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I am thinking between 1.5 and 2.5! Your opinion according to these pics?
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Norwood 2. The hairline has clearly receded but the temples are in decent shape.
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s.a.f said:
You said the same thing to me and another person whos name I forgot. Why are you saying this? It's better to catch it early.
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Because you have both blown your problem out of all proportion. I wish I was in your situation. If I was then I would'nt be on this forum. I'd just take propecia and forget about it. To hear you talk about it you would think that you you had a highly obvious problem when I'm sure that most people would'nt even notice a thing.
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Eh, we all deal with things differently. I am also a lot younger than you are, so of course my hair is better. I'm barely into my 20s. i wouldn't care as much if it started happening in my thirties or forties. i suspect taugenichts and most people wouldn't care as much either.
Regardless, by telling him that he doesn't have a problem, you are lying to him and if he listens to you then it will be a mistake. Drugs work the best when started early. He has moderate thinning at the vertex. He also has a receding hairline which appears to be about 3 inches above the eyebrows and his temples were receding a little bit before he started the drugs. He needs to take propecia to stop it. He most certainly is balding. I hope he listens to me and stays on the board and keeps taking it.
No offense.
Regardless, by telling him that he doesn't have a problem, you are lying to him and if he listens to you then it will be a mistake. Drugs work the best when started early. He has moderate thinning at the vertex. He also has a receding hairline which appears to be about 3 inches above the eyebrows and his temples were receding a little bit before he started the drugs. He needs to take propecia to stop it. He most certainly is balding. I hope he listens to me and stays on the board and keeps taking it.
No offense.
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I dont mind taugenichts being on here but I think that like you the amount of time he spends on here is contributing to his obsession with hair. He is not a newbie and is fully aware of all the meds and treatments available so he does'nt need to research anymore. If like you he is just looking to pass on his knowledge to others or confide in fellow sufferers thats ok. But I really feel it would be more benificial to his wellbeing if he just got on with life and concentrated on other things. He is 27 I believe, at that age many guys who are effected by m.p.b have reached nw3/4/5 so he's not doing too badly.
He still has a good head of hair, maybe not the same one that he had aged17 but its still fine. So what if there is a slight recession when he pulls his fringe back and looks closely in the mirror?
I could compare it with a guy who is 3lbs overwieght spending hours on a forum for the clinicly obese. Honestly 99% of the general public would'nt notice anything wrong with his hair.
The fact is that I think in the longterm we are all fighting a losing battle with m.p.b. Trying to change what your body is geneticly programmed to do is a massive task so the chances are we are all going to be dissapointed in the end. In my opinion dutasteride and finasteride are the only effective treatments but all they can do is slow things down and help you keep onto what you have for a few more years.
Yes you are right about it being easier to accept as you get older. I'm 32 now but I dont like to see young guys make the mistakes I did by letting a small degree of hairloss cause them so much anxiety and influence their lives (especialy social lives etc) at what should be the best time of their lives.
He still has a good head of hair, maybe not the same one that he had aged17 but its still fine. So what if there is a slight recession when he pulls his fringe back and looks closely in the mirror?
I could compare it with a guy who is 3lbs overwieght spending hours on a forum for the clinicly obese. Honestly 99% of the general public would'nt notice anything wrong with his hair.
The fact is that I think in the longterm we are all fighting a losing battle with m.p.b. Trying to change what your body is geneticly programmed to do is a massive task so the chances are we are all going to be dissapointed in the end. In my opinion dutasteride and finasteride are the only effective treatments but all they can do is slow things down and help you keep onto what you have for a few more years.
Yes you are right about it being easier to accept as you get older. I'm 32 now but I dont like to see young guys make the mistakes I did by letting a small degree of hairloss cause them so much anxiety and influence their lives (especialy social lives etc) at what should be the best time of their lives.
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JayMan said:
Sorry, but I can't see where you're coming from on that. Those pics are bollocks, we can't see any temples at all, just a straight hairline basically. Maybe we're seeing different pics, but I can't even see his vertex so I don't know what you're saying about it thinning.
He could be balding, but he could well not be either, we need better pics. Far from certain.
Also, don't think it's because you're more sensitive about hair loss due to your age - I used to be paranoid and look for signs of hair loss on everyone, but you get over it pretty quick. I'm 19 now, and have a more pronounced V shape than this guy (who's 27, no?) and I get compliments about my hair and how i have such strong hair genes and will never go bald, I know it's not just me.
