Poly-GRO procyanidin b-2 topical

Old Baldy

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Jacob said:
http://www.applepolyphenols.com/suppliers.htm

"This new formulation contains 400% more apple procyanidins than the one used in the hair growth studies, and is said to be stronger than Medicated Mohkatsurin PB, the commercial formula from Japan. A limited supply of the prototype is now available at http://www.applepoly.com/procyanidin-b-2"

Thanks for the info.!
 

Jacob

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Ingredients: DEIONIZED WATER, PROPRIETARY APPLE PROCYANIDINS 4%, DENATURED ALCOHOL, ALOE LEAF EXTRACT, ASCORBYL PALMITATE, TOCOPHEROL, RETINYL PALMITATE PROPYLENE GLYCOL, FRAGRANCE


Wonder if they could do w/out the pg and fragrance....
 

oni

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Where is the info on this "Japanese study" done in 2000?
 

JackWhite

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What a load of junk. Their supposed results are just a sale pitch. I pity the person who falls for this and places their order right away. To be shipped direct to their door! Woohoo!
 

Jacob

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These are the "studies" etc that I'm aware of. At least one is of the same small group of ppl but it's the 12 month mark.

http://www.thecosmeticsite.com/formulat ... 59971.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract

http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... mimura.htm

http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... ahashi.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/200202201144 ... 991101.htm



Some more info from them:

"When we first looked at the original lab formula that grew new hair in the
clinical trials, we had the same thought about the alcohol. The lab formula
was 10% ethanol. Our first attempts at formulations with no alcohol were
unsuccessful, in several ways. The color was unstable, the "fragrance" was
unpleasant, and the polyphenols would not stay in solution over time.

We worked backward from the 10% until we found a far lower alcohol content
that would still retain the characteristics we required. We found that less
than 3% was enough to stabilize the formula.

Chemically, plant phenolics are essentially natural alcohols. (They're not
classified as alcohols only because the hydroxyl group is not bonded to a
saturated carbon atom).

The propylene glycol is a trace amount, just enough to stabilize the
fragrance. Propolene glycol is a transdermal vector- more might increase
penetration. To produce a PG-free formula might be possible down the road,
but we'd have to beat the fragrance problem some other way. So far, we
haven't found anything better."
 

oni

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hmmmmm if it's such a good treatment........................................... :roll:
 

Jacob

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Are you referring to minoxidil? :lol:

These pro's are in the product I had Elsom make for me. I think they're a good addition to anyone's regimen.
 

Old Baldy

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Jacob said:
These are the "studies" etc that I'm aware of. At least one is of the same small group of ppl but it's the 12 month mark.

http://www.thecosmeticsite.com/formulat ... 59971.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract

http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... mimura.htm

http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... ahashi.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/200202201144 ... 991101.htm



Some more info from them:

"When we first looked at the original lab formula that grew new hair in the
clinical trials, we had the same thought about the alcohol. The lab formula
was 10% ethanol. Our first attempts at formulations with no alcohol were
unsuccessful, in several ways. The color was unstable, the "fragrance" was
unpleasant, and the polyphenols would not stay in solution over time.

We worked backward from the 10% until we found a far lower alcohol content
that would still retain the characteristics we required. We found that less
than 3% was enough to stabilize the formula.

Chemically, plant phenolics are essentially natural alcohols. (They're not
classified as alcohols only because the hydroxyl group is not bonded to a
saturated carbon atom).

The propylene glycol is a trace amount, just enough to stabilize the
fragrance. Propolene glycol is a transdermal vector- more might increase
penetration. To produce a PG-free formula might be possible down the road,
but we'd have to beat the fragrance problem some other way. So far, we
haven't found anything better."

If you'd start making your own topicals you could use Germaban which has about 60 percent PPG. Stabilizes the fragrance very well.
 
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