Oily Hair

[sundevilb3]

Hey guys,

I have noticed that after my hair is dry and clean after showering, my hair looks great. However, as the day goes on and my scalp gets oily etc. the thin hairs tend to stick to each other and provide less coverage. Has anyone come across this problem and discovered a way to make your hair look fuller throughout the day?

thanks

 

[JustBreathe]

Yup, same problem.

uhhhh....i do have this really dry wax stuff which seems to help a 'little' bit its called "label m. matt paste" pretty sure any dry wax would help a wee bit.

 

[The Gardener]

Try a different shampoo. If you are using a "moisturizing" shampoo, I suggest switching to a normal one.

 

[powersam]

honestly try washing your hair less. washing your hair all the time means it will produce more oil to make up for all the stuff you strip out daily.

give this a try, wash your hair with conditioner only for a week or two and see if your hair becomes oily slower. you'll have to use a bit more than you would shampoo but it does clean your hair, and a lot more gently than shampoo will

 

[brevardo]

I am in the exact same situation as my hair and scalp is oily and at 9am it looks great and then around 3 or 4 it gets thin looking just like sundevilb3 said. I have been taking L-Lysine at lunch time and I must admit that it makes my hair look much better as it seems to give it texture. I also notice that on days I take a multi vitamin , it makes a difference in my hair. Cerian foods seem to make it look more oily on days when I don't take vitamins or L- Lysine. Hope this helps.

 

[JustBreathe]

Very true about different foods affecting how our hair feels/looks.

After my three glasses of green tea my hair tends to start feeling great, well, all of me feels great.

After eating pizza....my scalp/hair feels disgusting..im currently in the process of phasing out junk food/soda....etc its actually really easy.

 

[powersam]

but will you ever be able to give up the raw squid..

 

[The Gardener]

or the angel dust..

 

[JustBreathe]

Give up the squid are you mad man?!?

After 8 months on the angel dust i had a horrible shed and lost 47.39% of my density, but it seems to have stablized now....

i order it from crackhousepharmacy.com, they are great.

 

[blaze]

honestly try washing your hair less. washing your hair all the time means it will produce more oil to make up for all the stuff you strip out daily.

give this a try, wash your hair with conditioner only for a week or two and see if your hair becomes oily slower. you'll have to use a bit more than you would shampoo but it does clean your hair, and a lot more gently than shampoo will

DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS ADVICE.

It is not accurate and will not make your hair any less oily than it already is. Actually it will cause your hair to get oilier quicker, because people with thin oily hair dont really need conditioner at all. Use Nizoral and maybe Revivogen shampoo. But DO shampoo.

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[Bryan]

Androgens control sebum output not shampoo.

You are correct. Washing has no effect on sebum production.

Bryan

 

[powersam]

my case is not atypical, you'll find that most dermatologists reccommend you wash your hair far less than once a day. washing my hair less has made it look and feel less oily and if it doesnt feel or look oily then who cares where the sebum is?

bryan is sebum the only oil/grease like substance on the scalp? also hasnt the validity of that kligman study been brought into question?

edit: additional:

'The oil on the surface of skin is a complex mixture of sebum, lipids (from the surface skin cells), sweat and environmental material. '

noone can deny that washing with detergents etc has an effect on the lipids, so perhaps that is why i have experienced what i have with less hair washing. i've got no idea what effect detergents have on skin and how much it sweats but could also be a factor . i really think people give too much thought to sebum

 

[Bryan]

my case is not atypical, you'll find that most dermatologists reccommend you wash your hair far less than once a day.

I've never heard such a recommendation from a dermatologist.

washing my hair less has made it look and feel less oily and if it doesnt feel or look oily then who cares where the sebum is?

I can't imagine why that would be the case.

bryan is sebum the only oil/grease like substance on the scalp?

Sebum comprises the vast majority of the oil on the skin/scalp. I've read estimates that lipids of purely epidermal origin probably comprise less than 5% or so of the total.

also hasnt the validity of that kligman study been brought into question?

Which one are you talking about?

Bryan

 

[powersam]

Studies on the Effect of Shampoos on Scalp Hair Lipids and Bacteria", Kligman. though now that i think back it may have been foote who questioned it an i dont wanna start another verbal war. 3 derms now have warned against overshampooing, and other people who i've spoken to have recieved the same advice. and it was also mentioned in a book about skin health by dr hugh molloy, who was interviewed here http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/hel ... /s2015.htm .

as to the oiliness i'm obviously wrong about that, and it must just be that i percieve my hair to feel and look less oily than it is. but i'm still against shampooing every day though its hard not to with all the topicals people use.

one question though, bryan is that klipgman study the only one you've seen about the effects of shampoo on sebum etc?

