Read the foam study full-text!

hair_today

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Just yesterday I obtained and read the full-text of the recently published clinical trial results. (J Am Acad Dermatol. 2007 Nov;57(5):767-74.) It is shameful how misleading the promotional information for Rogaine foam is about its effectiveness.

People on these boards who are thinking of trying the foam in hopes of greater efficacy over the liquid should really read that paper. The results of the treatment were evaluated in two ways - one was by subjective self-assessment by the participants. That is where the oft-touted 70-something % success rate comes from. The other way is by objective measurements and photographic evaluation by trained researchers. Those measures told a different story. It turns out that participants were significantly biased in their self-evaluations and that even in the placebo group 40% of them judged a success even though the researchers found no such true effect. I suspect this bias was lessened in the liquid trials because its hard to say your hair improved when its been looking greasy everyday.

30-something % of the foam group regrew hair, as compared with 50-something % in liquid trials. Objective measures increase on average about 10% as opposed to significantly more (can't remember exactly) in liquid trials.

The discussion at the end of the paper stated that the foam is desirable because of its cosmetic superiority to the liquid, but explicitly acknowledged its inferior results. A pre-test also had shown that blood serum levels of minoxidil were half that of liquid users.

Of course, the foam certain did work to at least maintain for the vast majority of participants, and there is the curious fact that a previous study in stumptail macaques yielded better results than liquid! However, I thought this is a pertinent piece of information that appears to be widely unknown as of yet.
 

CCS

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I'm not surprised. I was very amazed that a small amount of foam, left on for 1 minute, could grow more hair than a liquid that had all the time in the world to absorb.

Also, I've been applying the liquid, without any mess. I just get it right on the scalp. If I run my fingers through my hair a hour later, I get some shine on them though.

I really like this once a day after the shower application. I think I might start using the liquid again on the sides as well. I bet the foam will maintain the sides after the liquid has done it's regrowth. I'm just worried about the liquid damaging my hair piece bond, or hurting the dye.
 

nydheart

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Now I am really confused?? Why does the compnay then claim that the foam regrows more hair than the liquid? Please someone shed some light on the situation!
 

metalheaddude

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Who cares. Just use more foam. Ive had fantastic results from foam especially on the crown. The hairline is maintained. I will never use liquid again, it makes your head flake and it takes hours to dry. A lot of these companies and their products rely on the placebo effect to work in many circumstances anyway. If you believe it works, it will certainly help more than having unbelief.
 

hair_today

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Aren't there any copyright issues with posting the whole study here?

And re: placebo effect, it wasn't an actual placebo effect, as in growing more hair - rather, they believed they had improved when an objective observer didn't see the improvement.
 

metalheaddude

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People are not flocking to it because your title sucks. You need to make it "liquid better than foam, PROOF!!" or something to that effect :punk:
 

CCS

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metalheaddude said:
People are not flocking to it because your title sucks. You need to make it "liquid better than foam, PROOF!!" or something to that effect :punk:

Good call.

Anyway, if a $13 bottle of foam has the same regrowth power as a $5 bottle of 5% that is diluted to everclear to make it a 3% bottle for $3, which evaporates faster, then it would be hard for me to justify buying the foam, except for the good smell.
 

CCS

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And you could give us a link to the full study.
 

RaginDemon

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consider how easy to use foam, many will not switch back to liquid even if the latter provides more regrowth.
 

beaner

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Not this crap again.
 

beaner

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philly said:
Found it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez then type 'rogaine foam' and you have the study.

Below is your "study". I'm not sure how this in any way backs the statements of the original poster. How about the study that the he's referring to? I'd like to see that. Cassin, you should delete this ridiculous thread as well as the other one that you'll find.

BACKGROUND: An alternative to currently marketed topical minoxidil solutions is desirable. OBJECTIVE: To assess the efficacy and safety of a new 5% minoxidil topical formulation in a propylene glycol-free foam vehicle in men with androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia). METHODS: This was a 16-week, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of 5% minoxidil topical foam (MTF) in 352 men, 18 to 49 years old. At week 16, 143 subjects continued on an open-label phase to collect 52 weeks of safety information on 5% MTF. RESULTS: At week 16 compared with baseline, there was a statistically significant increase in (1) hair counts in the 5% MTF group versus placebo (P < .0001) and (2) subjective assessment of improved hair loss condition (P < .0001) in the 5% MTF group versus placebo. The 5% MTF was well tolerated over a 52-week period. LIMITATIONS: There was no collection of efficacy data beyond 16 weeks. CONCLUSIONS: We believe that 5% MTF is a safe and effective treatment for men with Androgenetic Alopecia.

You foam bashers need to give it up. The people here using it know it's effective and don't need someone trolling with their phantom studies of the foam. Either post the study or shut the hell up.
 

jared_24

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Although I too do not feel as though the foam is effective as the liquid (i've got quite a bit of experience using both) Philly - think long and hard before you post, and for f**ks sake make sure you can provide something that back's up your argument if your going to creating such prominent threads.
 

beaner

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philly said:
jared_24 said:
Although I too do not feel as though the foam is effective as the liquid (i've got quite a bit of experience using both) Philly - think long and hard before you post, and for f**ks sake make sure you can provide something that back's up your argument if your going to creating such prominent threads.

I'd really like to do so but I can't... you must buy the study if you want to read it.


Are the pdf cops going to come and take you away? Who the f*** is going to know if you post this study here? Do you think there's some agency scouting hairloss forums looking for illegally posted studies? You create an uproar with this study and then refuse to post it, which makes you nothing but a troll.
 
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