Need Help With Hairloss Decision

mikeanderson

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I'm almost 20 years old and have been experiencing hairloss at a slow rate since probably 16. As part of my regimen, I've been using nizoral 2%, ginkgo, ginseng, omega, multivitamins, and a mild dht blocker- saw palmetto (topical). Although I've been thinning all over my scalp, my crown has reached a point where it's starting to be visible. I need advice on whether I should add rogaine to my regimen now. The issue for me is that I've heard that its effects wear off after 2 years and I'm trying to figure out when is the ideal time to start so that the effects peak when I'm at my worst point. Can anyone vouch for its benefits after 2+ years?
 

mikeanderson

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Wow, hilarious that you commented on my thread cause I was literally just checking yours out. I'm interested in the nettle root but I heard that some people say it ends up increasing dht in the long run?
 

zzzzz

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minoxidil does absolutely nothing to stop the underlying cause of male pattern baldness, which advances despite the minoxidil. It is not a long term treatment if you expect to lose more hair.

You need finasteride or some other strong anti androgen or you WILL lose your hair

hairchaser is pushes natural supplements and gives bad advice for doing it notice his red square. Natural supplements are weaksauce
 

mikeanderson

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So would you agree with hairchaser in that the efficacy of rogaine does not diminish over time but rather your male pattern baldness is just catching up? Also, would you recommend waiting for a new treatment to come out or jumping on finasteride(im kind of scared of the sides)
 

anxious1

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I do believe you are speaking out of your *** again hairchaser. I suggest you get a clue yourself b4 giving any more advice.

I do quite like your regime though, i expect your urine would be quite a nice fluro yellow colour. Maybe add some chorella with lots of chlorophyll, and you can pee and poo in Brazils Colours, perfect for the world cup.
 

zzzzz

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Jump on finasteride. Use minoxidil if you want additional regrowth. finasteride should be first line of attack, not minoxidil. minoxidil creates regrowth in some, but it does nothing to stop the actual process of male pattern baldness, which continues at the same rate under the illusion of hair growth minoxidil causes.

Don't be scared of the sexual sides. Here is a table showing the risk of sides over placebo. This is from an FDA study. Even if you get the sides, they always resolve after discontinuing treatment. There is nothing to be scared of the sides are minor and temporary, meanwhile the benefits of finasteride are fantastic for most people who care about their hair.

Half of a percent chance of finasteride induced decreased libido. Half a percent chance of finasteride induced ED. All temporary

Anyone who recommends not taking finasteride because of sexual sides is delusional

Propecia.jpg
 

mikeanderson

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My concern is that I haven't reached an extreme level of male pattern baldness so I'm not sure if its worth risking sides with finasteride at this point. Maybe waiting till CB hits the shelves would be something smarter for me? I've heard that the percentages were fudged and that sides are closer to 5-10%.

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Also, if i were to jump on finasteride how much would you recommend for me? I'm still in the early stages of male pattern baldness
 

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zzzzz

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LOL @ being delusional and believing those statistics.

you think the FDA is lieing? What incentive does the FDA have to lie? The FDA is one of the most efficient and reputable beauracratic organizations on the planet....

that pic was taken directly from FDA study

@ mike it is better to start finasteride earlier rather than later, and 1mg or 1.25mg daily is good
 

JZA70

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you think the FDA is lieing? What incentive does the FDA have to lie?

Do you really trust big pharmaceutical company's ?

Look at GSK (the manufacturer of Avodart) They were recently in the news - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/04/glaxosmithkline-settle-lawsuit

"The company was accused of illegally marketing its big-selling asthma drug Advair for use by mild asthma sufferers and the antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin for use by children and teenagers without approval from the US regulator the Food and Drug Administration."
 

zzzzz

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That isn't a pharmaceutical company study it is the FDA, so your point on the reputation of the actual companies is irrelevant
 

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zzzzz

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that site is garbage, "Natural News" with that name you know is going to be dumb. They have articles about not giving vaccines to infants/children as well as other garbage articles going against any non-natural medicine.

The article says FDA and pharmaceutical companies meet often, which is necessary, and that FDA employees often work in pharmaceutical companies as well at different points in their career. No ****, both jobs are similar and require the same knowledge/expertise. The federal government pays **** regardless of what organization you work for, most people move on to work in pharmaceutical jobs/private sector jobs when they realize the huge pay gap. There is no shortage of jobs in pharmaceutical companies, hence why they pay over 150k a year for research positions and such, so it isn't like the companies are threatening not to give them jobs unless they force them to publish biased studies, these companies are trying to take up anyone who is willing to work because it costs so much to play these skilled employees. There is actually a surplus of jobs in the industry which drives up the cost of labour

The profits from propecia/finasteride is peanuts compared to other drugs out there, if they hypothetically wanted to rig a study they would have done it with more profitable drugs with more severe side effects to cover up. Especially since the patent ran out, there is even less money to be made....
 

mikeanderson

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what if i just started off with a quarter pill?

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What do you think the actual statistics are like JZ?
 

zzzzz

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it doesn't matter what JZ thinks the statistics are I would like to see a study

starting at a quarter pill won't help with sides, AR inhibition is the pretty much the same regardless of dosage
 
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