michael barry

[eddy_simpson]

if you dont mind divulging, what is your current regimen? I respect the posts you make on here so would be interested to know how things are going for you.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

if you dont mind divulging, what is your current regimen? I respect the posts you make on here so would be interested to know how things are going for you.

he has dabbled with many different things...but the backbone of his regimen is propecia and nizoral just like most everyone on here.

 

[phish]

if anyone is serious about fighting hairloss their backbone must include a internal dht inhibitor. anything else falls short, hopefully in time we will be able to have a new product to get off internal dht blockers.

 

[Bryan]

if anyone is serious about fighting hairloss their backbone must include a internal dht inhibitor.

I would tend to question such a sweeping statement!

 

[phish]

if anyone is serious about fighting hairloss their backbone must include a internal dht inhibitor.

I would tend to question such a sweeping statement!

i do agree there are many things out there that might work for hair loss, but none have long term studies to back it up like finasteride. i personally think someone on proxiphen could mantain just fine long term.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

if anyone is serious about fighting hairloss their backbone must include a internal dht inhibitor.

I would tend to question such a sweeping statement!

I wouldnt...finasteride/dutasteride have proven to be the most reliable and effective treatments....other things have worked but none of the track record of finasteride....once you stray from that your basically venturing into the unknown.

 

[Bryan]

I wouldnt...finasteride/dutasteride have proven to be the most reliable and effective treatments....

Uhh...they're probably the most reliable and effective of all the formally tested substances (as in published medical journal studies), but that certainly doesn't mean that they also surpass ALL other substances which haven't even undergone such formal testing.

I've already mentioned this a few times in the past under similar circumstances, and I'll do it again one more time. Dr. Proctor once made an incredibly bold statement on alt.baldspot. These were his exact words: "Proxiphen is unquestionably more effective than finasteride alone." It's hard for me to imagine that he would make such a bold statement, if he didn't have very good reason to believe it to be true.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

I wouldnt...finasteride/dutasteride have proven to be the most reliable and effective treatments....

I've already mentioned this a few times in the past under similar circumstances, and I'll do it again one more time. Dr. Proctor once made an incredibly bold statement on alt.baldspot. These were his exact words: "Proxiphen is unquestionably more effective than finasteride alone." It's hard for me to imagine that he would make such a bold statement, if he didn't have very good reason to believe it to be true.

i dont care...there are more studies and more proof behind finasteride....if you had to choose one treatment for the long term it would have to be finasteride!

how can he make such a claim? for someone who loves to read studies! he has no studies at all with prox...no hair counts/ hair weights or anything...for him to make a claim like that is irresponsible

finasteride is by far the best weapon we have against hair loss right now for MOST people.

 

[Bryan]

i dont care...there are more studies and more proof behind finasteride....

WRONG. There are more studies and more proof (from a numerical standpoint) behind topical minoxidil than there is behind finasteride.

how can he make such a claim? for someone who loves to read studies! he has no studies at all with prox...no hair counts/ hair weights or anything...for him to make a claim like that is irresponsible

He apparently is going by his decades of clinical experience with Proxiphen. He has said that he's seen people respond to Proxiphen who hadn't responded to Propecia. I also specifically asked him about the REVERSE of that situation, and he told me that he hadn't seen anybody respond to Propecia who hadn't responded to Proxiphen.

finasteride is by far the best weapon we have against hair loss right now for MOST people.

Maybe, maybe not. I also think the fact that you would add those specific words "by far" especially makes your claim very suspect.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

bryan..there maybe be more studies with minoxidil BUT we know that finas has a better success rate...esp. vs. the liquid minoxidil.

a young baldings mans best option is BY FAR propecia...case close

proctor cannot make a claim like that...well he can but it holds no water. we need double blind studies and there are none with prox. if someone had to choose one treatment and they chose prox over finas they would be a fool (unless they got sides with finasteride) finas maintains hair counts over 5 years in 90% of users....i dont see prox being anymore effective than that.

 

[Bryan]

I respect your position, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. Dr. Proctor's opinion carries a fair amount of weight with me and if he thinks that Proxiphen is "unquestionably more effective" than Propecia, then that gives me considerable pause, even if he's never conducted formal trials with it.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

I respect your position, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. Dr. Proctor's opinion carries a fair amount of weight with me and if he thinks that Proxiphen is "unquestionably more effective" than Propecia, then that gives me considerable pause, even if he's never conducted formal trials with it.

so if you knew a young balding guy and he asked you for advice one ONE treatment (regardless of price) youd recomment prox over propecia?

 

[Bryan]

You were wise to include the "regardless of price" stipulation, because price would obviously be a major factor in the choice for the majority of users. But something that you FAILED to mention is the issue of side-effects, which would probably nudge me in favor of Proxiphen as the preferred choice for such a hypothetical young man.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

You were wise to include the "regardless of price" stipulation, because price would obviously be a major factor in the choice. But something that you FAILED to mention is the issue of side-effects, which would probably nudge me in favor of Proxiphen as the preferred choice for a young man.

besides side effects as well ( i guess iasnt wise enough) in a world where money is no object and sides do not exist...what would you recommend for a young balding man?

 

[Bryan]

You've brought me to an impasse! I'm unable to make a decision under those stated conditions. I have about equal confidence in both treatments.

 

[phish]

dutasteride and proxiphen applied right after shower on wet scalp with hair short and nizoral 3 times a week left on scalp for 10 minutes is probably the closest thing to a cure we have right now for a young man.

 

[masculineyourheart]

I am that young man!

...so minoxidil plus prox-n is a waste of time?
...and proxiphen is a lot better than prox-n?
...proxiphen rocks the hardest, followed by prox-n, then minoxidil?

 

[Jacobo]

I am that young man!

...so minoxidil plus prox-n is a waste of time?
...and proxiphen is a lot better than prox-n?
...proxiphen rocks the hardest, followed by prox-n, then minoxidil?

check this link

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/mess ... SGDBTABLE=

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

You've brought me to an impasse! I'm unable to make a decision under those stated conditions. I have about equal confidence in both treatments.

aww phooey...u know it would be finasteride