bottle/packaging.......

 

[ripple-effect]

Clearly says "With TRANSMEROL Follicular Delivery System"




There are alot of products out there like Revivogen. They are unique because they were the original. Many other products copied them. I remember reading an answer a while back to a question someone asked Khadavi... I think it was about HairGenesis. You could tell by the way he answered in all caps he was kind of angry they copied his product. He made a point in his answer that they came out before HairGenesis did. Now you must ask yourself, why would others be trying to copy his product if it didn't work?

 

[Jacob]

But nothing about liposomes, right?

Revivogen may have been the "original" of whatever they had when they first came out..kind of hard to know for sure w/out being able to go back. But they have added things over the years..including things that other's used way before they did. Caffeine being one.

Seems HairGenesis contains other things as well. But thanks for bringing them up..it's a good example of what else is out there that folks in these forums should be interested in trying if they're so impressed with Revivogen:

Recently updated in collaboration with a university-based scientific team, new maximum strength HairGenesis® Trichoceutical® Activator Serum represents a particularly elegant and naturally derived alternative to drug based scalp therapies, such as those containing minoxidil. Comprised of a proprietary admixture including beta-sitosterol thioctic acid, LSESr and a patented form of carnitine (Carnisol®), this product is unique in the category. It is also much more convenient to use.

By incorporating a suite of powerful 5 alpha-reductase inhibitors with highly-potent anti-inflammatory agents, your new Trichoceutical® serum product operates through a true dual-mechanism of action. The new formulation also employs a highly sophisticated drug-delivery system wherein key naturally- derived active ingredients are efficiently delivered to targeted structures within the hair follicle.

Why question them?

They even list the phospholipids:

INGREDIENTS
Water (Aqua), Beta-Sitosterol, Serenoa Serrulata Fruit Extract, Carnitine, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate, Glycerine, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Phospholipids (and) Caprlic/Capric Triglyceride (and) Alcohol, Polysorbate 20, Phenoxyethanol, Xanthan Gum, Methylparaben, Benzyl Alcohol, Oenothera Biennis (Evening Primrose) Oil, Prunus Africana Bark Extract (Pygeum Africanum), Borage Officinalis Seed Oil, Macadamia, Ternifolia Seed Oil, Thioctic Acid, Biotin

And it's a foam..cool. Maybe it's not the product you were thinking of..but it's still worth posting

http://www.onlyhairloss.com/hairgenesis/serum.htm