My 10 commandments regarding lifting weights and hairloss

[metalheaddude]

Im hardcore into lifting weights, ive taken, creatine, glutamine, fat burners, whey protein and and whole bunch of other supplements. Ive been on very strict calorie controlled diets. Ive done alot of cutting and bulking both gaining and losing large amounts of weight in a short time frame. Ive done massive amounts cardio both low intensity and high intensity (HIIT) training techniques. Ive trained for 6 days a week 3-4 months at a time, doing extreme lifting, squats, dead lifts, heavy bench presses.. EVERYTHING! and lots of periods in between of poor diet and no exercise. Ive done it all! And in this regard and I can only speak of my personal experience of losing hair and lifting weights, coz i have struggled with it for a long time on decideing whether its been positive or a negative experience for me. And at certain times in the past I felt it has made me lose hair and other times ive thought its actually helped in maintaining my hair through healthy living. I dont want to drag this on forever but this is my opinion after 5-6 years of bodybuilding.

1. Creatine definately increses hairloss

2. Glutamine is safe in small doses ie: mixed within the whey protein, but in large doeses it increases hairloss in my opinion.

3. Whey protein on its own is perfectly safe and does not effect hairloss. I have 3 serves a day.

4. I think squats increase hairloss. This is what i noticed when i was doing intense squats (so much that i could barely walk after, it works the whole body) and releases to much growth hormone which causes hairloss.

5. Besides squats every other weight lifting excercise is fine, and doesnt cause hairloss. Why would anyone wanna work on their legs anyway? I work on my upper body almost exclusively. I do some calve work too.

6. Lifting weights in general is healthy for your hair and definetly does not increase hairloss.

7. Long cadio sessions like marthon running and anything over 7 miles a day causes your hair to thin in diffuse manner. To much stress hormone is realeased. Stick to under an hour cardio sessions. Other than that its good for ur hair and skin.

8. Multi vitamins with zinc everyday cause more hairloss. You dont need them everyday. Only take a half everyday or 1 every second day is quite enough.

9. Eating a diet to low in fat increases hairloss, you need to have at least 40grams of fat a day for ur hair to remain healthy.

10. Extremelly low calorie diets like crash diets like under 1200 calories a day also causes hairloss.


Ok thats all i can think of now. This is my own personal experience after years of lifting and dieting. So dont can me if you disagree with me. thanks

 

[blueshard]

But you also know that there is a significant possibility that all of the increases in hair loss that you experienced would have occurred even if you were not lifting weights.

Having said that, I do believe that the increased testosterone could lead to increased hair loss.

 

[Packers]

The squat is the exercise that releases the most testosterone in the body. It's also probably the best exercise you can do...

 

[RagingBaldy]

I've actually started lifting weights when I was about 18, and I've done it up till 20 (stopped the hardcore stuff last year). I also did the whole creatine (CEE), cytogainer, protein, and multivitamin thing.

Incidentally, this is when my hairline started to die out. I really didn't notice it until last year when my GF at the time pointed out that my hairline was going up. After taking a good look I was just shocked that she was right. I was suspicious about my hairline thinning out. But I just blamed it on my haircuts, and it didn't even cross my mind that I could be balding.

Right now my hairline's still fading away and I my workout's been sporadic due to college. Whether lifting really does have an impact, I don't really know for sure. But I suspect that it does (can't really be a coincidence). Sucks, cause my father didn't start losing his hairline until around his mid 30's. By the time I'm 30 I'll be a high Norwood.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

Im hardcore into lifting weights, ive taken, creatine, glutamine, fat burners, whey protein and and whole bunch of other supplements. Ive been on very strict calorie controlled diets. Ive done alot of cutting and bulking both gaining and losing large amounts of weight in a short time frame. Ive done massive amounts cardio both low intensity and high intensity (HIIT) training techniques. Ive trained for 6 days a week 3-4 months at a time, doing extreme lifting, squats, dead lifts, heavy bench presses.. EVERYTHING! and lots of periods in between of poor diet and no exercise. Ive done it all! And in this regard and I can only speak of my personal experience of losing hair and lifting weights, coz i have struggled with it for a long time on decideing whether its been positive or a negative experience for me. And at certain times in the past I felt it has made me lose hair and other times ive thought its actually helped in maintaining my hair through healthy living. I dont want to drag this on forever but this is my opinion after 5-6 years of bodybuilding.

