Prostatitis and Post-Finasteride Issues, Please Help

Valiant

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In early 2006, I started Propecia 1 mg/day. I had a great response and NO ADVERSE SIDE EFFECTS on finasteride.

In October 2012, I developed an acute case of prostatitis. It came on in about a one-week period, starting with lower abdominal pain and one episode of blood in my ejaculate and bleeding from my urethra. I also had pelvic pain, perineum pain and my testicles were hot and ached. I also had mild ED and a very low libido. I consulted a urologist who specializes in men’s sexual health and fertility issues. The uro prescribed a two-week antibiotic, Flomax and low-dose Cialis. Within two weeks, I no longer had ED and my libido started to return. I felt good and was off of all meds (except finasteride) by the end of November.

During that ordeal, I decided to quit finasteride. I was not concerned with my hair as much anymore and I had done a lot of reading on www.propeciahelp.com about the horror stories of persistent side effects from finasteride. My uro tried to assure me that my prostatitis was not caused by finasteride due to its sudden onset and my long history of using finasteride without issues, but I was convinced by the posts on propeciahelp.com that he was wrong. I asked him to check my testosterone and it was 439 ng/ml (241-827). I took my last dose of finasteride on 03-Dec-12. Within two weeks, I had tender nipples, a lump under my left nipple, night sweats, sweating under my arms and brain fog. I thought that I was having a significant hormonal imbalance. I took another dose of finasteride on 13-Dec-12 and the symptoms resolved by Christmas. However, a new one started: Loss of sensation in my penis and no brain-penis connection. I saw my uro again on 11-Jan-13 and told him about how I felt. I also told him that some men report side effects starting only AFTER they quit finasteride. He was aware of post-finasteride syndrome. He had not had any success with his PFS patients and said doctors did not know how to treat it. I told him that I wanted to go back on finasteride because I was scared of getting PFS. He then told me to stay off finasteride now, and that I was “not going through menopause” and that “I had great hair”and that my symptoms were not related to quitting finasteride.

Within three weeks, I “crashed”. I had testosterone of 223 ng/ml (348-1197). I had full-blown hypogonadal symptoms: Severe ED, no libido, anhedonia depression, frequent-waking insomnia, loss of morning and nocturnal erections, malaise and anxiety attacks. My uro was shocked. He told me he had patients quit finasteride all the time for fertility reasons and not have this problem. He recommended clomid to get my testosterone back up. I declined based upon the reports on propeciahelp.com that clomid did not work. I saw my GP later that week and he recommended testosterone for a short time. I also saw on propeciahelp.com that test supplementation would not work so I did not use test. I started to really become depressed and even wrote out a suicide note. I knew I was in trouble, as I have two young kids and cannot leave them fatherless. I was also having bad anxiety. My GP suggested Wellbutrin and Xanax. I opted for Xanax only as needed when I felt anxiety coming on.


With my suggestion, I went back on finasteride on 7-Mar at a lower dose (.5 mg E3D). By mid-March, I felt much better. By mid-April, my test was back in range in the low 500’s and I had resolved nearly every symptom other than regular nocturnal and morning erections and the occasional anxiety attack. If I had an anxiety attack, it seemed my other symptoms would return and then gradually improve again. My symptoms were still coming and going, so I decided to quit finasteride to try clomid (consulting both my uro and GP first). I started clomid (50 mg/EOD) in mid-May and by early June when I quit clomid, my test was over 1000 ng/ml and my DHT was in the 70’s on a 30-85 scale. My hair was falling out like crazy. I didn’t care, though, as I still had sexual issues and genital pain and these were a real problem. My insomnia also started to return. I was declining fast.

Over Father’s day weekend, I was in terrible pain in my genitals and lower abdomen. I had zero libido and complete impotence. I saw a psychologist (some co-workers thought I needed to) who referred me to a psychiatrist (because of the suicide note I told him about) who suggested Wellbutrin. I started Wellbutrin, 150mg/day and I also decided to go back on finasteride on 23-June, as I convinced myself that I was better on the drug. I would be posting this on propeicahelp.com but because I am “on” finasteride technically I cannot be a member.


