propecia libido question

[mr_sparkle]

Hey guys

I started taking finasteride nearly 5 months ago and has been fairly decent. I think there has been some regrowth but certainly no loss of hair.

In the first 2 weeks my libido decreased quite a lot. I could still jerk off but wouldn't be easy. But it increased soon after and balanced itself out...or at least I think it did.

Because I wasn't in a steady relationship I couldn't quite tell the extent of whether it was back to normal. Because I was focusing most of my attention of studies and other things...I guess I didn't analyse things too much. I could still jack off as regularly as before and assumed things were ok, as I wasn't getting laid. But it was a case of erectile disfunction

But I've began a relationship...and my erections are definately softer I have noticed. It was very hard to get it up (thankfully we didn't do anything so she didn't notice) but we will do soon, and obviously want to be able to get a nice firm hard on for her 8)

So there is still a decreased libido I feel. Or at least a form of erectile disfunction - as I still wanted her so badly in that sense... but the lack of firmness in my erections was the problem.

Would a reduced dosage to half a propecia tablet sort things out? Or should I quit completely?

OR is there perhaps a safe libido enhancer i could use alongside finasteride (avaliable in the uk)? Is L-Arginine the best bet? You can get it cheap from Holland and Barrets...is that the best idea?

For now I'm going to stop for the next couple of weeks and hope it returns to normal, but i've gotta think for the long term as well..

Thanks for any help

 

[joeylloyd]

This has been posted before but the drug cabergoline (brand name dostinex or cabaser) is a great libido enhancer and as a bonus will stop gyno dead through its prolactin reducing effects.

It is pretty expensive - about £60 but that should last you a year. Here's a report on it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1949087.stm

Good Luck with it.

 

[mr_sparkle]

where can you get it from though?

I was thinking of getting some L-Arginine maybe. But I'm not sure where from. Holland and Barrets sell it online but for £3.99 and says is more to do with metabolism than libido...

is there more than one type? Or do they just not want to mention it enhances the libido...?

 

[mr_sparkle]

Brilliant. Thanks for your help it's really appreciated.

Blood flow is mainly the problem however. I don't think i have any less desire for sex....it's just harder to get the blood flowing so I can get a firm erection.

Because this is the case...how natural and safe is that drug? Because my libido isn't particularly dead...it's just I guess I'm having a form of erectile disfunction (which only really started after propecia) and L-Arginine does the trick.

However if Cabaser (Cabergoline) is a safe and natural product....I'll probably take it anyway, just as a reassuring short term performance enhancer :lol: ! But does that help blood flow to the penis or does it just increase desire...cos i still have the desire if you see what i mean. Maybe both will be needed, or just a bit of fun!

It really means a lot to me to give her the best sex she could have. £60 for a years supply is fine.

Do you use this in conjunction with propecia? My plan of action is to quit propecia for a little while, get things back to normal whilst taking either L-Arginine and Casaber, and then take a recuced dosage of 0.5mg.

Would Casaber be good enough to just use with propecia and overcome the sides?

Also, is this bullshit? this gives me the impression the drug isn't safe

http://www.sexanddrugs.info/cabergoline.htm

reduce brain power? :freaked2:

But thanks for all the help so far. You're a legend! Any more info would be brilliant

 

[joeylloyd]

Cabergoline doesn't imprive blood flow no...however you can't underestimate how much a reduction in libido finasteride causes and how this impacts on sexual drive/performance.

Ultimately, as those studies mentioned..you are not going to get multiple orgasms as a man unless somehow you are maintaining your erection and yes, in my personal experience erection quality/duration is enhanced.

Still if you feel blood flow is an issue a drug like v**** or Cialis would be an alternative worth considering - however I believe that whilst they have their place cabergoline trumps it overall.

Regarding Cabergoline it is a relatively new drug but still been used in medicine for nearly 10 years without significant problems. I wouldn't recommend using it year round perhaps but periodically. This prevents attenuation to the drug's effects.

If using it for burning fat for which it is very good a two to three month cycle is appropriate.

If you look at their medical use dopamine agonists like Bromocriptine, Cabergoline, Pergolide etc are meant to restore/preserve brain function. This is through its impact on dopamine levels. This is also why they are touted by the anti aging crowd along with other drugs impacting dopamine like selegiline.


I don't know why I forgot to post this article before but this gives a far more comprehensive and scientific look at Cabergoline (The author talks about the brand Dostinex)

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindandmus ... 7&artID=22

 

[mr_sparkle]

the thing is....I'm not a body builder and nowhere near one! My body size is nothing like a body builders!