1. Creatine definately increses hairloss

2. Glutamine is safe in small doses ie: mixed within the whey protein, but in large doeses it increases hairloss in my opinion.

3. Whey protein on its own is perfectly safe and does not effect hairloss. I have 3 serves a day.

4. I think squats increase hairloss. This is what i noticed when i was doing intense squats (so much that i could barely walk after, it works the whole body) and releases to much growth hormone which causes hairloss.

5. Besides squats every other weight lifting excercise is fine, and doesnt cause hairloss. Why would anyone wanna work on their legs anyway? I work on my upper body almost exclusively. I do some calve work too.

6. Lifting weights in general is healthy for your hair and definetly does not increase hairloss.

7. Long cadio sessions like marthon running and anything over 7 miles a day causes your hair to thin in diffuse manner. To much stress hormone is realeased. Stick to under an hour cardio sessions. Other than that its good for ur hair and skin.

8. Multi vitamins with zinc everyday cause more hairloss. You dont need them everyday. Only take a half everyday or 1 every second day is quite enough.

9. Eating a diet to low in fat increases hairloss, you need to have at least 40grams of fat a day for ur hair to remain healthy.

10. Extremelly low calorie diets like crash diets like under 1200 calories a day also causes hairloss.


Ok thats all i can think of now. This is my own personal experience after years of lifting and dieting. So dont can me if you disagree with me. thanks

I HOPE no one follows your 10 commandments but yourelf.

 

[Jaydigs1122]

Im hardcore into lifting weights, ive taken, creatine, glutamine, fat burners, whey protein and and whole bunch of other supplements. Ive been on very strict calorie controlled diets. Ive done alot of cutting and bulking both gaining and losing large amounts of weight in a short time frame. Ive done massive amounts cardio both low intensity and high intensity (HIIT) training techniques. Ive trained for 6 days a week 3-4 months at a time, doing extreme lifting, squats, dead lifts, heavy bench presses.. EVERYTHING! and lots of periods in between of poor diet and no exercise. Ive done it all! And in this regard and I can only speak of my personal experience of losing hair and lifting weights, coz i have struggled with it for a long time on decideing whether its been positive or a negative experience for me. And at certain times in the past I felt it has made me lose hair and other times ive thought its actually helped in maintaining my hair through healthy living. I dont want to drag this on forever but this is my opinion after 5-6 years of bodybuilding.

1. Creatine definately increses hairloss

2. Glutamine is safe in small doses ie: mixed within the whey protein, but in large doeses it increases hairloss in my opinion.

3. Whey protein on its own is perfectly safe and does not effect hairloss. I have 3 serves a day.

4. I think squats increase hairloss. This is what i noticed when i was doing intense squats (so much that i could barely walk after, it works the whole body) and releases to much growth hormone which causes hairloss.

5. Besides squats every other weight lifting excercise is fine, and doesnt cause hairloss. Why would anyone wanna work on their legs anyway? I work on my upper body almost exclusively. I do some calve work too.

6. Lifting weights in general is healthy for your hair and definetly does not increase hairloss.

7. Long cadio sessions like marthon running and anything over 7 miles a day causes your hair to thin in diffuse manner. To much stress hormone is realeased. Stick to under an hour cardio sessions. Other than that its good for ur hair and skin.

8. Multi vitamins with zinc everyday cause more hairloss. You dont need them everyday. Only take a half everyday or 1 every second day is quite enough.

9. Eating a diet to low in fat increases hairloss, you need to have at least 40grams of fat a day for ur hair to remain healthy.

10. Extremelly low calorie diets like crash diets like under 1200 calories a day also causes hairloss.


Ok thats all i can think of now. This is my own personal experience after years of lifting and dieting. So dont can me if you disagree with me. thanks

This has to be the worst advice I have ever seen. period

 

[retropunk]

1. Creatine definately increses hairloss

I guess I should stop eating meat! :roll:

 

[Jaydigs1122]

I would like to see ONE study to back those statements up ( with the exception of numbers 9 & 10 ).

