Revivogen + Tricomin + Folligen

[Max West]

I’m 20 and I have NW2. I've learnt a lot about androgen blockers and growth stimulants. But the data is really old sometimes so I decided to ask many popular questions again.

Thinking of using this:
DS Laboratories Revita Shampoo
DS Laboratories Revita.Cor Conditioner
Revivogen (2ml daily)
Tricomin
Folligen (every other day)

Will Tricomin and Folligen work together well? I mean – I want to use Tricomin for an hour before morning Revivogen and evening Folligen. Will Tricomin copper peptides conflict with Revivogen zinc (or Is that a rule for supplements only http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper#Copper_excess_and_deficiency)?

Will Tricomin conflict with Folligen?

Should I add Retin-A to my first stages of treatment. Or is it better to wait a little (3-6 months) and add it then, after the shedding period and etc? Is it safe with taking 5000IU Vitamin A daily?

Will growth stimulants for healthy hair (amino acid, vitamin and mineral blend like FNS Serum or Biotin supplements 2000mcg daily) speed up the regrowth process induced by Tricomin or Folligen products?

What do you think about blocking DHT inside by EGCG and DIM supplements?

I’m also going to use:
Multivitamin complex
2000 mcg Biotin daily
2600 IU D3 vit daily (with 100 mcg of K2 vit)
Korean Ginseng (Panax Ginseng) (Root) pills (650-1300 mg daily)

Any thoughts on this?

[Note: I’m not going to use: Minoxidil, Finasteride, Spironolactone, Fluridil because of side effects]

 

[Primo]

If you're really unlucky then you might suffer sides from both Minoxidil and Finasteride... but really you have to have at least one of those drugs in your regimen because the other stuff won't be strong enough to stop male pattern baldness.

I can't use Finasteride, that's why I have minoxidil, Tricomin and now I'm thinking of using Revivogen also, for a multi-faceted approach.

But damn, it would make things a helluva a lot easier if I could tolerate Finasteride...

If you're gonna go for the heavy topical regimen like me dude, you need Minoxidil of else I don't think the results you get will be worth all the trouble.

Also, I'd suggest using Retin-A after about 6months maybe, it's apparently quite harsh on the scalp.

 

[Max West]

I really don't want to use minoxidil because I've heard that it has withdrawal: after stopping the minoxidil you will lose everything you regrew and even more - not because of DHT, but because of enormous shrinkage of follicle.
I understand when stopping Revivogen can cause such effect just because of DHT, because it's possible to switch to another treatment... But minoxidil seems to be really risky thing.

About finasteride - I'm 20. That's it. (By the way: In 2010 british scientists found that finasteride can cause cancer of mammary gland in men)

Anyway, I can't use them both for the rest of my life.

Now about Revivogen. I think it's supposed to be as MBP stopper and hair thickener by itself. And regrowth is a possible thing.

I really believe that Revivogen+Folligen+Tricomin will stop that at least... My MBP is not such agressive. I don't experience high shedding (especially after of using the Revita shampoo with 1% ketoconazole instead of SLS shampoo).

 

[MrBastard]

Good luck using revivogen in the morning... Word on the street is that it is messy and smells :whistle:


And change i suggest that i belive works better is:

- tricomin morning, wait 1 hour then 5% topical spironolactone. Or the other way around. Never tryed tricomin but hear its "cosmetically acceptable"

- folligen or revivogen evening/night. Whoever you perfer or EOD. If you go with folligen you got a choise between copper peptides(the regular folligens) or tin peptides (folligen for blondes).
If you look on theyr forum you see that they claim that the copper peptide ones is better for skin rebuilding/condition and strenghtening hairs while the tin peptide one is better for higer haircount. I have only used folligen for blondes and it can be a little messy.

It probably wont grow so much hairs, but you should atleast maintain and be completely sides free. I know you wrote that you whould not use spironolactone... Any personal experiences with it or have you just read about oral spironolactone? Topical its side free

 

[Primo]

Sorry dude, how does minoxidil cause shrinkage of the follicle? If anything it does the complete opposite... Only DHT will shrink the follicle.

You will not lose any original hair by stopping minoxidil, only hair that has been regrown by minoxidil will shed permanently.

