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Johnny24601

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Ok, I am 26 and am starting to thin and recede. It took a few months to accept this and once I did, I had the same reaction as everyone else, panic and depression. Now I am doing something about it. I have been on minoxidil for about a month and propecia for about two weeks.
I have really thick hair and just had a large shed in the shower. I attribute it to the minoxidil use and the fact that I hace really thick hair and the minoxidil/propecia mix got at my dead hairs. My hair actually has been looking much more full lately. Did anyone else have a shed this early?
When I got my propecia proscription the derm would not give me proscar because he said it is for treatmant of prostate problems and I do not have that so it would be illegal for him to prescribe proscar. I have been looking into a more cost effective propecia so I have two questions:
1.) How do I get a doctor to prescripe me proscar. I figure, even if I have to pay for the proscar without insurance covering it, it will be cheaper because each pill is a four day supply and surely will not cost as much as 4 propecia pills, if insurance does cover it then great. Should I just keep going from doctor to doctor until one cracks? How can I convince a Doctor to prescribe me proscar? What should my approach be? Will insurance cover proscar?
2.) What is the deal with this generic propecia in India? Is is legit? By legit I mean, is is the real thing not that I will actually recieve the pills? Has anyone bought from these sites and seen results or actually had the pill tested to see if they are really finasteride? The cost is wayyyy less.
To all the young guys who are dealing with male pattern baldness, just relax. I was so depressed and I could see I was hurting everyone around me and hurting my personal life and career. There are many more who are dealing with this then we realize and though it sucks, it is just reality for us and we cannot control it. It is not our fault and it is only society, hollywood and TV that is making us feel like there is something wrong with us. Screw them. I am going to do my best to make this male pattern baldness thing into a positive. It has already made me rethink my life because I have realized that I was becoming part of this society that judges people by their outside appearance and not the who they truly are and the quality of their soul. It also made me realize that I have some self esteem problems because I thought people would negatively judge me for going bald which is crazy and so dam vain.
It all comes down to the thought that woman will not want us. Well, hell this is a great thing because now I have to focus more on improving myself from the inside so that woman will realize how I am the sh*t. Plus now I can assure that I do not attract other vain woman who suck and want me for my looks only. Apparantly those hot chicks don't realize that their looks will fade and they will be left souless and unhappy. I am now focusing more on treating everyone with respect and dignity because I realize that looks are fleeting and can disappear overnight.
The male pattern baldness thing has made me refocus my career. I would say I am an attractive guy on the outside and for years I have depended on this. I always would look around and see ugly *** fat dudes with hot chicks and think that is bullshit, but it really isn't. Woman want a man who is strong, confident, can provide and make them feel better about themselves. They just want to be loved and get attention. It is men who care more about looks. So start running and lifting. Go back to school, volunteer, work harder, pick up a hobby (guitar, reading, art etc.) and be positive, loving and confident. Go out their and let woman know you exist. If they reject you then just move on. Don't be fooled because all those guys who are getting chicks get rejected way more then they succeed, they just have the self esteem to not let rejection effect them.
Many men are dealing with male pattern baldness at a young age, look around and you will see, but other men seem to have more self confidence then guys like us so they just accept it. All you can do is try the current medicine and move on. You cannot control this and you will regret not moving on with your life. There are millions of woman out there. I have actually had some success with the ladies and though I am only 26, I have been in the real world for about four years and as I mature I am realizing that I have allowed society to make me think that a female's looks is the most improtant part of a relationship. My success with woman has led to nothing lasting because I was looking for the wrong woman. I was looking for chicks who were hot and barely cared about anything else. Believe me, hot chicks mostly suck in bed, have empty personalities and are not interesting or fun to be around. They just look good and for some reason make us feal good because we ourselves are vain and lack self esteem and think others are impressed by our hot girlfriend.
Once I realized that I was starting to go bald, I started looking around and seeing my friends receeding and seeing other young guys receeding, yet I had never noticed that this was going on until I was also losing my hair. I never thought about my balding friends any differently even though they had actually been losing their hair for some time. This is because I know them and respect them for who they are and not what they look like. I knew them on the inside so their outside appearance was never noticed. This is what we have to show to the ladies. We need to let them see our souls and they will forget our hair (or lack there of). I think with time both men and especially woman realize that looks are not very inmportant.
Sorry for the rambling post, I had been reading this site everyday for weeks and had this all building up in me.
 

Trent

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great post man, and a great attitude. if i could conjure up half that perspective, i would be a happy man.
 

Johnny24601

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also...