My workout history doubles your's. I have to say to the members on this board not to listen to the first 8 of these terrible suggestions. There has never been one study to prove any of those nor is it a question in my mind that those are 100% completely wrong. This was writen by an inexperienced, uneducated person.

OP. How do you know any of these statements had anything to do with your male pattern baldness? How did you come to these conclusions? How do you know that when you wre taking creatine you were not in a shed phase?


A multi-v w/ zinc is basically bad for you? ARE YOU OK?

Zinc has been known to strengthen exsisting hair. A multi- V " should " be taken everyday!

Squat's make you lose your hair more? Any other excersise is ok? Please.... I need to know where you have come up with this.


Again. To any member reading the OP's post. I a 100% positive those are false statements writen by someone that has not a real clue on male pattern baldness. It was merly a guess and bad ones at that. OP you need to do more research before you post responses like the one you ave posted. Uneducated posts such as those aggrivate me to no end.

If it is not a fact.... don't post it like it is! Period

 

[metalheaddude]

I would like to see ONE study to back those statements up ( with the exception of numbers 9 & 10 ).

My workout history doubles your's. I have to say to the members on this board not to listen to the first 8 of these terrible suggestions. There has never been one study to prove any of those nor is it a question in my mind that those are 100% completely wrong. This was writen by an inexperienced, uneducated person.

OP. How do you know any of these statements had anything to do with your male pattern baldness? How did you come to these conclusions? How do you know that when you wre taking creatine you were not in a shed phase?


A multi-v w/ zinc is basically bad for you? ARE YOU OK?

Zinc has been known to strengthen exsisting hair. A multi- V " should " be taken everyday!

Squat's make you lose your hair more? Any other excersise is ok? Please.... I need to know where you have come up with this.


Again. To any member reading the OP's post. I a 100% positive those are false statements writen by someone that has not a real clue on male pattern baldness. It was merly a guess and bad ones at that. OP you need to do more research before you post responses like the one you ave posted. Uneducated posts such as those aggrivate me to no end.

If it is not a fact.... don't post it like it is! Period

If you note the title of my post it quite clearly says "My 10 commandments regarding lifting weights and hairloss" ie: Its my own personal record of some things i have noticed over the years. You are entitled to you opionion and you have made some valid points. Now to answer your questions.

The squat is well known to be is by far one of the most physical, growth hormone stimulating excercise in existance. More growth hormone = increased testosterone = more DHT = potentially more hairloss. Other excercies are just not as physically stressful on the body.

If you look the web regarding Zinc, high levels of it can increase testosterone thus producing more DHT and baldness.

 

[Jaydigs1122]

I would like to see ONE study to back those statements up ( with the exception of numbers 9 & 10 ).

My workout history doubles your's. I have to say to the members on this board not to listen to the first 8 of these terrible suggestions. There has never been one study to prove any of those nor is it a question in my mind that those are 100% completely wrong. This was writen by an inexperienced, uneducated person.

OP. How do you know any of these statements had anything to do with your male pattern baldness? How did you come to these conclusions? How do you know that when you wre taking creatine you were not in a shed phase?


A multi-v w/ zinc is basically bad for you? ARE YOU OK?

Zinc has been known to strengthen exsisting hair. A multi- V " should " be taken everyday!

Squat's make you lose your hair more? Any other excersise is ok? Please.... I need to know where you have come up with this.


Again. To any member reading the OP's post. I a 100% positive those are false statements writen by someone that has not a real clue on male pattern baldness. It was merly a guess and bad ones at that. OP you need to do more research before you post responses like the one you ave posted. Uneducated posts such as those aggrivate me to no end.

If it is not a fact.... don't post it like it is! Period

If you note the title of my post it quite clearly says "My 10 commandments regarding lifting weights and hairloss" ie: Its my own personal record of some things i have noticed over the years. You are entitled to you opionion and you have made some valid points. Now to answer your questions.

The squat is well known to be is by far one of the most physical, growth hormone stimulating excercise in existance. More growth hormone = increased testosterone = more DHT = potentially more hairloss. Other excercies are just not as physically stressful on the body.

