Masturbation and hairloss

[Afro_Vacancy]

It was on youtube, and he also mentioned natural solutions like Saw Palmetto(Natural DHT blocker), pumpkin seed oil and increased intake of Zinc.
His channel name is "Dr. Josh Axe".

1) Dr. Axe has receding temples.
2) Dr. Axe doesn't have a medical degree.
3) I had actually started watching Dr. Axe for a while but I stopped because it seems like he's peddling a lot of ****.

Pumpkin seed oil, for example, as a treatment for hair loss, is possible. But the evidence is weak: a single study from a third-tier journal with some South Koreans involving a small number of patients and evaluated over a small length of time. It isn't convincing evidence at all. By all means try pumpkin seed oil, it can't hurt, but it's probably not helping you either. It shouldn't be the linchpin of any treatment option.

Saw Palmetto being natural is irrelevant. Snake venom is also natural. Dendrcnide moroides is natural, and if you touch it it will ruin your life. Who cares? You know the chemical in v**** (sidenafil) also shows up in horny goat weed? Is one of them better because it's more natural? Anyway, what the clinical research shows is that saw palmetto either does nothing, or does something similar to finasteride but very weakly. It's more expensive than finasteride. There are anecdotal reports of similar side effects. So why take SP?

 

[Thespain]

Yes we should all stop masturbating and having sex because life for us isn't already really depressing and nothing could possibly make it even worse. While we're at it we should stop exercising and lifting weights because it increases DHT.

 

[Iopu]

I masterbated a lot, worked out for years. Before my hairloss kicked in. It was just that day when my hair decided to start thinning that done it on me I think!

 

[Norwood One]

Higher DHT might be a function of higher testosterone, not "masturbation causes DHT'. rather, the fact that you have so much testosterone makes you horny as f*ck to jerk off 3x a day.

Jerk or don't jerk, you're still going to lose hair.

As for the Pumpkin seed oil bandwagon - This is the reason why. Octa sabal plus - active ingredients pumpkin seed oil and a bunch of other crap. Not sure how legit this study was:

[video=youtube;hDfziqUlPK4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDfziqUlPK4[/video]

 

[BaldingTeen]

Jerk or don't jerk, you're still going to lose hair.

Why will I lose hair despite stopping jerking off? Give me some facts

 

[sachalamp]

It's so interesting seeing this discussed every so often and seeing how defensive people get over the subject. They are quick to dismiss it, but hardly if ever do they write about their own masturbation habits.

Anyway, I see a definite connection in my case. I've been addicted to pornography since the age of 12 or 13 and I'm almost 29 now. I've started doing it more (1/day on average and sometimes 4 or more /day - what you would call binging) since 19. That's when my hairline started to recede and got a diffuse thinning. I usually do it out of stress, it's not even that pleasurable. And i've also become desensitized to actual sex with gf. I've been trying to quit even since I discovered nofap 4-5 years ago but it's a very hard habit to lose. The most I managed was 50 days, but that was cheating because I was still watching p**rn, fantasizing, edging, just that I didn't technically ejaculate. The hardest part is the mental fantasizing because you have access to it instantly.

Since nofap I've had streaks and the streaks always end up in a binge: 3/4/5 times per day for several days, then back on it for 1-2 weeks or so. The very bad stuff happens if I drag the binge for too long per day: 1 to 3 hours combined of arousal (being hard and browsing/edging).

When I binge like that, the scalp gets extremely greasy, flaky and itchy. Hair is falling like crazy. It's like clockwork: 12 hours after to 36 hours after.

When I have good streaks, it almost stops falling altogether. It is stronger and fuller. I've even seen regrowth.

I assume it's a combination of physical processes of arousal and the stress that leads me to do it. So basically when I give in to the stress. It's not just about masturbation other stresors or factors (such as animal fats or dairy in my case) trigger the itching, greasiness, flakiness and hair loss, but it's most obvious and drastic on masturbation.

On nofap there are so many accounts that's it so hard to ignore this. Just search "hair loss", "bald", "balding", "baldness", "male pattern baldness".

 

[Saurabhaj]

It's really prominent observation.
Because of FB...I am observing lots and lots of males going bald within a year of marriage.