He looks fine to me, he can take propecia if he thinks he needs it, but it certainly isn't for everyone.
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Take a look at the pics in his story thread. He has a little thinning on the front-vertex tho' I think it's well under control.
Best to get on these meds early if you're the kind of person who obsesses about it.
Personally I'd like to see a good picture of a non-balding person's head taking into account a high level of stress and a seasonal shed. It might help put things into context.
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Hey guys,
thank you all for your comments and opinions. I basically agree with Jayman about my Norwood being a 2. And I will definetly continue with finasteride.
@s.a.f.: The problem may not be too obvious for now and if one would guarantee me that I would be like that in my forties I would leave this forum forever. But I am definetly thinning and even worse, I have receded in the last months before I started finasteride. Just 2 years ago I used to have an incredible thickness with a perfect Norwood 1 hairline but then I started to find more and more hairs falling down. At first I was in denial and thought that it was normal to lose up to 100 hairs a day. But then I noticed how thin my hair looked when wet and realized that I have even receded about 7 milimeters. So we can assume that I have a rather agressive hair loss judging from the density I have lost over the past two years.
I agree with you that I probably shouldn´t be here that much, but I have become obsessed by my hair and the fear that I might lose it completly. I simply love it. And this forum has so many other people who share the love for hair and the fear of losing it so that I feel good when I am among them. We are brothers in mind.
thank you all for your comments and opinions. I basically agree with Jayman about my Norwood being a 2. And I will definetly continue with finasteride.
@s.a.f.: The problem may not be too obvious for now and if one would guarantee me that I would be like that in my forties I would leave this forum forever. But I am definetly thinning and even worse, I have receded in the last months before I started finasteride. Just 2 years ago I used to have an incredible thickness with a perfect Norwood 1 hairline but then I started to find more and more hairs falling down. At first I was in denial and thought that it was normal to lose up to 100 hairs a day. But then I noticed how thin my hair looked when wet and realized that I have even receded about 7 milimeters. So we can assume that I have a rather agressive hair loss judging from the density I have lost over the past two years.
I agree with you that I probably shouldn´t be here that much, but I have become obsessed by my hair and the fear that I might lose it completly. I simply love it. And this forum has so many other people who share the love for hair and the fear of losing it so that I feel good when I am among them. We are brothers in mind.
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Ok at first I didn't even think you were losing hair. I just looked at your pics from your story section and yes you have some diffusion but no way you are a Norwood 2.
You're a 1.5/diffuse at most. I'm I saying not to take finasteride? Of course not, its best to catch it early, but seriously man, you need to worry less about your hair. I'm your same age (24) and I'm worst than you.
You're a 1.5/diffuse at most. I'm I saying not to take finasteride? Of course not, its best to catch it early, but seriously man, you need to worry less about your hair. I'm your same age (24) and I'm worst than you.
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JayMan said:
I don't understand how telling certain people they don't have a problem is 'lying' to them. I'm sure that you understand that norwood 2 is NOT balding? Almost all white males will develop into a norwood 2. If other factors such as thinning (apparently in the case of this thread starter) and family history are in play then there is certainly more cause to act sooner. I am not taking issue with you in particular but rather a general persuasion on this board that you must immediately start drugs such as propecia as soon as you hit norwood 2.
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balding_fast112 said:
of course i understand that balding fast, in fact i have posted about juvenile vs mature hairlines many times on this board. but if someone who has a receding hairline ALSO has vertex thinning, then chances are that it's male pattern baldness, because crown thinning is not part of the normal maturing halrine that 95% of Caucasian males get. See what I'm saying?
in fact i made a post just an hour ago in which the poster thought they were balding but i thought it was just normal hairline maturation.
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JayMan said:
Yeah that's fair enough. Like I said it wasn't your post I was really taking issue with, but rather how some (uninformed) posters on this board will dispense exaggerated advice on here to vulnerable younger members.
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balding_fast112 said:
Yeah that's fair enough. Like I said it wasn't your post I was really taking issue with, but rather how some (uninformed) posters on this board will dispense exaggerated advice on here to vulnerable younger members.[/quote:e5701]
I agree. I take issue with people on here who encourage newbies to start on drugs like Propecia or Avodart without first consulting a doctor. minoxidil is another story because it can have no ill side effects and is a rather tame topical compared to those two oral prescription medications.