If you look the web regarding Zinc, high levels of it can increase testosterone thus producing more DHT and baldness.

Lifting weights in general increases testosterone. Yes you are correct about squat's, they do produce more Testosterone in the body. But how much do you think it increases it? You think the squat is semi- responsible for male pattern baldness? Bench pressing gives of the second most testosterone when done in the human body. How much more Test is given off when comparring the two? No much of a difference, I can tell you that.

Just because the body produces more Testosterone that does not mean it automaticly gets converted into DHT. It also converts into estrogen. Not saying that it is a good thing but you are suggesting that when doing squats you will loss hair. That is simply not true.

As far as the you saying " those are your opinion's "

How can you say " Creatine definitely increases hairloss "

Then say " This is just my opinion? "

When making a statement like that and saying " That is my opinion " that does not make it your opinion. You are stating that Creatine 100% play's a role in hair loss.

As for the Zinc. Zinc is good for you. Yes it increases Testostrone in males if taken at HIGH doses for long periods of time. You are talking about a multi V that has 10-15mg of Zinc. You are suggesting that someone taking 10-15mg of zinc that is included in a multi-V that it will increase testosterone production enough to cause an effect with hair loss?

That statement is wrong and zinc at lower doses such as 10-15mg is good for hair as well as general health.

As for the L-Glutamine thing...... ITS AN AMINO ACID! Amino acids/protein makes your hair stronger!!! You could take 100 grams a day. It would not be good for general health but has nothing to do with hair!What are you talking about " only with protein ?"

 

[FabioM]

Im hardcore into lifting weights, ive taken, creatine, glutamine, fat burners, whey protein and and whole bunch of other supplements. Ive been on very strict calorie controlled diets. Ive done alot of cutting and bulking both gaining and losing large amounts of weight in a short time frame. Ive done massive amounts cardio both low intensity and high intensity (HIIT) training techniques. Ive trained for 6 days a week 3-4 months at a time, doing extreme lifting, squats, dead lifts, heavy bench presses.. EVERYTHING! and lots of periods in between of poor diet and no exercise. Ive done it all! And in this regard and I can only speak of my personal experience of losing hair and lifting weights, coz i have struggled with it for a long time on decideing whether its been positive or a negative experience for me. And at certain times in the past I felt it has made me lose hair and other times ive thought its actually helped in maintaining my hair through healthy living. I dont want to drag this on forever but this is my opinion after 5-6 years of bodybuilding.

1. Creatine definately increses hairloss

2. Glutamine is safe in small doses ie: mixed within the whey protein, but in large doeses it increases hairloss in my opinion.

3. Whey protein on its own is perfectly safe and does not effect hairloss. I have 3 serves a day.

4. I think squats increase hairloss. This is what i noticed when i was doing intense squats (so much that i could barely walk after, it works the whole body) and releases to much growth hormone which causes hairloss.

5. Besides squats every other weight lifting excercise is fine, and doesnt cause hairloss. Why would anyone wanna work on their legs anyway? I work on my upper body almost exclusively. I do some calve work too.

6. Lifting weights in general is healthy for your hair and definetly does not increase hairloss.

7. Long cadio sessions like marthon running and anything over 7 miles a day causes your hair to thin in diffuse manner. To much stress hormone is realeased. Stick to under an hour cardio sessions. Other than that its good for ur hair and skin.

8. Multi vitamins with zinc everyday cause more hairloss. You dont need them everyday. Only take a half everyday or 1 every second day is quite enough.

9. Eating a diet to low in fat increases hairloss, you need to have at least 40grams of fat a day for ur hair to remain healthy.

10. Extremelly low calorie diets like crash diets like under 1200 calories a day also causes hairloss.


Ok thats all i can think of now. This is my own personal experience after years of lifting and dieting. So dont can me if you disagree with me. thanks

Metalheaddude i have to disagree with you in your statment.

I also bodybuild and have done the whole run of proteins, multi vits, creatine and glutamine.

Even if you say creatine increases hairloss, i say it´s very insignificant, the same goes for squats. Yes, your testosterone levels increase alot when doind squats but again it´s also insignificant to make a difference in hairloss.

I started bodybuilding when i still had a full set of thick hair and never ever i thought i would became bald.

