Need Help: getitng side effects of Minoxidil

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Hi friends I have shared my story in this thread but unfortunately things have not gone on a correct path


http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interac...ly-taking-a-leap-of-faith-and-starting-regime



Now right now I am in a fix what to do ...

patches are increasing and its started on right eye too ( I have attached the pic in the thread)

It looks awful+ puffy eyes are still there

Possible options with me




(1) I should only stick to finasteride (Though I am finding a bit of side effect of finasteride too not sure if its psychological or real but when I help myself its quick these days)
(2). Stick to finasteride+ minoxidil 5 % 1 once a day

(3). finasteride+ minoxidil 2 % twice a day

(4). finasteride+ minoxidil 2% once a day


Should get rid of minoxidil at once or i should go from twice a ay to once and then to 2 % solution

What is the positive and negative of only remaining on finasteride? will it save the hair or not?

Please need a help on this

And moreover my Doctor said that your hair is good for atleast 3 year before you should go for hair transplant.
 

JHCL1990

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I used minoxidil for two days and got horrible facial side effects. It's almost literally poison. Let's put it this way... I HATE male pattern baldness, but I'd rather have a completely shaved head than the side effects minoxidil gave me. I dropped it and am only on finasteride now.
 

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I used minoxidil for two days and got horrible facial side effects. It's almost literally poison. Let's put it this way... I HATE male pattern baldness, but I'd rather have a completely shaved head than the side effects minoxidil gave me. I dropped it and am only on finasteride now.


I disagree, for millions of people minoxidil works perfectly fine. People always come on here and if they have a side effect from any drug they call it "POISON". This is unacceptable as it makes people stay away from these drugs and fearful to try them. Many people call finasteride poison yet you find it to be perfectly fine for you...

I had no side-effects on minoxidil other than it made my scalp a little itchy and some slight darkening around my eyes, but barely noticeable.
 

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Back in the day, Doctors used to prescribe oral minoxidil for blood pressure (loniten). They discovered that loniten caused the body to retain water causing bloating and swelling. Diuretics were prescribed to go along side the drug and it helped side effects. I myself had sides with minoxidil. I reduced my dose to once daily. I increased my daily intake of water (acts as a diuretic) and also started an exercise program. Before long I had no more issues. Just my $0.02.
 

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Hi friends I have shared my story in this thread but unfortunately things have not gone on a correct path


http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interac...ly-taking-a-leap-of-faith-and-starting-regime



Now right now I am in a fix what to do ...

patches are increasing and its started on right eye too ( I have attached the pic in the thread)

It looks awful+ puffy eyes are still there

Possible options with me




(1) I should only stick to finasteride (Though I am finding a bit of side effect of finasteride too not sure if its psychological or real but when I help myself its quick these days)
(2). Stick to finasteride+ minoxidil 5 % 1 once a day

(3). finasteride+ minoxidil 2 % twice a day

(4). finasteride+ minoxidil 2% once a day


Should get rid of minoxidil at once or i should go from twice a ay to once and then to 2 % solution

What is the positive and negative of only remaining on finasteride? will it save the hair or not?

Please need a help on this

And moreover my Doctor said that your hair is good for atleast 3 year before you should go for hair transplant.

I replied on your story link.
 

maxflow

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First of all thanks to all for replying.

I am here not tospread lies.

I have my pics attached with my story.

I also started with so much enthusiasm.

But my relative strted saying that what has happened to you.. you look 5 years older all of a sudden. the patch around eyes is so discernible and now i get puffy eyes on a daily basis . so there has to be some change in ly lifestyleand there is only two finasteride and minxodil

But still it does not solve my problem?

what should I do ?

regarding PPG.. I used the most costliest product available in India .. that is tugain 5 foam and it does not tell how much PPG it uses.. so i cant reduce my dose of PPG :(


Presently I have stopped min

I am only takin finasteride 1 mg daily


so need help

(1) Should i use Min 5% once a day ?

(2). Min 2% once a day

(3). Min 2 % twice a day

(4) only take finasteride


Please need more clarity
 

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minoxidil brands worth looking at that don't have any PPG: Duelgen & maxus5, perfect hair doesn't disclose if it uses PPG or not.

If you're lowering minoxidil % for some heart/health reasons (Minoxidil isn't responsible for most sides as it naturally lines our artery/vein walls. PPG is the culprit.)
Lipogaine 3% minoxidil for women with sensitive scalp (has a few DHT blockers/stimulants/Zero PPG in the solution, good reviews on the non-irriation side of things.)

minoxidil brands worth looking that have low levels of PPG: DNC-L (I've just started on this and so far so good.) & if perfect hair does have PPG it's very low.
(it contains copper peptides + procyanidin B2 among the extensive list of other impressive ingredients-I used to use Apply poly topical spray and it actually helped my hair a lot but it costs a lot and doesn't contain minoxidil just P-B2, to use both this and minoxidil was just too expensive. So I know that P-B2 actually has a positive effect on hair regrowth.)

