MATT LEVITT, BOSLEY, MHR... QUALITY CONTROL... HAIRTECH

[hairtech]

Before I start... Dr. John Cole please send your buddy Matt the link to this thread.

Dear MHR, MAtt Levitt, and Bosley...

I am about to ask you... and your organization to think about something. There is so much negativity surrounding what you do. Yes you have been able to populate the TV media and become so popular in hair transplants. What we do here in hair forums pails in comparison to what you do to rope in the common guy in transplant surgery.

So what am I asking you? I ask you that you that you let me penetrate your clinics. Let hairtech... a simple technician that has spent the last 5 to 6 years in private practice go to each and every clinic MHR and Bosley owns and bring Bosley/MHR up to the standard of what hair transplants should be today. A serious Quality ASSURANCE person that will fix your problems.


Matt, you must realize that when folks who do research in hair transplant... they finally find out what you and Bosley really is.

Why deny this? Why not fix the issues that prevail and are not going away?

Yes who cares at this point right? You made your millions and so did Bosley... but why would you want to go down when you die as the entity that scared more than half of the surgeries you performed? Why not go down as the only large corporation that cared about every patient and that meant that you hired someone to correct your problems that everyone knows about but YOU were denying as what IS going on.

Matt, you are a brilliant man, Bosley is a brilliant man... but you must realize what you have done to society. And you have to realize that this can be easily fixed if you allow a quality control person outside your organziation...ME help you get in line... THEN and only then can you rise above the folks like Spencer kobren... who consistently speak against you... and have valid reasons for doing so. Fix what you have NOW.

I will post here my personal number for you Matt or one of your representatives to call me and have a talk. You guys aren't going anywhere. If you really care about people then you will take me serious because I am serious. Call me. 347-272-7360. Call me Matt Levitt.

 

[Administrator]

This sounds like quite a lucrative job position for you Mr. Ortiz. Are you offering to do it free of charge, to satiate your passion for protecting the consumer, or were you going to demand a pretty penny alongside this altruistic offer? Just hoping to clarify what your most influential motivation is. Money, or protecting the consumer public. Considering a large portion of your animosity towards Bosley and MHR is no doubt founded on the premise that money is their motivation, I would expect you to provide these services free of charge, so as not to draw into question your motivations as well.

PS... I have absolutely no opinion in either direction about either of the companies you've mentioned, except that i know one guy with amazing results from bosley (circa 2004), and one guy with terrible results from bosley (circa 1983). As for MHR, my only interaction with them has been their marketing guy who has always been extremely respectful towards me. So im truly an unbiased commenter here... It just honestly sounded like you were angling for a nice paying contracting job with this post. I am a slave to my need to call it like I see it, no matter whose mouth its coming out of. Friend or Foe.

 

[hairtech]

Look Admin... I would do it for free but I gotta live to. My motivation is honestly a couple of things.

1. I thought about everything this weekend and thought so if you can't beat them join them. You see what I am saying?

2. No one ever said Bosley/ MHR does bad results only. What I am merely saying is there are across the board complaint after complaint. Spencer tried to get me to talk non-stop about the inner workings of Bosley/MHR and I refused. I almost felt bad for them. So I came up with a possible solution. All they need is a quality assurance oversite from outside the company.

3. When I visited Bosley/ MHR I saw what I saw and I figured out why they have issues from time to time.

4. Why am I the only one who speaks about fixing issues at this company?

5. Bosley/MHR is not going anywhere. To really help society, you gotta try to help them within. Not fight them and say they are bad all of the time. That is what Spencer does. I don't want to do that. It is my opinion and my opinion draws serial lawsuits. Why? Because maybe I am right and maybe I scare folks.

So let's help Bosley/MHR. Or maybe they cannot be helped I don't know. I visited a Bosley in Boca Raton, Florida and I was impressed with the techs that worked there. Most of the techs had been at that office for 15 to 20 years. That is good for that one office. I was scared by a couple of different offices also

Anyway Admin... that is all I have to say about that.

 

[Administrator]

The only thing that is going to motivate Bosley to hire someone to fix what isn't broke (thats how they are viewing it, im sure), is if something financially detrimental enough occurs to their company, and something public enough .... so that they need to either save face publicly because the media is watching their response to it ... or if avoiding this "internal audit" will adversely affect their profits. That is the only way they will ever bother. They're not goin to hire someone just because someone believes they can improve their work. It wont make any $ sense to them to spend money when they are seeing a profit with things the way they are currently going. Unless youre going to also provide an entire PR campaign afterwards that advertises all the changes you made and can, via your changes, increase their profits .... which would involve implying they were doing improper work previously, and that will only make them look bad, so ... that idea is out the window as well. How would hiring you help them? Thats all they are goin to care about. Where's the benefit to them? Where's the motivation for them to start writing checks? Its a nice idea but ....

By the way, do Bosley and MHR even read this forum?

Admin

 

[hairtech]

Recently, I had said something not too savory about Bosley/MHR because I know how they work on the inside. Bosley/MHR do not read this forum or any forum for that matter. If they did, and performed search for their name on ANY hairloss forum, then they would be shocked of ALL of the negativity that is out there. It just so happened that someone brought one single comment I said up to Matt Levitt himself and guess who Matt wrote a threatening email to? Dr. harris. So you are probably right about this entire thread. Why should they hire someone to internally audit them when it would mean that they may be at fault for something? I still would think that it would be a positive thing for then and even on a PR standpoint. I don't know, something like "The New improvised Bosley/MHR"

The more improvements they make, the less Spencer can come down on them. Spencer is a consumer advocate, even he should have come up with a solution the supposed problems they have. It isn't rocket science Admin. Why not open their eyes to what is going on in the industry? There is a line between private doctors and Bosley/MHR. There have been cross-overs between the two groups. Heck, I noticed simple stuff like 1's, 2's being used in hairlines. That is a good start. But even that can be improved. Do you see where i am coming from?

 

[Guest]

Guys, please allow me to respectfully educate you on a couple of things.

First off, understand that an extremely high percent of people become physicians for one reason. TO MAKE LOTS OF MONEY, period. Oh sure, I have met a few who got into the field for humanitarian reasons, but usually they are individuals from third world countries learning and bringing their area of specialization back to their home country.

I always ask every hair transplant doctor I meet as to the reason they got into surgical hair restoration and a few said, "It's easy money!" No pagers, no on call status, no emergency rooms, no crisis', no families to deal with, etc, etc, etc. I stay away from those guys.

IMHO, many if not all of the hair mills are big chains with a corporate mentality. They care about one thing, their bottom line. Most have sales quotas for their sales force. Think of that. Sales quotas in cosmetic surgery, something that can change one's appearance for life! :freaked2:

Hairtech, you would only cost them money and like Admin said, they would be admitting to a lower standard by taking you up on your proposal. DON"T WAIT BY THE PHONE CAUSE IT AINT GONNA RING! Do you really think MHR would call you? Of course they called your employer. What I want to know is how you just start with a new clinic and Doctor and then you're willing to jump into something new again? I'm not trying to be crritical of you, but it just does not make any sense. It sounds like you were disappointed with Spencer.

You are aware that Bosley and MHR are one now right? If you compare MHR's former corporate staff, it looks like all, but Bobby K. are no longer there. Surprise, surprise!

And yes they do watch the forums, they tell their sales staff to watch and post but very, very few get invloved in posting because they are crucified every time! Look, all you have to do is read what their patients have to say in every hairloss community/website. :freaked2:

But the big thing is that in IMHO, they don't care because they don't focus on the internet forums. They still get their customers the same way they have always done it, media advertising and informercials. And they gets lots of uneducated people that way. Uneducated meaning, they don't research on the net. They also do alot of target direct mail marketing. They do their research and target the people with the right profiles. They know what they are doing.

They watch the forums for libel comments and may want to plug a few mouths, but they are not interested in waging any battles.

 

[hairtech]

Well I guess that says it all Gill. It is a worthless cause based on non-caring physicians that got into it for money, who won't admit there is a problem, who doesn't care to change, and this about sums it up.

 

[Guest]

It's not only the hair transplant industry. It's ever present in other plastic surgery arenas. It's also present in just about any industry outside of healthcare.

 

[hairtech]

Well someone has to rock the boat and while I respect those who have posted on this thread with there very true opinions... you sound like this, "Well I guess things don't change. It will alwaysa be that way. They win. You better be careful. They run everything. Let's conform. We have to do as they say. It doesn't matter we are the little guy. Who cares? Time will tell. Maybe they will get better one day. Do these statements ring a bell?

Meanwhile... what continues to go on to the unwary? The guy that does not have an internet connection, the guy that happens to see amazing results on TV and says wow that guy looks good.

You sit back because you think that is the way it is. Well I don't particularly agree with that... AND if you cared EVEN though your paid to act like you care, then you wouls stand up too.

 

[Administrator]

Hairtech - I appreciate your desire to make a change for the better, and despite how my original posts sounds, I wouldn't mind it if you got rich doing just that. Fighting for "righting" some wrongs, even if you get paid, is to be encouraged everywhere possible.

Is Spencer still even on the radio and web? Haven't heard from him in years.

Admin

 

[hairwegoagain]

Why would a hair transplant company of any size bring in a hair technician to "reorganize" the way it does business? What are your credentials aside from being a hair transplant assistant? Are you a professional auditor/MBA/marketer with turnaround management experience?

Does not compute on any level.

 

[hairtech]

Nope, just a guy that knows a lot of what is going on as a technician that has worked side by side with many top level doctors. It would not be something of a reorganization... I would be a person that could go to a clinic and suggest simple but effective changes that would better a clinic. One time I went to a NUHART clinic. Theye did not even have microscopes. I suggested to the doctor of that clinic that this was an imperative but necessary change that needed to be addressed. He said that it was a corporate money problem... red tape if you will. Well that is a small example of what I would try to help change Bosley/MHR. Small but very effective changes across the board. Maybe there are clinics that are perfect and don't need suggestions. Maybe there is one clinic that was 99% doing everything by today's private doctor standards but only needed one small change. I have another example. I saw one doctor at a clinic that used a zero angle when making sites for the hairline. Instead of making them at a 30-40 degree angle.

These are merely clinical tips made by someone who cares and understands what needs to be addressed. Thant's all.

Thank you Admin for your encouragement. I doubt I will be called... But maybe they will think about it.

 

[Guest]

Hold on one minute hairtech,

First off, where in the world do you get the gall or nerve to critique myself or falc?! You know darn well how I have spoken out against the hair mills and continue to warn patients to look elsewhere. So quit trying to make yourself look like some type of hero warrior at the expense of those of us who have given ourselves to the hairloss comuunity unselfishly, for years. Don't even get an inkling to sit and try to label or accuse me or Falc of being "paid" to act like we care about what's going on! That's staright up BS and you know it. All you are doing is trying to promote yourself, just like you did when you made your recent entry into the forums and then got kicked out for the same reasons. Do you think everyone here is ignorant? Your motives are so doggone obvious that you just lose more credibility when you start making accusations like that. Shame on you.

You are still a newcomer to the forums, and you only became this active promoting yourself once you started working for Dr. Harris. Now that you no longer work for Dr. Harris, you decide to go on a Rambo campaign against MHR, Bosley, and your former employer? Why was this not a part of your agenda before? I'll tell you why.

You are campaigning for another position. You say how much you detest these big chains yet you immediately contradict yourself by offering to go to work for them to redeem the industry. It's simply to have a paycheck. That's all it's about. And you're going to save the world right? That's your agenda now right? Give us all a break!

Grow up or get out! :-x

 

[klink]

All of you industry people come across like little b****s, you lose credibility every time you fight each other. Take the high road going forward. Gill doesn't seem too bad but you take the bait too easily, who cares what this other guy says he tends to get carried away so why should you?

 

[Guest]

You know klink, I wish these forums had only pure motives and intentions, but they do lure those with an alternative agenda(s).

These communities are supposed to be a safe place to get advice and help and reputations are everything when there is so much corruption in the industry. I don't take kindly to ANYONE attempting to falsely accuse me or try to put some label on me when they know it's not true and they try to come at me with their premeditated bull to try and make themselves look like the Messiah to mankind. That's a cheap shot and they know it.

I also had to defend Falc because he is getting at times falsely accused of having compromised ethics simply because he is being paid by the HTN to moderate and help that community. Nothing wrong with that as long as he continues to honestly help other hairloss sufferers without an altenative agenda.

How do I know that? Because Falc has been around a long time helping many others BEFORE he ever went to work in the industry. It was not like he suddenly shows up in the hairloss community promoting his Doctor and himself, and endlessly infultrating the hairloss forums. He's a multiple procedure patient like myself. He understands what it is like to go through a procedure.

I don't care how many hours a tech may have in the OR, until you have male pattern baldness and been through the procedure yourself, can you truly appreciate the experience.

Thanks for your post and I apologize if my prior post offended you because I just detest this crap too!

 

[hairtech]

Whatever Gill you and I don't see eye to eye but you know deep down that ai am not here to pump myself up or some freakon doctor... and I assumed you were on the same page. So pick your sides if you want... the bottom line here is... and I hate to hit below the belt but you forced me too. Listen all ghost readers:

1. FALCAROS AND GILLINATOR ARE PAID TO POST. THEY ARE PAID POSTERS. THEY ARE PAID TO HELP YOU FIND THE RIGHT DOCTOR FOR YOUR HAIR TRANSPLANT. LISTEN TO THEM IF YOU WANT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE SOME HELPFUL INFORMATION. HOWEVER... LISTEN TO THIS INFORMATION GHOST READER:

2. I AM NOT PAID BY ANYONE AT THE MOMENT... NOT EVEN A DOCTOR IN TRANSPLANT SURGERY... IN FACT THE INFORMATION i PROVIDE IS COMPLETELY WITHOUT AN INFLUENCE OF MONEY. AND TO ADD TO THIS FACT I HAVE WORKED FOR DRS. COLE, ROSE, COOLEY, DEVROYE, ********, MWAMBA, AND HARRIS, NOT TO MENTION I TRIED OUT BOSLEY, MHR, NUHART AND PAI AS THEY ARE THE LARGE ENTITIES IN HAIR TRANSPLANT. SO MY POINT IS THIS GILL: YOU HAVE KNOWN ME SINCE 2003. YOU KNOW MY RESUME. YOU WANT TO PICK SIDES GO AHEAD. BUT GET THIS SON... YOU WILL NEVER HAVE THE EXPERIENCE I HAVE... AND UNLESS YOU QUIT BEING PAID BY DOCTORS OR FORUMS LIKE FALCAROS IS BEING PAID BY OR FREAKON SPENCER KOBREN FOR THAT MATTER BEING PAID TOP DOLLAR BY DOCTORS... YOU WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND THE SIT OF THIS INDUSTRY THAT I KNOW. SO SHUT THE F UP.

 

[Guest]

hairtech, you're true colors always come out when you're under pressure.

Now, just for the record, the doctors at my forum signature (including Dr. Harris) support me to help pateints in every aspect of advocacy which by the way, includes mediation. They support me because they care and support what I do in helping people, and I have never charged any patients one penny for my help either. You don't have a clue as to what I do day-to-day. But the patients who come to me in confidence know who I am and what I do.

I do not infiltrate the forums, and I don't run around commercially promoting the docs who do contribute to my financial support. The truth of the matter is that posting is a small part of what I do in advocacy. You can look at my books any time.

A couple of things though hairtech. You say we don't see eye-to-eye, but actually, we agree far more on many issues than we disagree. What I have a problem with is your never ending ego and self promotion, your name calling of others (which just proves your continued immaturity), and the conflict you continue to have with many people. Does that not remind you of someone in particular? I mean go back and read your last sentence to me. Very childish. You're a bigger man than that. Quit disrespecting and disgracing youself.

And don't get me wrong. It's not that I see you and me on opposing sides. And I am not taking any sides against you. The truth is that there are many things that I do like about you Tom. And yes we have known each other from working on the inside and I professionally think that you are a great tech with alot to offer. You have lots of potential. But we are on the same side, and so is falc and many others here.

You also know that I have PM'd you when you got banned from a few places and I also offered any help to you on a personal and even legal level. That's a friend Tom, not a foe. A true friend shows up when you get kicked down and tries to help you back up. Smell the roses.

If you ever want to chat, just call me for crying out loud. There's no reason for us to battle now is there? Just remember, you started this when you came at Falc and myself unjustly and why you got chastised. Nothing more, nothing less. Take care Tom and I wish you the very best in this industry and to you and your beautiful family. I really mean that. Deep down, I know you're a good guy. You just gotta chill and then get back on your feet. Things will work out for you, you'll see. Let me know if there is any way I can help you. :wink:

 

[klink]

Good post by Gill, much more professional. I don't care if folks are paid advocates, especially if we all know they are. Heck Gill, who does FUE in Chicago?

 

[hairtech]

Gill we have different posting styles. Yours is appreciated and mine is appreciated. Let's leave it at that and congrats on picking up Harris when you saw the opportunity to jump in and for you to represent him.

Also, I don't see why you have to make dumb suggestions as me disgracing myself. I don't feel disgraced. I feel that you and folks like Falcaros take the high road too often and especially Falcaros but you know that is his style and yours. Maybe in my mind that is disgracing to see the same old mumbo jumbo all of the time you tell patients. I just did not expect it from you. I say we stop battling each other and part ways paid poster or not. As you said we are on the same side. I dont exactly agree with you but I'd rather not waste anymore time rambling on with you Gill. How do you like dem apples?

Peace brother Gill.

 

[Guest]

Klink,

Thanks for your truthful words as ever.

Listen, the closest TRUE PROVEN FUE Doctor to Chicago would be Dr. Brad Wolf in Cincinatti. You're going to need to travel for FUE.