If I took the drug what precautions should I take? Will I need to eat a lot more to balance out the fat burning? Would I be able to take it alongside L-Arginine? I took 2g yesterday and noticed a difference in the trouser department .

A mere one day off propecia and taking 2g L-Arginine (as well as some Saw Palmetto and Zinc) and already things seem to be perking. But right now it's STILL not enough. But for day one it's good. Let's hope things continue to improve.

 

[joeylloyd]

Cabaser is not a bodybuilding drug in the sense you are thinking.

Ergo, it won't add muscle or make you lose weight etc - rather than help redistribute your retio of fat/muscle. For example (no idea how much you weigh) but the average mens health cover model is about 13st. Not big at all but with a low fat look. So no need to eat more or change your diet etc.

L-Arginine might be okay but you'd be better off with vaigra or cialis. The same site sells them pretty cheap. Really, arginine can't compare

 

[mr_sparkle]

ha I'm nowhere near 13 stone! Yet I look fairly toned. It's wierd.

I'm afraid of v****. I'm scared of what it'll do and the prospect of being someone who takes v**** scares me. It's a pride thing! for some reason L-Arginine doesn't seem as shameful. But that site does sell it dead cheap.

How quick is shipment to UK customers?

 

[elitenetpharmacy]

We saw this thread so given the question thought it best we answered.

You should expect to receive cabergoline next day from ordering.

If you have any specific questions we are happy to answer.

 

[joeylloyd]

ha I'm nowhere near 13 stone! Yet I look fairly toned. It's wierd.

I'm afraid of v****. I'm scared of what it'll do and the prospect of being someone who takes v**** scares me. It's a pride thing! for some reason L-Arginine doesn't seem as shameful. But that site does sell it dead cheap.

How quick is shipment to UK customers?

Not wierd really. A lean 13st man would resemble the look of a 100m runner,i.e. big to the average guy. I've been anywhere from 13 to 15st and thats the kind of look I have as a result. Dopamine agonists like cabergoline definitely help you convert fat into muscle.

Afraid of v****?? Haha - I know loads of guys mainly in their early 20's taking it to go all night long etc, just to try it out etc. Guaranteed you will override any effects from finasteride.

I ordered it and got it first class so next day iirc. Also, had an option to collect it in person which woulda been used if I needed to.

 

[mr_sparkle]

ordering some casaber now. See what happens. Might get v**** but if Casaber is better and improves orgasms....f*** it even regardless of propecia issues it could be good fun.

Oddly enough since this thread I quit propecia and took 2-4g L-Arginine last few days done 4) and my hard ons are MUCH more frequent and lasting. It actually seems to get better each day...it gets more noticeable. Whether it's the L-Arginine or the lack of propecia I dunno..

 

[not me!]

ordering some casaber now. See what happens. Might get v**** but if Casaber is better and improves orgasms....f*** it even regardless of propecia issues it could be good fun.

Oddly enough since this thread I quit propecia and took 2-4g L-Arginine last few days done 4) and my hard ons are MUCH more frequent and lasting. It actually seems to get better each day...it gets more noticeable. Whether it's the L-Arginine or the lack of propecia I dunno..

You probably should try the L-Argenine for two to four weeks before ordering. It definitely helped any time I thought mine weren't as strong as I wanted them.

 

[mr_sparkle]

maybe. I've ordered anyway. Just because I'm in this new relationship and want our first time together to be brilliant. With Casaber it will be.

Maybe L-Arginine will be enough but Casaber could be good to have just in case I do get back fully onto Propecia and need this to help. £60 is a lot but for a year's supply it's not too bad and it's only money really. Hair and a decent sex life is more important.

I don't really have time to wait around and see what works...otherwise she will wonder why I don't want to sleep with her.

 

[Subliminal]

No problems with libido here. I'm about 4 months on.

 

[hairhaircomeagain]

Why are you on liquid finasteride ? whats the diff/advantage ?

 

[Subliminal]

Why are you on liquid finasteride ? whats the diff/advantage ?

No difference. It was my first time buying and I didn't know of a good source other than the USP grade "research chemical" companies based here in the US. They're a trusted source for many ancillaries used by athletes. It's a good price too, 5 mg/ml x 30 ml. That's about 5 months worth for like $40.

But I recently got some Proscar as well from Inhouse pharm.

 

[joeylloyd]

Be careful ordering from liquid research firms - they have a habit of getting shut down.