 

[Armando Jose]

Bryan wrote:
Sebum comprises the vast majority of the oil on the skin/scalp. I've read estimates that lipids of purely epidermal origin probably comprise less than 5% or so of the total.

Then it's easy suposse that the 95% of the oil substances came from sebaceous gland. It is right?

Armando

 

[powersam]

well that would seem obvious, was there a point to that remark?

 

[Armando Jose]

I want remark the importance of sebaceous gland and sebum regarding common baldness. If the 95% of oily substances came from sebaceous gland and most of person with hair loss suffer from problems with sebum. Then, which is the role of sebaceous gland in male pattern baldness?
I think that sebum have a key role in the multifactorial events in hair loss, and maybe the initial trigger.

Armando

 

[S Foote.]

Studies on the Effect of Shampoos on Scalp Hair Lipids and Bacteria", Kligman. though now that i think back it may have been foote who questioned it an i dont wanna start another verbal war. 3 derms now have warned against overshampooing, and other people who i've spoken to have recieved the same advice. and it was also mentioned in a book about skin health by dr hugh molloy, who was interviewed here http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/hel ... /s2015.htm .

as to the oiliness i'm obviously wrong about that, and it must just be that i percieve my hair to feel and look less oily than it is. but i'm still against shampooing every day though its hard not to with all the topicals people use.

one question though, bryan is that klipgman study the only one you've seen about the effects of shampoo on sebum etc?

My personal beef with Kligman's "in-vitro" testing, was that it cannot possibly be representitive of what happens in the body (in-vivo). Kligman tested for any "wicking" effect by dipping hairs into sebum. The conclusion being that hair does not "absorb" any sebum.

In the hair follicle itself, the newly formed hair cells are being "knitted" together to form the hair shaft, in a sebum "bath", so there has got to be some inclusion of sebum within the hair shaft in my opinion.

Aside from the original debate about the validity of Kligmans tests, there are other interesting effects upon hair growth when sebum production is absent due to genetic mutation.

http://ajp.amjpathol.org/cgi/content/full/156/6/2067

It seems to me from this study and other studies in certain breeds of dog, that sebum within the follicle is very important.

I think the sebum is lubricating the progress of the hair shaft through the follicle. Without this lubrication the friction can cause irritation, and the ultimate scarring alopecia reported. The hair shaft can grow through the follicles, and eventually the follicles are destroyed by this local immunology in my opinion.

I personaly don't think washing the hair often increases sebum production, as i see no realistic mechanism for this.

I think what "may" happen is that the skin temperature is raised by the hot water and any hair drier. This would warm up the sebum in the sebaceous glands "thinning" it, and allowing a post washing increase in secretion from the glands? Just my two cents.

It would be interesting to see if washing with cold water and not heat drying made any difference.

Any volunteers? :lol:

S Foote.

 

[Bryan]

I want remark the importance of sebaceous gland and sebum regarding common baldness. If the 95% of oily substances came from sebaceous gland and most of person with hair loss suffer from problems with sebum. Then, which is the role of sebaceous gland in male pattern baldness?

Little or none.

Bryan

 

[Bryan]

Studies on the Effect of Shampoos on Scalp Hair Lipids and Bacteria", Kligman. though now that i think back it may have been foote who questioned it an i dont wanna start another verbal war.

Stephen Foote questioned one particular finding of that study, but which part of it were YOU talking about as having been "brought into question"? It was quite a large study, and looked at numerous aspects of shampooing.

3 derms now have warned against overshampooing, and other people who i've spoken to have recieved the same advice. and it was also mentioned in a book about skin health by dr hugh molloy, who was interviewed here http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/hel ... /s2015.htm

Kligman and his colleagues never expressed such an opinion in their study, and it was QUITE comprehensive.

one question though, bryan is that klipgman study the only one you've seen about the effects of shampoo on sebum etc?

I'm still not entirely sure what you mean by that. Have I seen any other studies which made a reference to sebum while testing shampoos? Sure, I've seen that mentioned in at least a couple of other studies, too. One was the famous French study on Nizoral for male pattern baldness, another was one that looked at sebum production after using T-Gel, if I recall correctly. There might be others that I'm forgetting at the moment. Is that what you meant?

Bryan