MY MICONAZOLE NITRATE UPDATE ....

[thinninghairsucks]

Update for me .. stopped with the mico about 2 months ago. experienced a bit of a shed and hair looks exactly the same now though (thank f*** ).. i think it made my hair darker which gave the illusion of more hair but my hairs looking alright at the mo and i havnt been using anything

anyway back to the point ... another pointless regimine !

side effects : sore head, depression, lack of energy, eye strain
gains: slightly thicker darker looking existing hairs
regrowth: couple little black hairs that didnt really come to anything

best effect from a topical product so far was definately mega-tek . im gonna get some more when i got money and use it once a week casue it definatley slows shedding and makes ur hair super thick. shame like everything else it does nothing for regrowth

okay all is not lost guys. i truly belive that a cure will most likely be accidently found by some crazy f****r on a forum driven by research from trained scientists

Interesting thread :

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board ... ory-1.html

for anyone interested in alternative methods etc being carried out as we speak check the above link. if you waiting around for histogen etc i wouldnt hold your breath.

up and commers ( i am not trying to say the cure is here, im just saying that theres alot of interesting things happening right now )

stimulant , LATANOPROST - basically going to be similar to minoxidil, however the same company is working on afew other treatments

Astressin-B - more info coming soon. this came out with a bang and has been kept rather quiet....a stress hormone regulator , a company has recently bought some and will be trialing it on animals with male pattern baldness who havnt had there stress levels artificially increased to see if it works. If it does we may never here about it because its not a money making treatment. this could possibly end male pattern baldness

Vitamin D3 , dont forget the 3, vitamin d3 isnt vitamin D. - a vitamin lol, theres alot more to it , its actualy considered a hormone

benoxaprofen and sulfasalazine arthritis drugs - check the link posted earlier very interesting things being talked about in there

despite what you think ( or have been brainwashed to think ). anti-androgens is not the cure. we know this, time for people to take it on the chin. hence why finasteride doesnt work or any of the other androgen blockers on the market. If it was the main factor then a cure would of been out YEARS ago. think about it, its f*****g easy to kill off androgens.

the reason finasteride works for some people to a certain degree is because it plays a part in the thinning of the hair but its not the cause

The studys and claims for arthritis drugs backs up the astressin-b studys in the way that they both point towards inflamination and cortisol and stress hormones being the main culprits. But if you wanna sit here rubbing vagina cream on ur head and popping finasteride tabs then be my guest . i gave it over 6 months . it doesnt do much at all and could posses serious side effects (mico) never tried finasteride never would

the fact that there is even 1 reported case of errectile dysfunction should be enough to put anyone off it

astressin-b.. youve all seen the crazy good pictures of before and after on mice. Okay yes the mice had there stress levels artificially altered, but its still crazy results none the less. cant wait for the results on humans (people are already trying to get the peptide made up , AGAIN THIS MIGHT DO f*** ALL

FINASTERIDE - no pictures on mice. infact theres very few good ones on humans. finasteride before and after pictures have been proven to be fake in some cases

dont start battling me with studies about dht casue i know for a fact it is not the culprit. Heaps of people with exactly the same or extremely high DHT levels STILL HAVE FULL HEADS OF HAIR..... androgen sensitivity on scalp excuse is grade a bullshit. No studies proving it at all

Stress , cortisol , and healthy living is the cure

appologies to anyone who is hyper critical when it comes to spelling. im not a writter, i dont have time to fanny about correcting my spelling mistakes to make me look smarter. seriously check out the link and do a little bit of research into the other casues of baldness and open your eyes a little bit.

If someone told you to jump of a bridge would you ????

If someone told you to take finasteride.... would you ???

I know your desperate, so am i ! but at the end of the day NOTHING to do with androgens is working. hence why companies have moved onto stem cell.

THEY KNOW

peace i tried to keep this formal but fun to read at same time looking fordward to hearing some replies about the previously mentioned drugs

 

[thinninghairsucks]

http://www.aolhealth.com/2011/03/18/men ... nk2|206549

92% OF MEN USING PROPECIA REPORTED LOWER SEXUAL AROUSAL

 

[Pyro]

hey mate, was thinkin' of trying me some mico but might not now.

How long were you on it before coming to ths conclusion that it sucked?

 

[hairhoper]

Finasteride is still the most effective treatment available and the only option for most of us. It stops hairloss in 90% of guys. Period.

Of course it's not a cure, nobody ever said the mere presence of androgens was the root cause of hairloss. That's why it's called Androgenetic Alopecia.

 

[thinninghairsucks]

yeh it may stop hairloss but its not going to give any regrowth, it will give you a sh*t load of side effects though

as for mico, i gave it a solid 5 months mate. nothing... seriously waste of time. it makes you shed , since stopping and just using shampoo once a day my hair is looking good and way less shedding

back to finasteride

blocking DHT in males is dangerous on so many levels...

FDA are a f*****g joke

i dont get big pharma and money making schemes. Why does the government support this sh*t ?

 

[beaner]

http://www.aolhealth.com/2011/03/18/men-report-sexual-impairment-after-using-common-hair-loss-drug/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl6|sec3_lnk2|206549

92% OF MEN USING PROPECIA REPORTED LOWER SEXUAL AROUSAL

That is NOT what that article states. Read it again.

