Merck corruption

[Rawtashk]

Oh, but I have a receding hairline as well, and my overall density isn't what it was 5 years ago :-/

 

[hairhoper]

Propecia and minoxidil works great for diffuse thinners.

There are tons of examples of this in the success stories forum.

And personally as a diffuse thinner I've gone from someone who shaved their head for 10 months due to woeful thinning to now daring to grow my hair out and having people amazed (and asking questions :/) about my hair.

(I will share photos soon).

Ripple you've been on this forum for months without revealing what your supposed superior-to-finasteride regimen is, whilst making mad claims about topical Saw Palmetto et al. About time you came clean? :whistle:

 

[Joe-1991]

I do not deny that a minority of people have had side effects, some lasting for years. The people on propecia help might be sensationalists, but it's impossible that it's "all in your head" for 100% of them. Go back through my posts and red what I've said about finasteride/Propecia. I've never denied that there is a potential for sides. What I've tried to impress on people is the fact that you are in the EXTREME minority if you get long lasting sides.

When I see posts of Rawtashk, I hardly ever read it because I know that he will be praising Propecia. Seriously, this guy is suspicious. He has overly-positive attitude towards Propecia.

You don't have to read them, it's no skin off my nose.

Suspicious? Because I'm a big supporter of something that's had great success for me? I'm not some random poster with 20 posts all with links to Merk's website. I have a whole story that you can read and judge for yourself.

You know why I have an "overly-positive attitude towards Propecia"?
Here's my older brother when he was 23

Here's me last month at 27, with wet hair

I have about 2x the amount of hair that ANY male in my family (mom or dad's side) had at the age of 27. Hell, even my younger brother (22) has less hair than me. What's not to be overly-positive about it?

I understand that you haven't had the success, and that you've had sides with finasteride (because I DO read people's posts instead of dismissing ones that don't strictly follow my view), but that's no reason to come and attack me for it.

Here's another idea....anyone could go here and read my entire story and judge for themselves instead of just listen to you accuse me of nonesense

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65594&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Christ....

To be fair, your brother is an absolute mess but it isn't all because of his hair. I am glad that finasteride has worked for you.

 

[Cali PokerDealer]

I'm new on finasteride and pretty new around here myself, but Joe, it's cool that you're here keeping people informed regardless of the fact we don't all agree on the risk/reward ratio of taking a chance with something like finasteride.

 

[twenty.five]

I do not deny that a minority of people have had side effects, some lasting for years. The people on propecia help might be sensationalists, but it's impossible that it's "all in your head" for 100% of them. Go back through my posts and red what I've said about finasteride/Propecia. I've never denied that there is a potential for sides. What I've tried to impress on people is the fact that you are in the EXTREME minority if you get long lasting sides.

When I see posts of Rawtashk, I hardly ever read it because I know that he will be praising Propecia. Seriously, this guy is suspicious. He has overly-positive attitude towards Propecia.

You don't have to read them, it's no skin off my nose.

Suspicious? Because I'm a big supporter of something that's had great success for me? I'm not some random poster with 20 posts all with links to Merk's website. I have a whole story that you can read and judge for yourself.

You know why I have an "overly-positive attitude towards Propecia"?
Here's my older brother when he was 23

Here's me last month at 27, with wet hair

I have about 2x the amount of hair that ANY male in my family (mom or dad's side) had at the age of 27. Hell, even my younger brother (22) has less hair than me. What's not to be overly-positive about it?

I understand that you haven't had the success, and that you've had sides with finasteride (because I DO read people's posts instead of dismissing ones that don't strictly follow my view), but that's no reason to come and attack me for it.

Here's another idea....anyone could go here and read my entire story and judge for themselves instead of just listen to you accuse me of nonesense

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65594&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Christ....

To be fair, your brother is an absolute mess but it isn't all because of his hair. I am glad that finasteride has worked for you.

Whoa, you're hardly in a position to call someone else "an absolute mess".