I started to get better in early July and my symptoms fluctuated a bit but were definitely trending upward. By the 24-Jul, my symptoms had nearly all resolved. At this time, I was taking .5mg/EOD of finasteride, 150mg/day of Wellbutrin, and my usual stack of supplements: multivitamin, l-arginine, fish oil and zinc. I had a flare up of prostate symptoms in early August. I could not tell if it was related to too frequent ejaculating, but I had blood in my ejaculate twice during the first week of August. By the second week of August, my sexual dysfunction and genital pain were back again. But, they resolved in about 10 days and on 24-Aug through 7-Sept, I felt nearly normal. I would have nocturnal/morning erections only once in a while, though, and my libido was not 100% but I could very easily get aroused around my wife. We were together twice over Labor Day weekend and three times the next weekend.

Then, my symptoms returned last week. My wife and I had normal relations on Friday and Saturday, a weaker relation on Sunday where I was practically dry when I ejaculated, then a very weak encounter on Monday and then on Tuesday I had no sexual function at all. I also had terrible lower abdominal pain, testicular pain and penile pain.


Should I stay on finasteride and ride it out to see if the symptoms stabilize?

Is this more prostate-related than finasteride-related? In other words, why would I be completely normal in 24-
Jul (back on finasteride for a month), in early August have bloody ejaculate and symptoms return,then feel really good on 24-Aug if it is finasteride-related?


Have any other long-term finasteride users have side-effects fluctuate at first and then go away after long-term use?


Why would I have sides from finasteride now when I did not have them for 7 years while I was on?


My hair is my least concern although the shedding has stopped. I am only taking finasteride because I am afraid to quit. There are many stories on propeciahelp of men who quit and get worse as time passes instead of getting better. Some guys report new symptoms months after quitting and attribute these to finasteride. (I am seeing the uro about the current issues on 17-Sep-13).


I don’t want to argue with anyone, but PFS is a real thing. I had/have it. I did not before I quit. Quitting finasteride in a panic was the worst decision in my entire life. Before that, I was a healthy family man with a great job and happy life. I had to take medical leave and now I am full of all kinds of meds. The second worst decision I ever made was to take finasteride in the first place. In 2006,t here were no warnings about long-term side effects. If you are considering finasteride, just hit the gym and shave your head. I would be glad to be bald to have my old healthy life back.


Thanks for reading.
 
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nobody here is going to be able to advise you better than the doctors you've already seen

you sound like you have multiple complex health problems, both mental and physical, some of which may have been caused by Finasteride (or ceasing Finasteride), and some not.

if you can overcome some of the mental health issues it may have a positive effect on your physical problems - the mind can have a big impact on physical ailments and vice versa. Also you know that libido/erectile dysfunction issues are a well known potential side effect of the anti-depressants/anti-anxiety meds you've been put on, so that complicates matters even more.


all I can recommend is that you try to get as much advice as possible from good, qualified experts and doctors. And be careful of Propeciahelp because although some of them may mean well, none of them are doctors either and are as much in the dark as you are. and you'll read so many conflicting stories and advice there, and all over the internet, you'll become hopelessly confused.



hope things work out for you
 

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nobody here is going to be able to advise you better than the doctors you've already seen


hope things work out for you

Honestly I am going to disagree with that comment.
Most doctors have ZERO info on dealing with finasteride sides as his Dr stated.
The best thing is advice from others in the same boat.

My guess is your body just adapted to using the drug and by going off its re adapting. You may get better with a length of time but instead of cold turkey why dont you taper the drug? Maybe you can find a dosage and schedule that works and holds everything good.

Your story of sides is almost EXACTLY mine.
Did you get atrophy at all? I got super scared when my penis eventually started to atrophy and start looking like a mushroom with the coloring of your pinky when you cut off circulation. It was painful to touch and COULD NOT get hard. I had ZERO libido and my balls basically sucked up to my body like they were going back in. It was really painful. The ball thing is about 50/50 now but the other sides are okay.

I am super healthy and I think that helped, also HOT BATHS and a heat pad become your best friend.

Im 33 and my two testosterone tests came back high 300 and lower 400.

Since stopping my hair is falling out like crazy.

Here is my advice "for whats its worth"

Eat fresh veggies, A LOT! My daily work lunch is a tupperware of fresh carrots, broccili, celery, green beans etc. I love it actually. There is no better absorb-able source of vitamins than fresh veggies.
Add a little extra LEAN red meat to your diet. a lil goes a long way and rare is better. NOT BURGER MEAT, make sure its good quality red meat that can be cooked very rare, not bloody.

