nizoral use after hair transplant

[omarshari]

Hey, I'm just wondering how long I should wait until I use nizoral and T-Gel on my transplants? Its been 4 weeks post-op at the moment. Thanks.

 

[dirtrider67]

wow, 1 week ahead of me on the transplant. what type of procedure did you have and how many units?

 

[omarshari]

Strip with 100 at the front.. its frustrating how you're restricted from doing things during recovery... I want to use T-gel so bad cos I'm getting massive dandruff.. HELP!

 

[dirtrider67]

wow, only 100? that's minor. was it one of those lunchtime procedures? what procedure did your dr use for the inscissions for the reciptor hairs? my dr used pinpoint using a syringe type of instrument. a little over 3 weeks now and most of the hairs have fallen and my scalp is pretty smooth. i did 1471 follicular units.

 

[omarshari]

It was pretty much a top-up from the 200 I had last year... I wouldn't say it was a lunch time procedure cos it hurt like hell.. I had the syringe done on the recipient area and I hope I don't get too much cobblestoning as a result...

I'm taking MSM to hopefully have faster regrowth and I heard using minoxidil after 2 weeks post-op will boost regrowth also..

I don't know if I should use T-gel tho, cos I'm worried it might stain my scalp...

Best of luck for regrowth dirtrider!

 

[global]

I used baby shampoo for about 2 weeks after then switched back to using nizoral and NANO.

 

[CCS]

i concure with global's approach. I think nizoral may be more surfacting and not a good idea on the new grafts. maybe even the donor area. But if you just have them in a tiny spot, you could use nizoral on the rest of your head if you are careful not to get in on the bloody areas. Maybe not worth the risk. i don't know.


Anyone know if a syringe needle is better than a 1mm blade for the recipient area? Which is less likely to cause cysts?

 

[dirtrider67]

Anyone know if a syringe needle is better than a 1mm blade for the recipient area? Which is less likely to cause cysts?

good question college. i've been trying to figure this one out myself but noone seems to know the answer.

also, which procedure is used more?

 

[omarshari]

So people think its ok to use T-gel after 4 weeks post-op???

 

[CCS]

So people think its ok to use T-gel after 4 weeks post-op???

yes.

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as for the syringe versus blade, dr keene says the blade is best, though I did not use the word "needle when i asked her.

While a circular whole sounds much better, you must remember that there is nothing to snip the bottom, so i wonder how well it is severed down there and with how much trama, compared to a wider slit that a follicle is shoved down.

 

[LookingGood!]

My Doctor said it was ok after 1 weeks. It cleans the area well and that what you want because by the third week most of the grafts are gone and anything left will be recognized by the body as a foreign body and may cause irritation. Myself case in point. I didnt scrub well and got redness and irritation, the remaining dead grafts needed to be cleared and the Nizoral did the trick and reduced the redness. Everyone is different and will respond differently so I would discuss it with your Doctor FIRST before you take anyone of our advises.

 

[LookingGood!]

i concure with global's approach. I think nizoral may be more surfacting and not a good idea on the new grafts. maybe even the donor area. But if you just have them in a tiny spot, you could use nizoral on the rest of your head if you are careful not to get in on the bloody areas. Maybe not worth the risk. i don't know.





Anyone know if a syringe needle is better than a 1mm blade for the recipient area? Which is less likely to cause cysts?

It's too bad we dont have MDs on this site to chime in. That's the only thing HLH has over this site. This is a question for a hair transplant surgeon.

 

[omarshari]

Thank you!

 

[CCS]

MD's would be great, especially ones interested in hair loss who actually research this stuff and have memberships to pubmed and other journals, so Bryan does not have to do all the work.

But I think lookinggood thinks MDs would have the answers. I have to laugh when a newbie once asked, "why do you guys ask each other questions about hair loss. Why don't you just see a doctor. I'm sure a doctor knows how to cure it." The fact is many doctors disagree on many things, so they can't all be right. Look at Adkins vs FDA, as one of many examples. I had two graduate student electrical engineering students. They could not help each other on their research or their homework because they were both at a high enough level in their specialties that their knowledge did not overlap much. Einstein and many other of the best mathematicians knew only 1% of all the math that has been discovered. Even the windows operating system is so complicated that one programmer can only know a small amount of it. To think a doctor can know the answers to all your health problems is just naiive. You can easily out do them in any speciallized area you choose, as long as they do not choose the same exact area, and you are reasonably smart.

And i must repeat that my general practitioner, who said she had extra training in dermatology, and know a finasteride and minoxidil, had never even heard of Avodart.

 

[LookingGood!]

MD's would be great, especially ones interested in hair loss who actually research this stuff and have memberships to pubmed and other journals, so Bryan does not have to do all the work.

But I think lookinggood thinks MDs would have the answers. I have to laugh when a newbie once asked, "why do you guys ask each other questions about hair loss. Why don't you just see a doctor. I'm sure a doctor knows how to cure it." The fact is many doctors disagree on many things, so they can't all be right. Look at Adkins vs FDA, as one of many examples. I had two graduate student electrical engineering students. They could not help each other on their research or their homework because they were both at a high enough level in their specialties that their knowledge did not overlap much. Einstein and many other of the best mathematicians knew only 1% of all the math that has been discovered. Even the windows operating system is so complicated that one programmer can only know a small amount of it. To think a doctor can know the answers to all your health problems is just naiive. You can easily out do them in any speciallized area you choose, as long as they do not choose the same exact area, and you are reasonably smart.

And i must repeat that my general practitioner, who said she had extra training in dermatology, and know a finasteride and minoxidil, had never even heard of Avodart.