I wonder if that guy's brother and the little girl in the picture know that their photos are being repeatedly posted in a hair loss forum. I really don't think it's appropriate.

 

[jd_uk]

When I see posts of Rawtashk, I hardly ever read it because I know that he will be praising Propecia. Seriously, this guy is suspicious. He has overly-positive attitude towards Propecia.

that's a very immature stance.

Why is it immature? He's not the only one who finds Rawtashk's posts very suspicious - very rarely do you see another poster talk about finasteride like he does and frankly some of his 'just take it...there's more risk stepping in your car' posts are disgusting when there are real people here who's lives have been seriously impacted by the drug.

Messing with hormones is a dangerous business and i have much less faith in this board when you see the whole 'take this drug, i took it, i knew it wasn't a sugarpill, you can buy it here,I would have looked as bad as my brother and you will too if you don't do what i did'.

Now that sh*t, IS immature.

 

[Timi]

and Joe-1991 says absolutely the Fact

finasteride ruined in long time Your Body and Healthy

i had good success with finasteride 14Years long than the Hairs
get slowly thinnig , but the price was high
totaly Impotenc ,shrink Penis, Muscel loss-Muscel Pain

 

[IrishFella]

Just reading this c***, Joe-1991's replies proves he's nothing but a scumbag, who are you to call someone an absolute mess?

You miserable prick, you can keep spouting your hate and try to scare people, but a 18 year old shouldn't have went near finasteride, it's your own fault.

You'd wanna stop offending people or if not, you shouldn't expect any kind of sympathy.

 

[Joe-1991]

Irishfella,

Almost every post of yours is encouraging people to take finasteride or telling people that side effects are 'imaginary'. I don't understand what you are getting from this behavior? from what i can see, you are not selling finasteride.

Sure, it's my fault. That doesn't mean i can't make other people aware of the dangers.

I can't even believe people can still defend finasteride when there is this sort of stuff out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nXWVTStnHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAZ3-t7vJeg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXxUpiExMtQ

Finasteride:

Preventing erections and priapism

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19616292

Causing cancer

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/96/4/338.full

Depression

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19655698

Castrate effects on rats and humans

http://books.google.ca/books?id=ODBL...ceptor&f=false

Causing erectile dysfunction

http://www.medworm.com/rss/search.ph...rugs&r=Any&o=d

Suicide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXxUpiExMtQ

By the way. Your insults do not affect me in the slightest because 1. we are on the internet and 2. i hardly have any feelings anymore anyway

So please, stop wasting your time. I don't care if i am wasting my time posting about the dangers of finasteride.

 

[Timi]

Miox is the same sh*t

Heartproblems and breathing Problems-Face swelling-Tinnitus
big eyerings

all Hairlossproducts very Dangerous

 

[IrishFella]

During a 4 to 6 year placebo-controlled study testing finasteride 5 mg on 3,047 men, there were 4 cases of breast cancer in men treated with Proscar but no cases in men given placebo. In another 4 year placebo controlled study testing Proscar using 3,040 men, there were 2 cases of breast cancer in placebo treated men, but no cases were reported in men treated with Proscar. To my knowledge there have been no significant reports that can directly connect long term use of finasteride to male breast cancer.

As far as prostate cancer, the long term use of finasteride has recently been linked to a significant decrease in the risk of developing prostate cancer. Finasteride is also now being prescribed as a preventative treatment to some high risk patients, such as those with a strong family history of prostate cancer.

http://www.thebaldtruth.com/hair-loss/p ... arm-liver/

I know an awful lot about pharmaceutical drugs, did you know that over the counter painkillers can cause liver and kidney failure?

EVERY synthetic drug carries side effects, and the majority of them are safe, you make it out that every male will get adverse affects like you, but it's NOT TRUE.

http://www.ishrs.org/articles/propecia-study.htm

Look at finasteride v the placebo over the 5 years.

OK, I shouldn't have cursed you out but this is the second time you have attacked a poster because finasteride works for him and in 3 years he has got minimal side effects, first you hope you suffers from adverse effects and THEN you outright abuse his brother, for no reason whatsoever.