I bodybuild for the sport and i love to lift weights and one thing is for shure: it wont be this little increases in testosterone due to supplements or exercices that will make me leave bodybuilding just because of hairloss.

Just practice it and enjoy it...makes you strong and healthy and you feel very good.

 

[metalheaddude]

All i can do is lead you to this link and read an experts opinion on this very issue...read it...its only short.

http://www.baldingblog.com/2006/06/26/g ... follow-up/

In regards to the glutamine mixed in with the whey, you can buy certain protein powders that actually have smaller doses of glutamine mixed in already. Thats what i ment. I used to buy it in powder form and just mix like 10g of it with water, i also did this with creatine....maybe their is better products out their now, i dont know....all i know is i had a bad reaction to both of them.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

All i can do is lead you to this link and read an experts opinion on this very issue...read it...its only short.

http://www.baldingblog.com/2006/06/26/g ... follow-up/

In regards to the glutamine mixed in with the whey, you can buy certain protein powders that actually have smaller doses of glutamine mixed in already. Thats what i ment. I used to buy it in powder form and just mix like 10g of it with water, i also did this with creatine....maybe their is better products out their now, i dont know....all i know is i had a bad reaction to both of them.

he says nothing to back ur stupid commandments

 

[Jaydigs1122]

LMAO


and I quote :

" There is no direct association that I know of between taking amino acids supplement and hair loss. Any deficiency in these however, will produce hair loss. Good diets should alone produce adequate amounts of these essential nutritionals. "

This is coming from the page you reffered us to.

I just want to get this straight. You read that artice and thought it would help your arguement?

I am not trying to be rude but WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

What, in that article, did your read that you believe backed up anything you have wrote? That DHEA could possibly increase hairloss? That is not your arguement and has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Even that article is written in a way that it was an opinion and not a fact. You suggest all of these false statements and in the proccess of defending yourself you post that? No facts, no studies, no research... Just an opinion.

This whole thread is a joke and I feel bad if anyone takes what you have said into consideration. Before you post " crap " such as this you might want to consider that other's that do not know any better might take what you have to say and follow it. I have a real problem with guys such as yourself, not thinking before you post, not taking the time to do proper research and suggesting false statements.

You sir are a scary part of web sites like this. You need to do better research and use your head.


Flat out.


Also in regards to your dosage of L Glutamine and creatine. 10grams???

Suggested use for both is 5 grams. You doubled your dose. Why?

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

LMAO


and I quote :

" There is no direct association that I know of between taking amino acids supplement and hair loss. Any deficiency in these however, will produce hair loss. Good diets should alone produce adequate amounts of these essential nutritionals. "

This is coming from the page you reffered us to.

I just want to get this straight. You read that artice and thought it would help your arguement?

I am not trying to be rude but WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

What, in that article, did your read that you believe backed up anything you have wrote? That DHEA could possibly increase hairloss? That is not your arguement and has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Even that article is written in a way that it was an opinion and not a fact. You suggest all of these false statements and in the proccess of defending yourself you post that? No facts, no studies, no research... Just an opinion.

This whole thread is a joke and I feel bad if anyone takes what you have said into consideration. Before you post " crap " such as this you might want to consider that other's that do not know any better might take what you have to say and follow it. I have a real problem with guys such as yourself, not thinking before you post, not taking the time to do proper research and suggesting false statements.

You sir are a scary part of web sites like this. You need to do better research and use your head.


Flat out.

:agree: :bravo:

 

[retropunk]

LMAO
What, in that article, did your read that you believe backed up anything you have wrote? That DHEA could possibly increase hairloss? That is not your arguement and has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Even that article is written in a way that it was an opinion and not a fact. You suggest all of these false statements and in the proccess of defending yourself you post that? No facts, no studies, no research... Just an opinion.

You're misreading his suggestion. He doesn't say it will cause hair loss because it doesn't directly do anything to your hair. DHEA is precursor for androstenedione. It can increase your testosterone, which increases DHT. This is not an opinion. It's a fact. It's science as we know it. However, the fact that your DHT could rise from DHEA shouldn't be questioned. What should be question is whether the increase of DHT from the DHEA is raised high enough to warrant concern for the 'suggested' dosage. Additionally, could there be a minimal dose of DHEA where the DHT increase is so low, the benefits from DHEA is still achieved and the potential for hair loss is diminished.