 

[BaldingTeen]

I have a really itchy and flaky scalp, every time I scratch my scalp, a lot of white stuff deposits into my nails. Moreover, my head is very smelly.

 

[M.G]

Aint no jacking off gon turn you into a norwood 6 lol

Face the fact we got ****ty hair genetics. Aint no way in hell jacking off beats genetics.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

It's so interesting seeing this discussed every so often and seeing how defensive people get over the subject. They are quick to dismiss it, but hardly if ever do they write about their own masturbation habits.

Anyway, I see a definite connection in my case. I've been addicted to pornography since the age of 12 or 13 and I'm almost 29 now. I've started doing it more (1/day on average and sometimes 4 or more /day - what you would call binging) since 19. That's when my hairline started to recede and got a diffuse thinning. I usually do it out of stress, it's not even that pleasurable. And i've also become desensitized to actual sex with gf. I've been trying to quit even since I discovered nofap 4-5 years ago but it's a very hard habit to lose. The most I managed was 50 days, but that was cheating because I was still watching p**rn, fantasizing, edging, just that I didn't technically ejaculate. The hardest part is the mental fantasizing because you have access to it instantly.

Since nofap I've had streaks and the streaks always end up in a binge: 3/4/5 times per day for several days, then back on it for 1-2 weeks or so. The very bad stuff happens if I drag the binge for too long per day: 1 to 3 hours combined of arousal (being hard and browsing/edging).

When I binge like that, the scalp gets extremely greasy, flaky and itchy. Hair is falling like crazy. It's like clockwork: 12 hours after to 36 hours after.

When I have good streaks, it almost stops falling altogether. It is stronger and fuller. I've even seen regrowth.

I assume it's a combination of physical processes of arousal and the stress that leads me to do it. So basically when I give in to the stress. It's not just about masturbation other stresors or factors (such as animal fats or dairy in my case) trigger the itching, greasiness, flakiness and hair loss, but it's most obvious and drastic on masturbation.

On nofap there are so many accounts that's it so hard to ignore this. Just search "hair loss", "bald", "balding", "baldness", "male pattern baldness".

I sympathize, you can see nofap referenced in my signature and in my thread here:
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interac...-an-attempt-resolve-sexual-dysfunction-issues

Regardless, I like other forum users am skeptical of all lifestyle-based cures for male pattern baldness because we have all been lied to many times by snake oil salesmen. You can cure male pattern baldness by eating more avocados, eating more fish, not wearing hats, massaging your scalp, taking cold showers, taking saw palmetto supplements, getting more time in the sun, and now not masturbating. It's a coping mechanism.

If I get better hair from this I'll be content, but I'm not expecting it. At this time there is no mechanism that can explain this, just some random personal anecdotes.

 

[Rumbo4]

When i stopped masturbating as much, i still do 1-3 times a week, my hairline stopped being itchy. What i also noticed was that before it was incredibly flaky. That has all but dissapeared. Along with the hair line recession, and some of it growing back in the temples and hairline as shown in the picture, it has all been a success to me.

 

[Baldingat188]

Wow this sucks lol. I usually do it 1-2 times a day . Maybe I should take a break

that being said I've also read men who don't ejcualate as much have a higher risk of prostate cancer

conclusion? I think it's not significant enough to worry About

 

[bluered999]

I'm sure it speeds up hairloss very rapidly. Think how often animals have sex, only a few times a year during mating season. The people saying it doesn't have any effect on hairloss are in denial ( they don't want it to be true). There is a reason boxers abstain before fights, increases your energy and body's abilities.

 

[DHT_Blocker]

This topic is mind-numbingly stupid and inaccurate. Not sure why it hasn't been removed, the OP is clearing trolling.

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I have a really itchy and flaky scalp, every time I scratch my scalp, a lot of white stuff deposits into my nails. Moreover, my head is very smelly.

Take a shower once and awhile? Lol...

 

[Norwood One]

Why will I lose hair despite stopping jerking off? Give me some facts

These threads get created every few months at these forums. The answer is always inconclusive. None of them stop jerking off and get their entire head of hair back. Even if it was true, the benefit would be marginal at best.