I have been taking f 1 mg propecia in the morning and 0.5 mg at night. This is because I am early on in the hair loss game and want to get this in my system asap because I could save it all. Plus I believe that there is no way that one pill will last 24 hours in fighting DHT. I intend to do my current regime for 6 months and then hopefull drop to 0.5 mg in morning and 0.5 mg at night. I consider you guy the real experts not the doctors, so I would like to hear your thoughts. thaks.
Oh ya, my libido has surely decreased and my little friend is not as hard but I was always horny as all hell so this is fine by me. I can still wack it with the est of them.
On elast question, I am italian so I also have alot of body hair. Will propecia help me reduce my fur?
 

Hotlegs

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The half life of finasteride is fairly long, so dividing the dose up accross a 24 hour period will be of little benefit.

Your first post is simply too long!

Sorry, but I think you are more likely to get answers to your questions if they are not hidden a book.

Good Luck.
 

juststarting

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Re: also...

Johnny24601 said:
I have been taking f 1 mg propecia in the morning and 0.5 mg at night. This is because I am early on in the hair loss game and want to get this in my system asap because I could save it all. Plus I believe that there is no way that one pill will last 24 hours in fighting DHT. I intend to do my current regime for 6 months and then hopefull drop to 0.5 mg in morning and 0.5 mg at night. I consider you guy the real experts not the doctors, so I would like to hear your thoughts. thaks.
Oh ya, my libido has surely decreased and my little friend is not as hard but I was always horny as all hell so this is fine by me. I can still wack it with the est of them.
On elast question, I am italian so I also have alot of body hair. Will propecia help me reduce my fur?

Just curious, you do realize that there is little difference in efficacy in DHT blocking, and at same time substantial increases sides? :)
 

Hotlegs

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juststarting said:
Just curious, you do realize that there is little difference in efficacy in DHT blocking, and at same time substantial increases sides? :)

....very true...
 

Johnny24601

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ok

My derm said prscar is for prostate problems so he would not give it to me. Propecia is too expensize so:
1.) How do I get a doctor to prescripe me proscar. I figure, even if I have to pay for the proscar without insurance covering it, it will be cheaper because each pill is a four day supply and surely will not cost as much as 4 propecia pills, if insurance does cover it then great. Should I just keep going from doctor to doctor until one cracks? How can I convince a Doctor to prescribe me proscar? What should my approach be? Will insurance cover proscar?
2.) What is the deal with this generic propecia in India? Is is legit? By legit I mean, is is the real thing not that I will actually recieve the pills? Has anyone bought from these sites and seen results or actually had the pill tested to see if they are really finasteride? The cost is wayyyy less.

By the way, propecia's half life is almost useless to the discussion. Half life is mostly related to atmospheric effects and not the time it takes for the human body to digest and install into our blood. Again, I have no evidence, but I believe that a constant flow of finasteride will be better at lowering dht levels. Even if I am wrong, I still get 1 mg over the course of 24 hours. I think merk would have preffered it this way, they just knew that the one pill a day selling point was too valuable. I also think we are all kind of guinea pigs and that the true long term effect could be worse on our children, liver and prostrates. All my opinions but that is why this is a discussion so please discuss.
 

Johnny24601

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re:

I am firing away. I have heard this before that 0.5 mg is almost as good as 1.0 mg with less side effect but have not seen any clear studies only words. Can you provide a study relating dosage to dht levels before and after taking finasteride? Also does anyone actually have the initial merk study for finasteride? I mean we are taking this crap and should have hte right to see what was contained in the merk report submitted to the FDA....right? This should be public record...
 

juststarting

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1. This web site has in its propecia section information about the study showing efficacy being about same from 0.2mg to 1mg

2. Get a new doctor. I simply told my Doctor that propecia was like $400 more and would she let me simply split Proscar. Sure, no problem. The scrip says to take 1/4 a tab each day. Simple.

3. Half-life applies to drugs as well. Not sure what you mean by atmosphere effects, thats a new one. Its called pharmakokenetics. Half life is appropriate term for time for half the drug to be flushed out of your system.
 

Hotlegs

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Re: ok

Merck's biggest selling point will always be efficacy.

Convenience is a consideration, but not at the expense of efficacy.

The half life of finasteride refers to the time your body takes to metabolize the drug.

Plasma levels of DHT after a single dose of 1.5mg finasteride are:

Baseline (65ng/dL)

24 hours: 26 ng/dL
48 hours: 28 ng/dL
72 hours: 34 ng/dL
96 hours: 37 ng/dL
120hours: 41 ng/dL

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These figures are from a single dose of finasteride.

If you take a dose every day this slow rise in blood plasma DHT will be completely flat.

There is no advantage in speading a dose out through the day.



Proscar is available from http://www.qhi.co.uk and many other online places (qhi require no prescription just a simple disclaimer form to be faxed/posted to them)
 

juststarting

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Nice post Hotlegs. Very well put :)

Wow, another member who actually understands clinical science on this forum! I'm impressed. :)


Also to original poster, here is the link about dosage on this site:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/faq/#13
 
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