 

[Joe-1991]

Just to put the cherry on the cake - the propecia.com website is down and reads "You are encouraged to report negative side effects of prescription drugs to the FDA.
Visit http://www.fda.gov/medwatch, or call 1-800-FDA-1088." in bold font.

Strange how this happens just as the Lawsuits are pressing on and side effects are becoming well known within the pharmaceutical industry and media - to an extent.

For anyone that is interested there was a Seminar in italy on persistent side effects

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... =29&t=5416

 

[IrishFella]

Agree to disagree, you want to warn people off Finasteride over your unfortunate experience with it, but you should also post the countless clinical trials that have the official safety statistics so people can judge on their own.

I'm done arguing with you. I've said my bit, and you've said yours.

 

[Rawtashk]

Agree to disagree, you want to warn people off Finasteride over your unfortunate experience with it, but you should also post the countless clinical trials that have the official safety statistics so people can judge on their own.

I'm done arguing with you. I've said my bit, and you've said yours.

I agree that, despise the overwhelming evidence in favor of Propecia, we'll never change his mind. However, if you stop responding to his posts, then all that people will see when they come to this website is "OMG! finasteride IS THE HORRIBLES!" and it will scare them away....which is exactly what he wants.

 

[Joe-1991]

Agree to disagree, you want to warn people off Finasteride over your unfortunate experience with it, but you should also post the countless clinical trials that have the official safety statistics so people can judge on their own.

I'm done arguing with you. I've said my bit, and you've said yours.

I am pretty sure this whole thread screams out loud why going by clinical trials is a bad idea. Especially when dealing with a pharmaceutical company such as Merck.

The Merck Vioxx case is fairly well known

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6192603/ns/ ... ptshGDsvpU
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/14/business/14merck.html

Given that Merck were allowed to get away with killing thousands of people. I have no chance of ever getting to them in my opinion. Those scum bags are allowed to take away a man's sexuality, virility, motivation, confidence, overall desire for life - pretty much everything that keeps a human ticking and walk away without consequences. I would of rather been a vioxx death statistic.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... octor.aspx

The article above pretty much sums up how evil the pharmaceutical industry can be. Don't get me wrong, we need drugs for ill people. They save lives and give people a quality of life, which they would never have without the use of drugs. However, you always have to remember that the pharmaceutical industry is a monopoly and money rules. I just wish i knew all of this before i ordered generic finasteride to try and stop myself from going bald for a couple of years.

 

[jd_uk]

ffs why is this like the only board on the internet where you can take you post spam links like Rawtashk does and even be questioned by the moderators if you call him out on it. ANY other board and someone is banned or at least ticked off for doing it.

I have no doubt that there are some very corrupt people here now (as you'd expect in the hair loss industry which thrives on preying on men's insecurities).

The genuine posters are obvious...someone who says just take it use my link 'if you want', or you'll end up like my brother. That is just F'd UP!

The guys posts arent even consistent if you look through them - one minute he had no sides whatsoever, then he wasnt sure, then he might have had some but they were manageable, then he had some but 'the reward of that versus looking like my brother woooah!' and no i'm not talking about from the change in doses.

Sort it out FFS for people who are both genuinely concerned about their hair loss AND their health and don't want this 'take it, it's safer than stepping in a car' rammed down their throat.

 

[Rawtashk]

At this point, you have no one to blame but yourself...so you decide to turn it on to someone else. The fact of the matter is what happened, happened. Bitching and moaning about how horrible your life is won't do ANYTHING but make you feel more horrible about your life.

You blame Merk, but you didn't even take the drug from them. You've admitted previously that you got generic finasteride. Merk didn't even make the drug that you are saying destroyed your life!!

Also, you can blame Merk all you want, but perhaps you should have done the smart thing and consulted your (or a) doctor before starting any medication. Self medicating is never a very good idea. A doctor probably could have informed you of the potential side effects of the drug.