Add ZINC, DHEA, D3, Glutamine and Argimine are good to add for test boosts (I use this http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4193179), fish oils,

WORK OUT


Maybe taper the drug a bit to let yoru body adjust and just find a dosage thats comfortable.
 

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SL747, How are you doing now? I asked in another thread.

I did have bad atrophy. When I am shut down, so to speak, my d*ck is like a short piece of garden hose. Like "hard flaccid" except it is cold and dead. My scrotum will also become really saggy and loose, like I am going to step on my b*lls if I am not careful.

I went to the uro, he thinks my issues are all muscular and some form of pelvic floor dysfunction. He doesn't believe that finasteride could cause this issues due to the swings in my symptoms, from feeling pretty "normal" to feeling terrible. Just last week, on 10/1, my libido was pretty darn good and my erections were close to normal. I was getting stiffies in the bar just looking at hotties thinking about sex, and now I am shut down. I had bad pain yesterday and the day before, including a slight burning when urinating. I had bloodwork last week, should know the results soon and will post. If my BW shows that my test has dropped, I may have to do away with finasteride. I really don't know what the heck is going on and why I have these swings, although prostatitis seems to be a pretty good explanation. I know (my GP and uro told me) that the initial crash was the result of quitting finasteride. Now, I just want to be normal again. I dropped my finasteride to .25mg/day and I am off Wellbutrin. I will post again with an update on bloodwork, etc. and I have an appointment with another uro (who treats prostatitis) for a second opinion at the end of the month.
 

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I've read prostisitus could be caused by finasteride crashes and use. Its altering your prostate which can allow bacteria to get in.

I have good and bad days. I wish my balls hung low again. Mine are still up a lot, I miss sitting on them. I sat on them the other day for the first time in a while and let out a sigh of relief.

They thought mine could have been muscular but its not.
My Ed is all cleared. The only thing I'm still dealing with is they don't hang like before unless I soak in a hut bath or use my heat pad which lossens it all up.
 

Valiant

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SL747, how long did it take to get the ED cleared? Did you also have libido issues? How is it now? Thanks.
 

swingline747

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Depends. Each time on finasteride the recovery was longer. This last time was a couple months. The ED always stops for immwdialey tho. Libido takes a while but lucky I'm a MASSIVE perv so it does come back. Like anything tho you'll have better days.
Not to sound like a wierdo but if your having those issues its prob a good idea to get one out yourself every day or so with some "stimulating" material....

I think much of recovery in those 2 aspects is mind over matter and it does help. Do the heat I've reccomended.

When on finasteride I was a sexless drone. I was always a hyper sexual person to the point it drove my ex's nuts lol so a libido issue to me is really kind of a huge issue.
 

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Thanks bro. I will do the heat. I also downloaded a copy of Heal Pelvic Pain which is a book by a well known physical therapist for pelvic floor dysfunction and I am trying some of the exercises. I am glad to hear that you are back sexually because that is a big part for guys. My situation is pretty f*cked up because I had prostatitis then quit finasteride. I had a crash as they say and I seemed to recover in about 10 weeks only to have a rollercoaster start. I am trying to be objective and addressing each problem the best I can. I do know all of the best p**rn sites now and sometimes I need to back off because I am getting too used to it. Last week I was looking at hot sites and sporting wood, now I can't raise an inch. I have burning pain in my lower abs and when I urinate. Pretty f`ed up life. I am getting blood work back and going to a prostatitis specialist and will keep the thread updated.
 

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Hot baths are the best.
Getting personal. Sit in the hot bath and try to get it up there. When my Ed was really bad I would do that to get the blood flow going.

Let me ask do you have an itch????
My urethra area has had this annoying burn/itch like an std. It started when my prostiditus bout flared and hasn't gone away. Doctor gave me jock itch cream but there is zero rash and it is no help.
I'm trying to get more anti biotics.
 

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Going to have a hot bath tonight. I don't have itch but I do have the burn. Pain during urination and at the tip of the penis can be a symptom of non-bacterial prostatitis which is usually the result of muscle dysfunction.
 
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