On cabergoline here is some info for the OP:

From http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/inde ... c=2766&hair loss=

""Cabergoline increased libidoat 0.5 mg or greater, and seemed to add control over ejaculation at 1.0 mg or greater, but at 1.0 mg or greater produced a nasty "foggy" feeling lasting for 3 or 4 hours the next day. At 1.5 mg dose, will eliminate first refractory period. Unsure whether the "foggy" feeling ceases to occur if Cabergoline is used regularly."

iow, take 1/8 of a tab (0.5mg) only twice a week to begin with.

Also found this study

I found this study

A good comparison below and some food for thought...Rx medications (bromo) - can be found after seeing a Dr. and getting a prescription for the particular medication...

Eur J Endocrinol. 1998 Mar;138(3):286-93.

Cabergoline treatment rapidly improves gonadal function in hyperprolactinemic males: a comparison with bromocriptine.
De Rosa M, Colao A, Di Sarno A, Ferone D, Landi ML, Zarrilli S, Paesano L, Merola B, Lombardi G.
Department of Endocrinology and Molecular and Clinical Oncology, Federico II University, Naples, Italy.

This study evaluated the effects of chronic treatment with cabergoline (CAB), a new, potent and long-lasting ergoline-derived dopamine agonist, on seminal fluid parameters and sexual and gonadal function in hyperprolactinemic males in comparison with the effect of bromocriptine (BRC) treatment. Seventeen males with macroprolactinoma were treated with CAB at a dose of 0.5-1.5 mg/week (n = 7), or BRC at a dose of 5-15 mg/day (n = 10) for 6 months. Baseline prolactin (PRL) was 925.7 +/- 522.6 microg/l in the CAB-treated group and 1059.4 +/- 297.6 microg/l in the BRC-treated group. All the patients suffered from libido impairment, ten from reduced sexual potency, and six had infertility. In five patients provocative bilateral galactorrhea was found. Seminal fluid analysis, functional seminal tests and penis rigidity and tumescence, measured by nocturnal penile tumescence (NPT) using Rigiscan equipment, were assessed before and after 1, 3 and 6 months of CAB or BRC treatment. Hormone profiles were assessed before and after 15, 30, 60, 90 and 180 days of both treatments. Before treatment, all patients had a low sperm count with oligoasthenospermia, reduced motility and rapid progression with an abnormal morphology and decreased viability, and a low number of erections. After 1 month, serum PRL levels were significantly reduced in both groups of patients (20.6 +/- 6.6 microg/l during CAB and 256.3 +/- 115.1 microg/l during BRC treatment) and were normalized after 6 months in all patients (CAB: 7.9 +/- 2.2 microg/l; BRC: 16.7 +/- 1.8 microg/l). After 6 months, a significant increase of number, total motility, rapid progression and normal morphology was recorded in patients treated with both CAB and BRC. An increase in the number of erections during the first 3 months of both treatments was noted by NPT. However, the improvements in seminal fluid parameters and sexual function were more evident and rapid in patients treated with CAB. The number of erections was normalized after 6 months of treatment in all patients submitted to CAB treatment, and in all patients but one treated by BRC. In addition, a significant increase of serum testosterone (from 3.7 +/- 0.3 to 5.3 +/- 0.2 microg/l) and dihydrotestosterone (from 0.4 +/- 0.1 to 1.1 +/- 0.1 nmol/l) was recorded. At the beginning of treatment, mild side-effects were recorded in two patients after CAB and mild-to-moderate side-effects in five patients after BRC administration. The treatment with CAB normalized PRL levels, improving gonadal and sexual function and fertility in males with prolactinoma, earlier than did BRC treatment, providing good tolerability and excellent patient compliance to medical treatment.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Randomized Controlled Trial
PMID: 9539303 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[mr_sparkle]

how on earth do you split those tablets into 1/8ths?

Mine arrived today. so you reccoment I split a tablet into 1/8ths and take a tablet, say...tomorrow and then tuesda, and then friday again etc?

 

[joeylloyd]

Yeah as per my PM.

Splitting into 1/8ths is awkward but just try to get close or just make 1 tablet last for 4 weeks. I suppose you could take a 1/4 tablet once a week but 1/8 twice a week even if it isn't an exact 1/8 would be better.

Remember to keep your carbs up and let us know what positive effects you notice. A bit of sleepiness and feeling of low blood sugar will tell you it is working. Expect not just a boost to sex drive but also (reason I got it) a more toned physique.

 

[mr_sparkle]

well I took my first 1/8th sunday and second yesterday.

I've noticed no real difference really. I did feel slightly drowsy on Sunday but I put that down more to the fact I was swimming and running during the day and that probably wore me out. I'm not feeling any drowsiness atm. Nor does my libido feel any different really.

Is it too early to get anything or is something horribly wrong with my casaber? Should I up my dosage?