Here's what they look like: (I haven't used any of them except DNC-L, so my reasons for choosing these particular brands is based on good reviews and ingredients lists of solutions.)

I'm always surprised that most guys just jump on finasteride and don't even try adding any other natural DHT blockers to fortify their routine...

Nettle root actually binds to the receptor sites as well as blocking DHT as well as increasing micro-circulation. That way most of the DHT that you don't block at least can't bind to the follicle that effectively.

Resveratrol is apparently 6X more powerful than finasteride but only lasts 30 mins in the blood stream before the body effectively breaks it down. It is a very potent anti-inflammatory and antioxidant.
Black tea also is proven to block DHT a little more effectively than finasteride (again it doesn't last very long in the body)
(unfortunately it causes the body to absorb nutrients less effectively as it stains the stomach lining. I heard that from the chick behind the counter in a health food store. The English have a problem with vitamin deficiency and they drink black tea a lot...makes sense)

finasteride has a half life somewhere between 4-8 hours so it can remain effective in the body for 12 hours or longer. That would explain why it can cause some serious sides-it has a long time to mess up the balance.

There are a lot of other stimulants and herbs that can stimulate hair growth in general:

Ginko biloba: increases blood circulation
Ginseng: great for hair and health, it's a mild stimulant
He shou wu (fo-ti): one of the most powerful hair growth herbs in chinese medicine, great for general health also.

Even rinsing your scalp with some apple cider right after you wash your hair really helps (I do this almost every day). There is no smell after btw.

I hope you already realise that you need to throw everything you can at hair loss, just look at other member's that use more than you've listed in their own regimens and even they're still struggling unless there's someone that reached NW1 that I haven't heard of... (excluding those that have extremely mild hair loss)

Never just take one treatment: use as many as you can while "maintaining a healthy compromise between results and sides" (quoting another member on this forum somewhere)

If you want scientific journals backing the ingredients that I've listed... I don't have any, I just do a lot of research on the internet trying to find the most natural and most effective way to beat my hair loss, that being said I'm still trying... but facts are facts and it's better than nothing.

I've even heard that emu oil can activate dormant hair follicles/very powerful anti-inflammatory (PGD2 inhibitor) & increases collagen production in the skin.
Grape seed oil is resveratrol in the form of an oil
pumpkin seed oil is an Alpha 5 reductase enzyme inhibitor + it's high in zinc (another great DHT blocker)

I mix these oils together and apply them when it's convenient (unfortunately that's not as often as I'd like). I can really feel a difference in the condition of my scalp and I got mild regrowth for a while but then it wore off. Unfortunately so far the big3 is the only thing that can hold off hair loss for the longest time apparently. It doesn't hurt to add other things though. (I don't use finasteride btw, saw palmetto is as far as I go with A5 blockers)

If you're after the 'long story short' answer my suggestions is...

Use: finasteride (you know your dose) + (0/low PPG) 5% minoxidil 2x daily+ 1-3% nizoral 1-2x week (it can dry out the skin a lot-use a moisturiser or something after) + any of the suggestions above: Nettle root (daily around 500-800 mg) would be my first choice

Long post I know, but male pattern baldness isn't easy to conquer it seems... so I figure the more the better. Good luck :)


THanks a lot

my one doubt is

I use this
http://www.theswisspharmacy.com/product_info.php?info=p9791_Minoxidil-Foam.html

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/102974500/Minoxidil-topical-foam-TUGAIN-FOAM-COMPOSITION


Its the most expensive in India.

And what i have read it doesnot contain ppg

it reads .. absolute alchohol 50 %

what to make of it ?

money is not an issue for me as In india these produxts are not that constly and I can afford it.

But most of them u mentioned may not available in India
 
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These are my updates.


For the last 6 months, I have stopped applying mi and was only having finasteride 1 mg daily in the morning.

though har have been more or less same ( some loss but no substantial loss andmay be some growth) .

But the biggest issue is these black dark cirlcles, ( this is the pic at 2 PM). In the morning its much worse.

I look aged with these dark circles. Thou I have bene a student and study at night too but never ever in my life I had these dark circles in my life .


I stopped minixidil as I thought these are the side effects of the min

I started to grow some facial hair toowith minoxidil near my eye region, but with I not applying it any more it has gone with time

But these dark circles are still there.

Please help. I dont want these dark circles. They really look bas as its clear in the pic.

Is it a side effect of finasteride? Will it go with time if I stop eating finasteride?


should i go back to Min only and apply i for some time and stop finasteride ?
 
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