It's your choice man, and it depends on what type of baldness you have also, but if you have recession and want to grow back and maintain your temples then you'll need minoxidil because Tricomin and Folligen won't be strong enough together, nor Revivogen. The idea is you use those treatments together with minoxidil or finasteride to enhance the effect of you treatment.

 

[Max West]

Good luck using revivogen in the morning... Word on the street is that it is messy and smells :whistle:


And change i suggest that i belive works better is:

- tricomin morning, wait 1 hour then 5% topical spironolactone. Or the other way around. Never tryed tricomin but hear its "cosmetically acceptable"

- folligen or revivogen evening/night. Whoever you perfer or EOD. If you go with folligen you got a choise between copper peptides(the regular folligens) or tin peptides (folligen for blondes).
If you look on theyr forum you see that they claim that the copper peptide ones is better for skin rebuilding/condition and strenghtening hairs while the tin peptide one is better for higer haircount. I have only used folligen for blondes and it can be a little messy.

It probably wont grow so much hairs, but you should atleast maintain and be completely sides free. I know you wrote that you whould not use spironolactone... Any personal experiences with it or have you just read about oral spironolactone? Topical its side free

I don't remember about spironolactone version. I've read about liver and libido problems. Maybe it wasn't the topical one.
I'm not sure if I need more androgen blockers.. Im going to use Revivogen to maintain and Tricomin+Folligen to regrow, but they also have androgen blocking specs.

I have no experience in any serious treatments. I have Revita shampoo, that's it.

Does standard Folligen contain tin peptides from Blondes version? Because my goal is using mostly growth stimulants. And hair count thing is what i need.

 

[Max West]

Sorry dude, how does minoxidil cause shrinkage of the follicle? If anything it does the complete opposite... Only DHT will shrink the follicle.

You will not lose any original hair by stopping minoxidil, only hair that has been regrown by minoxidil will shed permanently.

It's your choice man, and it depends on what type of baldness you have also, but if you have recession and want to grow back and maintain your temples then you'll need minoxidil because Tricomin and Folligen won't be strong enough together, nor Revivogen. The idea is you use those treatments together with minoxidil or finasteride to enhance the effect of you treatment.

Shrinkage after stopping the minoxidil treatment. Maybe that's gossips. Anyway minoxidil is not for me, because of blood pressure sides.

 

[Rich78]

I don't understand why people won't use products (ESP.) minoxidil because they fear loss if they decide to stop. This is true for ALL hair loss products. Once you start on any of the proven products it's for life or as long as you decide to keep on using them. Same goes for finasteride. Shoot, finasteride has way worse sides and if you get them they could be for life EVEN if you quit. At least with minoxidil you just go back to what you had, no harm no foul.

This is just part if the process, the sooner you accept that that the easier it becomes.

As well topcals really aren't that bad a reg. once you get a rythem going.

 

[Primo]

Max did you get blood pressure sides from using minoxidil? Or is at an underlying condition that you're afraid of?

I have naturally very low blood pressure, so I was quite worried about minoxidil when I started, but in the last 6months, I've only ever got sides like dizziness etc, when I've applied more than the stated dose. When I stuck to 1ml am 1ml pm I was fine.

 

[MrBastard]

Minoxidil also last way longer than the 1 - 4 years max that some people tend to think. 16 years is the estimate based on this study

http://www.anagen.net/m14.htm

 

[Max West]

Max did you get blood pressure sides from using minoxidil? Or is at an underlying condition that you're afraid of?

I have naturally very low blood pressure, so I was quite worried about minoxidil when I started, but in the last 6months, I've only ever got sides like dizziness etc, when I've applied more than the stated dose. When I stuck to 1ml am 1ml pm I was fine.

I don't think I have any problems with blood pressure, but after 10 years of minoxidil using I think - I will )) Thanks for support but I will use minoxidil only in case Revivogen+Tricomin+Folligen won't work for me. I will use it because im thinking of Revivogen therapy only after 3 years of my active regimen. Just for maintaining. That's why dont want to use minoxidil.