But at what cost? Not having sex for 3 years? Sounds like voluntary castration to me. if that's the case, just take finasteride at high doses. If you're one of the unlucky people to get sides, you wont have to worry about sex at all.

 

[The-Johnny]

Wow I have never thought of the possible correleation before. I'm 28 years old and I jack of approximately 5-6 times a day. When I was between 15-25 years lod, I jacked off approximately 7-8 times a day. I can easily get aroused directly after cumming and jack of again. I can masturbate up to 15 times a day with ease and I've done it plenty of times. My sexual need is EXTREMLY high. I now that the majority dont come close to those numbers, but i would be surprised if some testosterone and DHT levels are not affected by the masturbation. Wish it was easy to stop and see if hair gets better.

 

[sachalamp]

This topic is mind-numbingly stupid and inaccurate. Not sure why it hasn't been removed, the OP is clearing trolling.

These threads get created every few months at these forums. The answer is always inconclusive. None of them stop jerking off and get their entire head of hair back. Even if it was true, the benefit would be marginal at best.

But at what cost? Not having sex for 3 years? Sounds like voluntary castration to me. if that's the case, just take finasteride at high doses. If you're one of the unlucky people to get sides, you wont have to worry about sex at all.

None of you (and others before you) mentioned your own masturbation habits.

Also, it's not helping the discussion to exaggerate the actions required. Nobody is saying to stop sex altogether for 3 years. The problem is excessive masturbation and fantasizing that goes on top of sex (that can be excessive also). A study mentioned that 2-3 sex sessions/ week is optimal, that's ~10/month. When you're dealing with sexual addiction and a masturbation habit, you're looking at 1-2/per day on top of sex, that's 30 to 60 + 10 from intercourse, that's 4 to 7 times more than normal. Or you're looking at binging, which is probably worse (4+ times/day).

Not to mention that in many cases arousal from masturbation is much more different and potent than sex with a partner: you're exposed to dozens of new females, which ups the arousal significantly and you usually edge, which means that you're into an aroused state for much longer than in intercourse. Masturbation sessions can be dragged to hours, while sex usually lasts 5-20 minutes.

If you combine the three, # of masturbation sessions AND time spent in arousal AND potent arousal due to exposure to other females, it adds a metric ****ton to your overall score. And that's just over one month. Now imagine the discrepancy for years.

Don't you find it at least a bit odd that the only medication that kind of works (disregarding the nasty sides) also lowers sexual drive? And that it was used initially to treat prostate problems?

Probably the best approach is reduced intercourse (1/week or something) for a couple of months (2-3) or no intercourse at all over that period, then slowly adding up to normal, while completely renouncing masturbation.

 

[Norwood One]

Alright buddy, seeing as how I've never tried it. I'll do it. Doesn't mean i'm going to stop the hair loss medications. so any results could be attributed to either...but I'll try it once.

From now on I am reducing to 2x per week. Holy fuk this will be hard (pun intended). Apologies to my GF in advance.
Lets see what happens.

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Wow I have never thought of the possible correleation before. I'm 28 years old and I jack of approximately 5-6 times a day. When I was between 15-25 years lod, I jacked off approximately 7-8 times a day. I can easily get aroused directly after cumming and jack of again. I can masturbate up to 15 times a day with ease and I've done it plenty of times. My sexual need is EXTREMLY high. I now that the majority dont come close to those numbers, but i would be surprised if some testosterone and DHT levels are not affected by the masturbation. Wish it was easy to stop and see if hair gets better.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. But like I've said, it seems the hypersexuality and horniness is the side effect of higher T and resultant DHT, not the other way around. Either way, experiment starts today....this forum is turning into nofap reddit lolz.

 

[BaldingTeen]

I don't see why people can't get hold of a simple fact. Yes, orgasms will lead to higher T, and thus higher DHT. From what I've read, DHT is an androgen that leads to inflammations in the sebaceous glands. These inflammations prevent blood vessels from giving nutrients to hair strands and follicles. This leads to thinning and eventually, disappearing of hair. Why disappearing? Because over time, these hair follicles actually close up. And this usually leads to male pattern baldness.

This is what I've been able to sum up from the months of reading I've done.

 

[sachalamp]

Fred, would you share your own masturbation habits?