I'm not sure how creatine may cause hair loss. This would mean that meat-eaters would also lose their hair as creatine is found in all sorts of meat - especially red meat and fish. I personally don't see it or L-Glutamine causing hair loss. I guess if you made a paste and had scrubbed it into your hair, you could get irritation/inflammation and end result MAY be hair loss. :mrgreen:

 

[Jaydigs1122]

LMAO
What, in that article, did your read that you believe backed up anything you have wrote? That DHEA could possibly increase hairloss? That is not your arguement and has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Even that article is written in a way that it was an opinion and not a fact. You suggest all of these false statements and in the proccess of defending yourself you post that? No facts, no studies, no research... Just an opinion.

You're misreading his suggestion. He doesn't say it will cause hair loss because it doesn't directly do anything to your hair. DHEA is precursor for androstenedione. It can increase your testosterone, which increases DHT. This is not an opinion. It's a fact. It's science as we know it. However, the fact that your DHT could rise from DHEA shouldn't be questioned. What should be question is whether the increase of DHT from the DHEA is raised high enough to warrant concern for the 'suggested' dosage. Additionally, could there be a minimal dose of DHEA where the DHT increase is so low, the benefits from DHEA is still achieved and the potential for hair loss is diminished.

I'm not sure how creatine may cause hair loss. This would mean that meat-eaters would also lose their hair as creatine is found in all sorts of meat - especially red meat and fish. I personally don't see it or L-Glutamine causing hair loss. I guess if you made a paste and had scrubbed it into your hair, you could get irritation/inflammation and end result MAY be hair loss. :mrgreen:

I am perfectly aware of what DHEA does in the human body. I am not questioning that fact that DHEA increases Testosterone and in turn gets converted into DHT, hence causing more potential hair loss. I never said that the DHEA conversion into Testosterone turning into DHT was an opinion. I was reffering to his argurement. His arguement had nothing to do with DHEA but yet that article was posted. The article with the exception of the DHEA fact was and opinion and had nothing factual about it.

You should re-read the article and re-read my post.

 

[retropunk]

LMAO
What, in that article, did your read that you believe backed up anything you have wrote? That DHEA could possibly increase hairloss? That is not your arguement and has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Even that article is written in a way that it was an opinion and not a fact. You suggest all of these false statements and in the proccess of defending yourself you post that? No facts, no studies, no research... Just an opinion.

You should re-read the article and re-read my post.

As you can see, you said the article is written as an opinion. I figured you meant the entire article and not the suggestion that L-Glutamine may cause hair loss. Could I have re-read it three, four, five times and get a different conclusion? Probably not. Sorry, but I can't do a vulcan-mind meld.

 

[Jaydigs1122]

LMAO
What, in that article, did your read that you believe backed up anything you have wrote? That DHEA could possibly increase hairloss? That is not your arguement and has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Even that article is written in a way that it was an opinion and not a fact. You suggest all of these false statements and in the proccess of defending yourself you post that? No facts, no studies, no research... Just an opinion.

You should re-read the article and re-read my post.

As you can see, you said the article is written as an opinion. I figured you meant the entire article and not the suggestion that L-Glutamine may cause hair loss. Could I have re-read it three, four, five times and get a different conclusion? Probably not. Sorry, but I can't do a vulcan-mind meld.

You don't have to do any mind-meld, in fact you don't even have to respond. I never asked for a response from you nor did I write anything in the above post's concerning you. At no time did I ask for your opinion nor do I care for your opinion. You can re-read that post 100 times and you can have a view on how I wrote the word " the " and I don't want to hear what you think.

End of story.

 

[retropunk]

You don't have to do any mind-meld, in fact you don't even have to respond. I never asked for a response from you nor did I write anything in the above post's concerning you. At no time did I ask for your opinion nor do I care for your opinion. You can re-read that post 100 times and you can have a view on how I wrote the word " the " and I don't want to hear what you think.

End of story.

My bad. I thought this was a discussion group. I figured people were free to respond as they see fit. Silly me. :roll: