Merck corruption

[Joe-1991]

Propecia and vioxx

http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/04 ... ysfunction

Bribery

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/busin ... merck.html

Vioxx over 27,000 deaths

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/v ... mates.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 557471.ece

How about the fact that Merck came up with the drug from studying a group of pseudohermaphrodite people with smaller prostate and no hair loss? have you seen what a pseudohermaphrodite is?

(warning - graphic picture)

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=pseudo ... 29,r:8,s:0

Do we need anymore reasons for this drug to be taken off the market for male pattern baldness?

 

[hairhoper]

Couldn't give a sh*t.

They may have been assholes over vioxx, I know nothing about that drug, nor do I care.

Finasteride works.

 

[Cassin]

Money wins...thats the way the world always has and always will be

 

[Wuffer]

I'm not defending Merck about Vioxx or anything, but I did some research into it a while back and found out how well the drug really works. It's so effective that people living with such severe pain that they were bedridden were able to function normally while taking the medication. Vioxx was even more effective than some other highly addictive painkillers such as Oxycodone.

Last I read, there are a number of people petitioning to get Vioxx back on the market because of how well it worked. I think in certain situations, such as individuals suffering from final stage cancers or other life threatening diseases that cause extreme pain, Vioxx could be a great solution for them.

Having watched a number of family members die from cancer and doping up on painkillers that basically made them zombies in their final days; I think Vioxx would have been a better alternative. Conversely, I’ve seen more than a few people having their lives taken over by highly addictive painkillers.. That’s almost just as bad to watch.

I wouldn't have any reservations if Vioxx was released to the market to be used in these situations, as long as these people understood their chance of dropping dead at any moment went way up. I think for many these people living with such severe pain, dropping dead would be a godsend. I'm not joking about this in any way. Seeing a family member or friend die a slow and excruciating death from cancer humbles you for life...

 

[Joe-1991]

Just as bad as the Vioxx case, is the fact that finasteride is ruining thousands of mens lives.

 

[Joe-1991]

It's probably horrible for parents to see there sons withdrawing from many of the things they used to love and enjoy, to start failing there studies, to never bring girls home, to never have children because they are infertile. To commit suicide because finasteride took there sexuality away from them as well as there general health.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxrSdGj0sAg

I don't know whether finasteride should be taken off the market, and i am happy that it is working for a lot of you guys to keep away the balding but there needs to be some sort of test as to whether this stuff will have life long side effects.

It has completely ruined my life before it even began. All because i started on these damn forums and got informed about generic finasteride.

 

[hairhoper]

How certain are you finasteride cause your impotence?

Also are you overweight? Sorry for the shitty question, but I have this vague notion that very healthy people seem to keep a good hormone balance while on finasteride. This is my current motivation for staying in shape whilst on it.

Edit: I realise you may just link me to the youtube vid of that ginger kid who was not overweight. Nvm. :dunno:

I believe it sucks if anyone genuinely becomes impotent from finasteride but you see how guys like me that have been using it for 1 year+ with no side-effects are inclined to believe the Merck studies that basically say it's 98% safe. :dunno:

 

[ripple-effect]

The medical system is corrupted. View my post here to see why:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68710

 

[Danik0226]

The only thing that angers me about some pharmaceuticals is the re-branding of drugs to issue new patents or extend current ones. I can't imagine that the research costs for finasteride as a treatment for hair loss were all that expensive compared to its initial use in prostate cancer and BPH. My doctor was confused when I mentioned finasteride. He responded, "Oh, you mean Propecia." If I'm not mistaken, the exclusive rights for selling finasteride as a hair loss drug has been extended 1 or 2 times now. I'm sure that had more to do with paying someone off than recouping R&D on a drug that has been available for decades now. The only thing worse may be software patents and holding exclusive rights to common functionality in a program.

Patent law should be designed to recoup R&D and provide a healthy profit for the capital investment that is in line with other markets. There seems to be too much favoritism to pharmaceuticals in their ability to keep old money coming in for old ideas.

 

[Bryan]

If I'm not mistaken, the exclusive rights for selling finasteride as a hair loss drug has been extended 1 or 2 times now.

I'm not sure what you mean. "Propecia" has only been for sale since the late 1990's, which seems to me that it should still be under normal patent protection. Please explain exactly what it is you're implying.

 

[Joe-1991]

How certain are you finasteride cause your impotence?

Also are you overweight? Sorry for the shitty question, but I have this vague notion that very healthy people seem to keep a good hormone balance while on finasteride. This is my current motivation for staying in shape whilst on it.

Edit: I realise you may just link me to the youtube vid of that ginger kid who was not overweight. Nvm. :dunno:

I believe it sucks if anyone genuinely becomes impotent from finasteride but you see how guys like me that have been using it for 1 year+ with no side-effects are inclined to believe the Merck studies that basically say it's 98% safe. :dunno:

I am the healthiest 20 year old i have ever came across and no i am not overweight i am 5'10, 160 lbs with decent muscle.

Impotence is just the very beginning of what finasteride has done to me and others. Believe me, i find it crazy how there is so many guys like you who take it with no problems. I have no idea what has happened to me, it's just what it is.

 

[hairhoper]

You know what I'm gonna say now that you've mentioned you are 20...

That's young, border-line to be even starting to take it, which means you were probably too young when you started. :/

Probably wouldn't recommend it to anyone under 25 personally, but then that's easy for me to say because my hairloss didn't really kick in til I was about 24.

Danik, Bryan, According to Wikipedia, Merck patent on Propecia/1mg finasteride is supposed to end in Nov 2013.

 

[Cassin]

How certain are you finasteride cause your impotence?

Also are you overweight? Sorry for the shitty question, but I have this vague notion that very healthy people seem to keep a good hormone balance while on finasteride. This is my current motivation for staying in shape whilst on it.

Edit: I realise you may just link me to the youtube vid of that ginger kid who was not overweight. Nvm. :dunno:

I believe it sucks if anyone genuinely becomes impotent from finasteride but you see how guys like me that have been using it for 1 year+ with no side-effects are inclined to believe the Merck studies that basically say it's 98% safe. :dunno:

I am the healthiest 20 year old i have ever came across and no i am not overweight i am 5'10, 160 lbs with decent muscle.

Impotence is just the very beginning of what finasteride has done to me and others. Believe me, i find it crazy how there is so many guys like you who take it with no problems. I have no idea what has happened to me, it's just what it is.

What has your Dr said?

 

[Rawtashk]

There is no reason for it to be taken off the market. The ratio of people it's helped to people it's hurt is heavily in favor of the helped side.

There are soooo many things that people take that have potential sides. Pay attention the next time you're watching TV and a commercial for nuva ring comes on. The potential sides sound scary. Read up on birth control sides...yet there are COUNTLESS amounts of women out there that are on it.

There is nothing in this world that works 100% of the time for 100% of the people and has an adverse effect 0% of the time.

 

[misterpharmacist]

There is no reason for it to be taken off the market. The ratio of people it's helped to people it's hurt is heavily in favor of the helped side.

There are soooo many things that people take that have potential sides. Pay attention the next time you're watching TV and a commercial for nuva ring comes on. The potential sides sound scary. Read up on birth control sides...yet there are COUNTLESS amounts of women out there that are on it.

There is nothing in this world that works 100% of the time for 100% of the people and has an adverse effect 0% of the time.

So you're admitting it could cause long term or permanent problems in a minority then? Do you think that minority deserve to be recompensed by the drug company and the cause of the long term effects investigated to enable their successful treatment?

 

[TravisB]

When I see posts of Rawtashk, I hardly ever read it because I know that he will be praising Propecia. Seriously, this guy is suspicious. He has overly-positive attitude towards Propecia.

 

[Rawtashk]

I do not deny that a minority of people have had side effects, some lasting for years. The people on propecia help might be sensationalists, but it's impossible that it's "all in your head" for 100% of them. Go back through my posts and red what I've said about finasteride/Propecia. I've never denied that there is a potential for sides. What I've tried to impress on people is the fact that you are in the EXTREME minority if you get long lasting sides.

When I see posts of Rawtashk, I hardly ever read it because I know that he will be praising Propecia. Seriously, this guy is suspicious. He has overly-positive attitude towards Propecia.

You don't have to read them, it's no skin off my nose.

Suspicious? Because I'm a big supporter of something that's had great success for me? I'm not some random poster with 20 posts all with links to Merk's website. I have a whole story that you can read and judge for yourself.

You know why I have an "overly-positive attitude towards Propecia"?
Here's my older brother when he was 23

Here's me last month at 27, with wet hair

I have about 2x the amount of hair that ANY male in my family (mom or dad's side) had at the age of 27. Hell, even my younger brother (22) has less hair than me. What's not to be overly-positive about it?

I understand that you haven't had the success, and that you've had sides with finasteride (because I DO read people's posts instead of dismissing ones that don't strictly follow my view), but that's no reason to come and attack me for it.

Here's another idea....anyone could go here and read my entire story and judge for themselves instead of just listen to you accuse me of nonesense

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65594&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Christ....

 

[hairhoper]

This forum actually used to be far more pro finasteride/minoxidil and it's still true that if you read the success stories forum, pretty much everyone's success there is due to using the big 3.

We've had a recent wave of hippies raving about natural sh*t (that doesn't work) and people bashing finasteride, and I think that a lot of us are tired of having the same old re-hashed arguments. Also there's a certain fear in recommending the stuff now. I personally use finasteride and I haven't had side-effects but I'm still cautious to recommend it to anyone (including members of my own family who I think should be using it) because I would feel like sh*t if that person were to end up impotent.

Now that fear may only be down to a total skewing of the actual statistics by fear mongers and people attributing their bad situation to finasteride, but it's hard to judge. It's a shitty situation. :/

 

[Cassin]

When I see posts of Rawtashk, I hardly ever read it because I know that he will be praising Propecia. Seriously, this guy is suspicious. He has overly-positive attitude towards Propecia.

that's a very immature stance.

 

[ripple-effect]

Here's me last month at 27, with wet hair

You look a bit like Justin Timberlake in this photo :hump: lol

You obviously responded well to Propecia in your success story because you only show loss in your vertex. Those who are losing hair in the vertex area of their scalp are ideal to being successful with Propecia/Rogaine. It is a different story with people with receding hairlines/diffuse thinning.