That article is saying that 92% of 71 men that have reported side effects from Propecia experience lower sexual arousal. So about 65 men that have reported this side effect. This is an example of fear mongering at it's finest.

No sense in spreading misinformation.

 

[thinninghairsucks]

"Finasteride doesn't just suppress DHT. Finasteride hinders the Isoenzyme 5 Alpha Reductase 2 (5AR2). 5AR2 is the enzyme responsible for the conversion of Testosterone into Dihydrotestosterone, by hindering 5AR2 Finasteride decreases DHT conversion, the decrease in DHT conversion sometimes leaves an excess of available free ranging Testosterone, this extra Testosterone is often converted into Estrogen when DHT is hindered, this is the reason why some men experience side effects from Finasteride which are associated with to much Estrogen such as Gynecomastia, and erectile dysfunction.

What is even more troubling than Finasteride's suppression of DHT is its suppression of 5AR2. 5AR2 is used for more functions than merely T to DHT conversion. 5AR2 is the enzyme which converts Progesterone and deoxycorticosterone into dihydroprogesterone and dihydro-deoxycorticosterone. Finasteride also hinders various neuro steroids such as Allopregnanolone which plays a role in the human brain, Allopregnolone is a part of the body's natural defense against cognitive deficits. There is still a lot we have to learn about Finasterides effects on the human body and brain, Finasteride is a relatively young drug. See attached photos and literature

5AR2 is also found in the human spinal cord."

What this drug does to rats:

Endocrinology. 1995 Apr;136(4):1495-501.

Dihydrotestosterone is the active androgen in the maintenance of nitric oxide-mediated penile erection in the rat. Lugg JA, Rajfer J, González-Cadavid NF.

Department of Surgery, University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) School of Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, Torrance 90509.

Abstract ''Androgens are essential for the expression of normal libido in the male, but their role in the maintenance of the erectile response in humans is controversial. It has been shown previously in the rat that castration induces 1) loss of penile reflexes; and 2) considerable reduction in the erectile response to electric field stimulation (EFS) of the cavernosal nerve. Both of these effects can be reversed by testosterone replacement. The current study was performed to determine whether these testosterone effects are mediated via its conversion to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), and to what extent the synthesis of the mediator of penile erection, nitric oxide, is affected by castration and androgen replacement. Five-month-old rats were either castrated or left intact. The orchiectomized rats were implanted with SILASTIC brand silicon tubing (Dow Corning) containing testosterone or DHT with or without daily injections of the 5 alpha-reductase inhibitor finasteride. After 7 days, rats were submitted to EFS and the intracavernosal pressure was recorded. Castration reduced the EFS-induced erectile response by 50% in comparison with intact rats and testosterone restored this decrease to normal. When finasteride was given to these testosterone-treated castrate rats, erectile response was not restored. DHT was as effective as testosterone in restoring response to EFS in castrates and this effect was not decreased by finasteride. Nitric oxide synthase activity in the penile cytosol was measured by the arginine-citrulline conversion and was found to correlate with the EFS determinations. These results show that DHT is the active androgen in the prevention of erectile failure seen in castrated rats, and suggest that this effect may be mediated, at least partially, by changes in nitric oxide synthase levels in the penis.''

Source- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7534702

 

[thinninghairsucks]

http://www.propeciahelp.com/latest-news ... f-patients

 

[thinninghairsucks]

http://www.aolhealth.com/2011/03/18/men-report-sexual-impairment-after-using-common-hair-loss-drug/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl6|sec3_lnk2|206549

92% OF"""" 71 """"MEN USING PROPECIA REPORTED LOWER SEXUAL AROUSAL

That is NOT what that article states. Read it again.

That article is saying that 92% of 71 men that have reported side effects from Propecia experience lower sexual arousal. So about 65 men that have reported this side effect. This is an example of fear mongering at it's finest.

No sense in spreading misinformation.

hows that misinformation

65/71 * 100 = 92%

that is still an alarming amount by any f*****g standard, a percentage is a percentage. they cant ask every finasteride user in the world but they should

 

[beaner]

http://www.aolhealth.com/2011/03/18/men-report-sexual-impairment-after-using-common-hair-loss-drug/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl6|sec3_lnk2|206549

92% OF"""" 71 """"MEN USING PROPECIA REPORTED LOWER SEXUAL AROUSAL

That is NOT what that article states. Read it again.

That article is saying that 92% of 71 men that have reported side effects from Propecia experience lower sexual arousal. So about 65 men that have reported this side effect. This is an example of fear mongering at it's finest.

No sense in spreading misinformation.

hows that misinformation

65/71 * 100 = 92%

that is still an alarming amount by any f****ing standard, a percentage is a percentage. they cant ask every finasteride user in the world but they should

Apparently you are not comprehending the story. This is not a a random sample of 71 men taking propecia but a sample of 71 men who reported side effects from propecia. 92% reported that lower sexual arousal was one of their side effects. 92% in this context means absolutely nothing and certainly does not imply that 92% of those on the drug have sexual side effects. It merely implies that 92% of those that do get side effects (which is roughly 2% of users) may experience lower sexual arousal as one of them.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Or to put it another way 100% of the sample group had suffer side effects, and that is why they were the sample group.

 

[fml]

Why does this thread even exist? At very least it should be moved to the sides forum with the other anti finasteride threads rather than staying in the general. Its nothing to do with mico, just a wacko thread in disguise.