HairlossTalk
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To All My Users:
When I sign off and walk outside into the real world where real scientists are, everyone agrees that you should require clinical data from any product for any condition. When I sign back on to this hair loss site, folks from other websites actually criticize us for having this view. Somehow this website has actually been condemned for holding to the logic and requirements that the *Entire Medical and Research Commity* holds to.
The entire scientific community bases everything it has ever done on the scientific method of clinical trials, controlls, placebo based data, and double blind studies. Every single condition on this planet surrounds itself in such research. There isn't a single Scientist who will consider any product worth using without this sort of solid scientific evidence.. Yet in hair loss circles, such logic is actually spat upon by uneducated individuals who have proclaimed themselves guinea pigs or self appointed scientists.
A bunch of guy who have zero scientific training, zero education on what is required of a legitimate hair loss product, and zero respect for science or the process by which we test products for effectiveness and safety running rampant all over these forums. They don't care about clinical data. They make comments such as "Propecia and Rogaine are old news. We are cutting edge!" They don't require hair counts. They don't require controls. and they don't have any understanding of the value of safety data collected in trials.
This has resulted in constant cycles of new obscure concoctions coming out of nowhere, existing solely on hair loss websites, and leading hundreds and even thousands of unknowing users to distraction from clinically proven treatments. Without fail such "fads" fizzle to nothing within 6 months. But each time they come, HairlossTalk has to endure sarcastic, disrespectful, rude, snide comments from their proponents simply because we do not embrace that which we do not feel is sufficiently tested. This has got to end.
I volunteer at Scripps Research Institute here in San Diego in their AIDS and Cancer research center. It is like a breath of fresh air to go there. These people are the most intelligent people on this planet, and not surprisingly, phrases like "Double Blind" and "Where is the data on that?" are some of the most common phrases.
You are entitled to pour anything on your head that you want. You are not entitled to claim that it worked for you if you are also using Propecia and Rogaine and 10 other things as part of your regimen. You are not entield to criticize this site for not embracing your way of thinking. You are not entitled to take reality and do a 180 with it, making those who require scientific evidence sound like they are in the minority, or to call them "close minded" or "a***".
I made this site to steer people away from that which has no science backing it, but I feel like a scientist living in pre-rennaisance times sometimes. Like we are the only ones who believes in the scientific method, and everyone else is still running around pouring dirt on their head and calling us heretics. This is backwards logic.
It is only in "hair loss circles" that I have *ever* seen such a large number of people so willing to waste their money on products that they have no reason to believe will work. There is no other condition on this planet like this. Maybe its out of desperation. Maybe its just a complete lack of education. Who knows.
I would like to hear some direct responses to the above from guys who criticize this site for not focusing enough on things we don't have any reason to believe will work. Im open to a discussion.
HairLossTalk.com
When I sign off and walk outside into the real world where real scientists are, everyone agrees that you should require clinical data from any product for any condition. When I sign back on to this hair loss site, folks from other websites actually criticize us for having this view. Somehow this website has actually been condemned for holding to the logic and requirements that the *Entire Medical and Research Commity* holds to.
The entire scientific community bases everything it has ever done on the scientific method of clinical trials, controlls, placebo based data, and double blind studies. Every single condition on this planet surrounds itself in such research. There isn't a single Scientist who will consider any product worth using without this sort of solid scientific evidence.. Yet in hair loss circles, such logic is actually spat upon by uneducated individuals who have proclaimed themselves guinea pigs or self appointed scientists.
A bunch of guy who have zero scientific training, zero education on what is required of a legitimate hair loss product, and zero respect for science or the process by which we test products for effectiveness and safety running rampant all over these forums. They don't care about clinical data. They make comments such as "Propecia and Rogaine are old news. We are cutting edge!" They don't require hair counts. They don't require controls. and they don't have any understanding of the value of safety data collected in trials.
This has resulted in constant cycles of new obscure concoctions coming out of nowhere, existing solely on hair loss websites, and leading hundreds and even thousands of unknowing users to distraction from clinically proven treatments. Without fail such "fads" fizzle to nothing within 6 months. But each time they come, HairlossTalk has to endure sarcastic, disrespectful, rude, snide comments from their proponents simply because we do not embrace that which we do not feel is sufficiently tested. This has got to end.
I volunteer at Scripps Research Institute here in San Diego in their AIDS and Cancer research center. It is like a breath of fresh air to go there. These people are the most intelligent people on this planet, and not surprisingly, phrases like "Double Blind" and "Where is the data on that?" are some of the most common phrases.
You are entitled to pour anything on your head that you want. You are not entitled to claim that it worked for you if you are also using Propecia and Rogaine and 10 other things as part of your regimen. You are not entield to criticize this site for not embracing your way of thinking. You are not entitled to take reality and do a 180 with it, making those who require scientific evidence sound like they are in the minority, or to call them "close minded" or "a***".
I made this site to steer people away from that which has no science backing it, but I feel like a scientist living in pre-rennaisance times sometimes. Like we are the only ones who believes in the scientific method, and everyone else is still running around pouring dirt on their head and calling us heretics. This is backwards logic.
It is only in "hair loss circles" that I have *ever* seen such a large number of people so willing to waste their money on products that they have no reason to believe will work. There is no other condition on this planet like this. Maybe its out of desperation. Maybe its just a complete lack of education. Who knows.
I would like to hear some direct responses to the above from guys who criticize this site for not focusing enough on things we don't have any reason to believe will work. Im open to a discussion.
HairLossTalk.com