Also, you could have done research on your own if you were going to self medicate. I'm sure that you would have come across the propeciahelp site if you'd done 2 minutes of googling.


I'm also fairly confident that you will blow off everything I just said and continue to blame Merk and complain about how hopeless your life is. Be a goddamn man about it, pick yourself up by your bootstraps, and get your *** moving towards something POSITIVE in your life!

As an aside...you might look into Somatomax
http://primev.com/human-growth-hormone- ... tomax.aspx

I've had trouble getting to sleep for years, and this stuff really helps. I've only been using it for a week, but I can already feel an overall difference in myself. It raises your body's production of HGH, and it says that it helps with libido.
http://www.amazon.com/Hi-Tech-HTP-SOMA- ... d_sim_hpc1

 

[Rawtashk]

ffs why is this like the only board on the internet where you can take you post spam links like Rawtashk does and even be questioned by the moderators if you call him out on it. ANY other board and someone is banned or at least ticked off for doing it.

I have no doubt that there are some very corrupt people here now (as you'd expect in the hair loss industry which thrives on preying on men's insecurities).

The genuine posters are obvious...someone who says just take it use my link 'if you want', or you'll end up like my brother. That is just F'd UP!

The guys posts arent even consistent if you look through them - one minute he had no sides whatsoever, then he wasnt sure, then he might have had some but they were manageable, then he had some but 'the reward of that versus looking like my brother woooah!' and no i'm not talking about from the change in doses.

Sort it out FFS for people who are both genuinely concerned about their hair loss AND their health and don't want this 'take it, it's safer than stepping in a car' rammed down their throat.

yes....my 600+ posts are all spammy, and I have SOOOO much to gain from you guys taking finasteride :whistle:

Here's an idea, stop being such a twat and trying to call me out. If you actually READ my posts, then you'd know that I'm not a spammer. I've never ONCE said "take finasteride or else you'll look like my brother". I personally don't give 2 shits if you don't want to take it, but don't go around fear-mongering other people.

 

[jd_uk]

ffs why is this like the only board on the internet where you can take you post spam links like Rawtashk does and even be questioned by the moderators if you call him out on it. ANY other board and someone is banned or at least ticked off for doing it.

I have no doubt that there are some very corrupt people here now (as you'd expect in the hair loss industry which thrives on preying on men's insecurities).

The genuine posters are obvious...someone who says just take it use my link 'if you want', or you'll end up like my brother. That is just F'd UP!

The guys posts arent even consistent if you look through them - one minute he had no sides whatsoever, then he wasnt sure, then he might have had some but they were manageable, then he had some but 'the reward of that versus looking like my brother woooah!' and no i'm not talking about from the change in doses.

Sort it out FFS for people who are both genuinely concerned about their hair loss AND their health and don't want this 'take it, it's safer than stepping in a car' rammed down their throat.

yes....my 600+ posts are all spammy, and I have SOOOO much to gain from you guys taking finasteride :whistle:

Here's an idea, stop being such a twat and trying to call me out. If you actually READ my posts, then you'd know that I'm not a spammer. I've never ONCE said "take finasteride or else you'll look like my brother". I personally don't give 2 shits if you don't want to take it, but don't go around fear-mongering other people.

Here's an idea, stop being such a twat and telling guys 'just get on the finasteride or you'll look like my bro, here's the link'.

Seriously, it's just f*cked up. There are guys on here who are genuinely messed up from the drug so have some respect when you give you 'advice'.

 

[Rawtashk]

How about you tell me when I ever used scare tactics like that? Because I didn't. I linked pictures in my success story, and he was in there because it gives a picture of my family's history of baldness. I then included a picture of him and a picture of me in a different post when you attempted to call me out as a Merk shill. The pictures were as a way to prove my point that I was, in fact, NOT a Merk shill, and the reason I liked finasteride was because of the results that I had gotten.

But, feel free to keep making more baseless accusations against me to try and scare off other people. Sadly, people will believe a negative report without doing any fact checking.