I'm also thinking about ASC-J9 topical. I suppose it's not available in a topical solution and not well tested yet. But it would be really good for permanent maintaining.
And, of course I'm waiting Histogen Hair Stimulating Complex to come out in 2014-2015.

 

[MrBastard]

Ah, ok. Good luck then Dont get your hopes too high about the release date and effectiveness on future threatments though...

 

[Max West]

Thanks.

Unfortunately I still don't have any info about mixing different products.
If Folligen and Folligen for blondes have different peptides - It would be good to mix them.

 

[mpbsux20]

Minoxidil also last way longer than the 1 - 4 years max that some people tend to think. 16 years is the estimate based on this study

http://www.anagen.net/m14.htm

Right now all my hopes are on minoxidil[Spectral Dnc] as I was sensitive to even a low dosage of finasteride.I just hope we have a cure 16 years from now believing that minoxidil works for that long.

 

[MrBastard]

You better hope you are a good responder aswell if it shall last that long why not add topical spironolactone? it is easy added, only need once a day. I dont notice the smell people are telling stories about...

 

[Primo]

Yeah I've got hopes for Histogen and others new treatments too, but not expecting them to hit the market anytime soon though...

Meanwhile I've been using minoxidil (6months) and Tricomin (2months) on the hairline with good results so far... I apply Tricomin first, then wait half and hour and apply minoxidil.

I know that in the long term i.e.(5years+) these two probably won't be enough to maintain though, so I'm now trying Revivogen also...

I got sides from finasteride and topical spironolactone :doh:

So I really hope Revivogen doesn't give sides also, it would defeat it's whole "safe" sales pitch if it did...

 

[mpbsux20]

You better hope you are a good responder aswell if it shall last that long why not add topical spironolactone? it is easy added, only need once a day. I dont notice the smell people are telling stories about...

So far I have been responding pretty well to MIN.I went from a NW3 at the temples with a thinning top this February to a NW2.5 with a healthy looking crown by October this year.I recently increased my dosage to twice a day and I am hoping to gain some more in the next six months.

Yes I gave spironolactone a thought but right now I just want to give MIN a year or two before committing myself to any other topical.Also I haven't yet recovered completely from the side effects due to finasteride,muscles are a lot more tighter especially around the chest and arms but I guess it will take me a couple of more months to get back to where I was.

 

[mpbsux20]

Yeah I've got hopes for Histogen and others new treatments too, but not expecting them to hit the market anytime soon though...

Meanwhile I've been using minoxidil (6months) and Tricomin (2months) on the hairline with good results so far... I apply Tricomin first, then wait half and hour and apply minoxidil.

I know that in the long term i.e.(5years+) these two probably won't be enough to maintain though, so I'm now trying Revivogen also...

I got sides from finasteride and topical spironolactone :doh:

So I really hope Revivogen doesn't give sides also, it would defeat it's whole "safe" sales pitch if it did...

You might never know,you could be one of the lucky ones and respond well to minoxidil for years especially if you continue to use it with something like Nizoral 2% on a regular basis.

Do you happen to know who you have taken after in your family ? Are you a receder or do you have crown loss + a receding hairline ? If you happen to be the former,in all likelihood,you could keep your hair for a long time with your current regimen[minoxidil,Nizoral and Tricomin].

I have taken after my grandpa from my Mother's side who developed a receding hairline in his early 30s and has been sporting a sexy combover since his late forties.I have to say it kinda looked good on him initially as he had that Charlie Watts look.He had absolutely nothing on top in his 60s apart from a few strands of really long hair.

I reckon that since I have started to lose it this early,I might be a NW4 or 5 by the time I am 30 if it continues at the same rate as it did when I was 16-19 years old or I could keep a decent head of hair with a gnarly *** widows peak if things slow down a bit and I respond really well to Minoxidil twice a day.

 

[Max West]

Here is the info about mixing Folligen and Folligen for blondes
http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1990018252/m/1901095995

btw, what about Ketoconazole 2%? Does it have any sides? Im on 1% now (Revita Shampoo). Should I try 2% with such therapy?

 

[mpbsux20]

Studies seem to indicate 2% is more effective than the regular version,so I would say it would be worth trying for at least 6 months.The only drawback is it can give you extremely dry hair.