You continue to be irrational in your view of MDs. So then we should all defer to you? What credibility to you have? 2200 enthusiastic at best posts? I have come to a conclusion, you are young, immature and not wise in the ways of the world yet...emphasis on yet. You have no basis with your deduction of MDs with the examples given. JUST B/C ur Derm doesnt know about AVodart means all roads lead to you deduction of MDs. So you need to do one thing....research hair transplant MDs that know these the answers to your questions. You started with Sharon Keene. There many more you just dont know them. THEY ARE THE SPECIALISTS here but you fail to recognize them. I can name about a dozen. Do yourself a favor and check out the other forums where the MDs integrate with the posters. WE need that here. OH and all roads dont lead to BRYAN....your fellow Texas hero. Although popular here and helpful, he is not an expert. Well informed at best, more than most. You are being niave and that is a function of age most of the time.

 

[CCS]

Do yourself a favor and check out the other forums where the MDs integrate with the posters. WE need that here. OH and all roads dont lead to BRYAN....your fellow Texas hero. Although popular here and helpful, he is not an expert. Well informed at best, more than most.

If you are saying that even 1% of hair transplant docs are more of an expert on hairloss than Bryan, I disagree, though I'm sure they know a lot more about surgical hair restoration than he does. I doubt 2% of general practitioners or dermatologists know as much about hair loss as Bryan does. But I do agree that some doctors on here could shed light on various specific topics and that would help us.

 

[LookingGood!]

Do yourself a favor and check out the other forums where the MDs integrate with the posters. WE need that here. OH and all roads dont lead to BRYAN....your fellow Texas hero. Although popular here and helpful, he is not an expert. Well informed at best, more than most.

If you are saying that even 1% of hair transplant docs are more of an expert on hairloss than Bryan, I disagree, though I'm sure they know a lot more about surgical hair restoration than he does. I doubt 2% of general practitioners or dermatologists know as much about hair loss as Bryan does. But I do agree that some doctors on here could shed light on various specific topics and that would help us.

Very naive to say the least! You know nothing. Your judgement is totally in question, it's subpar for your age. Bryan is just a poster who borrows info like you and appeals to posters who know nothing so they are naive enough to buy into your crap. I am waiting for the day you say something objective. Remember, alot of the so called big posters here wont go to the other forums b/c they would be ridiculed.

 

[CCS]

Bryan is just a poster who borrows info like you and appeals to posters who know nothing so they are naive enough to buy into your crap. Remember, alot of the so called big posters here wont go to the other forums b/c they would be ridiculed.

I'm not trying to put words in Bryan's mouth about how good he is, but I must point out that he has a lot more posts on just about every other hair site than he does on this one, and he is featured in articles on this site. Very well acclaimed by whoever runs the sight, I suspect, if they feature his articles like that.

 

[CCS]

I am waiting for the day you say something objective.

How is this for something objective:

Spironolactone in a topical alcohol water vehicle has almost no effect on hair, but in a cream or possibly a non-cream propylene glycol vehicle, it can inhibit body hair growth and promote head hair growth where applied. Furthermore, it has NO SYSTEMIC effects when applied topically in the typical vehicles. If if some did somehow go systemic, the small amount would do almost nothing. In one study, it was applied to half the surface area of the human body, with no systemic effects.

Topical flutamide, while somewhat effective against hair loss, has a purely systemic effect, so it affects the whole body as much as much as the hair, and therefore is not a good treatment for hair loss.

Do you want me to explain the chemistry for why these facts are true? I'm sure your doctor did not know this. your doctor would not find that information by looking at a pharmacy booklet. Some of the much more detailed sites might mentioin some facts that might point to this info, but your doctor would miss them unless he/she was looking. The info is much more specific to hair loss than the spironolactone/blood pressure info. But if your doctor came on this site and read Bryan's posts, he/she would know much sooner.

I doubt you've read enough of the pharmacology pdf's on drugs to know what kind of info they would or would not have in them, like i have, so you might think I'm pulling your leg when I say the stuff the Doctor looks at would not have that even if he/she searched for it. The article would tell your Doctor what spironolactone and flutamide are metabolized into in the body, and might tell what the anti-androgenic strength of those are, but the article would be assuming the drug was taken orally at a high dose, where the biochemistry is much different than a low dose on the surface of the skin.

 

[Guest]

CCS,

I don't want to offend you but I really encourage you to stop a moment, step back and think of the impressions you are imposing on others with your accusations and implications.

Sure, there are doctors and really just about any profession i.e., attorneys, etc with incompetency and ignorance in some of its practitioners. But keep in mind medicine is a very broad and complex field with many areas of specialization within it due to the complexities. Avodart is a prostrate drug not a hairloss medication although those of us within the hairloss community recognize it has some hairloss retardation benefits. But I an relate to what you are saying. I started cutting Proscar in 1996 for hairloss even before Propecia was on the market. Most of the docs at that time thought I was nuts and I had one heck of a time trying to get one to prescribe Proscar to me. How did I find out about cutting Proscar? From an MD who was doing it himself for the same reasons. I can remeber having to explain to my primary care Doctor what Propecia was when it did finally hit the market. BUT, she was great in internal medicine!

It's really just a matter of you not knowing enough of the good competent docs within this field of cosmetic surgery. I'm just encouraging you to think twice before you make such generalizations about things that are more your suppositions than substance.

And we all have to be very careful that we are not "practicing medicine". I don't care how much research we do, we still are not licensed physicians. We all need to recognize that what we say in this community impacts those who read these forums, and this is not to be a place where we serve our own self interests and agendas.

How about all of us sending a PM to the owner of this site to start a "patient to doctors" section in this community? What do you guys think?