Persistent Side effects of propecia? ( I may be of help)

[bodill32]

Hi, I briefly took this drug for 9 days and immediately discontinued after it's use upon discovering dangerous side effects and possibilites. I had determined it simply was not worth the risk.

However I have since obsessed over it reading and reading on multiple forums seeing these people suffering and being told improper protocols and some doing none at all. As a competitve bodybuilder and avid steroid user I feel I can help those who have not taken any protocol to recover from what ever hormonal damage this drug may have left them with.

I myself have suffered and recovered from multiple hormonal screw ups and imbalances from steroid usage and experiments in cycles leaving me with similar and worse symptoms related to propecia. It has come to my attention that this drug shuts down the HPTA much like synthetic steroids do leaving it other wise screwed after discontinuation.

Now.. much like after a cycle, once you quit it leaves your hpta screwed. low testosterone, off the wall levels involving estrogen, prolactin etc etc.. also much like after a cycle, though not impossible, it's unlikely that you will simply "recover" from this state from simple supplements much less on your own. Pharm grade drugs need pharma grade drugs to fix pharma grade screw ups. simple as that. It leaves you with lower levels than a school girl and requires a powerful regime to kick start and put things back in place. Also things to note is.. it's not fun, I read people quit just a week into the pct regime. You will feel like crap, clomid and pct does that, it's a rough game gents, that's why most pros don't ever like coming off.

For the ones who see endo's (who know a bucket of crap from piss) when it comes to the reality of these drugs. It seems they are having these guys take off the freaking wall protocols which would make you want to commit suicide alone. EX: arimidex only pct? holy crap man.. NO. it kills estro. or clomid and letro?? hell no man.. Letro is potent as heck and is an estrogen suicide drug just like ADEX, too low of estro and kiss libido goodbye. I messed up once and took arimidex into my pct? I felt like my brain was dying and had weird internal head feelings etc.. not to mention couldnt even close my hand from dry joints. and this is after high test levels! imagine running this powerful AI with someone who has virtually no test to convert to estro!!

anyway, I'm here to help in anyway I can, answer questions and give advice BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE.

I have exp, with multiple steroids : testosterone cypionate, propionate, enanthate. Sustanon, Equipoise, Masteron, Dianbol, Anadrol, Turanabol, Superdrol, Deca Durabolin.

PCT drugs SERMS AND SARMS: clomid, nolvadex, arimidex, aromasin and letro

 

[bodill32]

I know enough to know the effects of inhibting dht and the 5ar enzyme (far more dangerous than any synthetic hormone). When you use a drug that inhibits or subsitutes hormones, there will be effects, It is not rocket science.. It has a direct impact on hormones which is how it does what it does. I like my dick and I like using it. Don't be such an idiot. I'm simply offering information and help for those who are effected and don't know how to recover. thanks

 

[zzzzz]

I know enough to know the effects of inhibting dht and the 5ar enzyme (far more dangerous than any synthetic hormone). When you use a drug that inhibits or subsitutes hormones, there will be effects, It is not rocket science.. It has a direct impact on hormones which is how it does what it does. I like my dick and I like using it. Don't be such an idiot. I'm simply offering information and help for those who are effected and don't know how to recover. thanks

you have no idea what you are talking about. You act like the types of DHT inhibited by finasteride are absolutely essential. They are not in an adult (or at least not at the high levels they would be naturally, nor are the levels of a finasteride user dangerous or damagining in anyway)

A lot of steroids (most of them) are dangerous, and have long term effects or impact on your endocrine system especially if taken incorrectly, far, far beyond whatever could be reasonably argued against finasteride

 

[bodill32]

You're 20.. and obviously don't have a clue of anything you say. Please do some research on the 5ar enzyme and it's role as well as dht in the human body to begin with the neurological balance and pathways. After, then you can dive in the simpler effects it can have on the simplistic hormones such as testosterone and hormonal balance. I am not here to argue, I am here simply to provide some help for those who need it in regards to HPTA function suffering from the use of a drug that has a direct impact on such. I regards to that, I'd appreciate if you refrained from posting on this topic as it's quite clear your knowledge is "lacking" at best.

Thanks

 

[zzzzz]

why did you delete the original post

 

[bodill32]

I didn't, I edited the curse words so it was easily understandable. I believe a moderator must approve it first before it can be posted.

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I didn't, I edited the curse words so it was easily understandable. I believe a moderator must approve it first before it can be posted.

Incase the OP is not reinstated by moderator since I edited it, here is a brief rundown.

for those who are suffering from persistent side effects and have bloods to show your HPTA has not come back up to speed, I would recommend a basic pct protocol much like that of a steroid user (me) applies after a cycle. Finasteride effects the HPTA in a very similar way as it leaves the HPTA shutdown and in a away of confusion just like the ending of a steroid cycle. Though not impossible it is very unlikely to recover from use of simple supplements much less naturally just like with steroids. Pharma grade drugs require Pharma grade protocols to fix Pharma grade damage. In all honesty and reality most endo's don't really have a clue as to what is needed to recover from such dibilitating HPTA stressors and unfortunately wind up doing more harm than good by prescribing and administering off the wall protocols. (such as arimidex and letro only protocols or clomid and arimidex).

I've read countless posts about people who tried said such protocols (arimidex only or arimidex and letro or with clomid etc etc) and find it worsening.. NOT A SURPRISE.. Armidex is known as a suicide drug as it completely inhibits and eliminates estrogen (which can leave with far worse and debilitating symptoms and effects and thus leaving libido and sexual function worsened.) Arimidex and it's even stronger accomplice letro, SHOULD NOT be used in conjunction with any PCT protocol. These are very strong AI's used with EXTREME high dosages of steroids ex: 750mg to 1000+mg of testosterone a week ( EVEN THEN) the dosage is limited to .5mg EOD at MAX. I simply could not imagine running .5mg ED or EOD for someone with low T.. total devistation.. I had accidentally carried on my Arimidex into my pct, BIG MISTAKE.. I felt like my brain was being chemically dissolved, weird sensations and not to mention I could barely close my hands due to dry joints from complete depletion of estro.

I offer my help based on my KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE through 8 years of successful and FAILED trials of steroids and PCT's

My experience is with:

Steroids: testosterone propionate, enanthate, cypionate and sustanon. Masteron, equipoise, deca durabolin, dianabol, turanabol, anadrol.

PCT drugs: (SERMS AND SARMS): nolvadex, clomid, letro, aromasin, HCG


FOR THOSE WHO EXPERIENCED A CRASH AND HAVE NOT RECOVERED:

I would suggest running a simple pct protocol such as

Clomid week 1-4: (day 1 100mg) followed by 50mg ED until total end of 4 weeks.
Nolvadex week 1-4: (week 1-2 40mg ed, week 3-4 20mg ed) ex: 40/40/20/20
HCG week 1-4: (week 1 1000iu ED (5 Days) week 2 off (week 3 1000iu ED (5days) week 4 off

Upon this I would cycle natural supplements periodically to influence natural production and keep it strong IE: tribulus (i find ultimate nutrition brand to work the best and they hold patent), tongkat ali, zinc, L-arginine etc.

Things to note: I've read many people on propeciahelp etc quit the clomid and pct protocol not even a week in by reporting "no change, not helping, made me feel worse etc" well yeah.. It takes longer than a week gents, it will make you feel weird and bad, it's changing your hormones, you have to stick through though. This is why most steroid users can't come off, they're afraid of losing that high.

AGAIN I offer help based ON MY EXPERIENCE ONLY, I am NOT a doctor.