male pattern baldness treatment should be much easier shouldn't it?

[Hoppi]

When you think about it I mean, all we really need is a really strong, ideally non-systemic topical AR blocker (or degrader or inactivator) and in theory we are done.

I think the closest we have gotten so far is RU58841 and Eucapil, but if a company just found a way to make a topical as powerful or more so than RU, stable at room temperature and non-systemic, then packaged it and sold it, wouldn't that be fantastic? It surely can't be THAT hard with sufficient funding!

Just wanted to discuss this! And I know we have finasteride too but I think it would be great to have something with pretty much zero risk of sides (as is more possible with a topical). We can dream eh? (and until then use RU from labs hehe )

Hoppi!

 

[Hoppi]

What about us guys that already have significant hairlosss and need to regrow?

Well, you could always just use some kind of stimulant combo to pull your hair back up to where you'd like it and then jump on the antiandrogen! It's just a shame that the more mainstream ones like spironolactone are relatively mild compared to the kind of strength required to stop male pattern baldness completely (RU-like strength)

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

Unless there is some factor in hairloss that we are not yet aware of, the only real solution will be hair multiplication or a stem cell treatment that "revives" all of your hair.

Both of these are possible but the technique to make them A) more effective and B) affordable is not yet here.

All I can say is the outlook for baldness is much better now than it was 15 years ago. However, that doesn't help anyone that's currently losing rapidly :-/

 

[BrightonBaldy]

When you think about it I mean, all we really need is a really strong, ideally non-systemic topical AR blocker (or degrader or inactivator) and in theory we are done.

Agree 100%, this should be EASY.

Not just possible, not even expensive.. I genuinely think this should be easy.

 

[KeepTheHair]

Biggest problem in my hairloss was, starting 2 years to late...

I would have still had amazing hair if I started using propecia 2 years ago.



No one ever told me about this stuff and the internet is completely flooded with garbage so I only did massive research when I was at a very bad stage, now back a bit though...but really...things should have happened much earlier.

 

[GeminiX]

Biggest problem in my hairloss was, starting 2 years to late...

I would have still had amazing hair if I started using propecia 2 years ago.

No one ever told me about this stuff and the internet is completely flooded with garbage so I only did massive research when I was at a very bad stage, now back a bit though...but really...things should have happened much earlier.

I share your pain; I lost years of my life I can never get back because I was convinced by some (expensive) quacks who sold me bunch of herbal "treatments". It was of a significant part of a downward spiral which nearly resulted in me ending my own life.

Sadly, these so snake-oil vendors are allowed to pretty much say and sell anything they want, confusing people into thinking "100% natural" means something and that actual medicine is in some way bad.

Needless to say, I have no love whatsoever for these vile bottom feeders.

 

[elliotramsey]

It's not easy because theres probably some aspect of male pattern baldness that hasn't been discovered

 

[reckless]

Even if there was a cure you can bet your bottom dollar that the hair transplant doctors wouldn't let the secret out. They would probably buy the patent and keep it secret.

 

[bigentries]

Even if there was a cure you can bet your bottom dollar that the hair transplant doctors wouldn't let the secret out. They would probably buy the patent and keep it secret.

Yeah, they would rather stop millions of dollars a year flowing at their hands so they can continue earning thousands of dollars working hard for a full day on some ugly guy's head. :whistle:

If Gillette or eyeglasses companies couldn't stop laser from taking a huge part of their profits offering a permanent solution to shaving and eye problems I don't see how a plastic surgeon can (or would want to) stop another hair loss treatment (that they are probably going to perform) from hitting the market

 

[malo]

Even if there was a cure you can bet your bottom dollar that the hair transplant doctors wouldn't let the secret out. They would probably buy the patent and keep it secret.

Yeah, they would rather stop millions of dollars a year flowing at their hands so they can continue earning thousands of dollars working hard for a full day on some ugly guy's head. :whistle:

If Gillette or eyeglasses companies couldn't stop laser from taking a huge part of their profits offering a permanent solution to shaving and eye problems I don't see how a plastic surgeon can (or would want to) stop another hair loss treatment (that they are probably going to perform) from hitting the market

I agree any future therapy will be administered by doctors and if you could charge $5000 for a two hour session of Histogen injections why would you waste eight hours doing a 3000 graft transplant.

 

[s.a.f]

male pattern baldness treatment should be much easier!

You're failing to realise that this is NOT a health issue or an illness its a genetic condition.

Can they make treatments for women to inhibit body hair? can they turn black skin white or vice versa? Its much the same thing.

Us bald guys are this way because our body is programmed to do this much the same way as we are determined to have hair on our bodies (or not) as the individual case may be.

We are a long way off a fullproof cure.

 

[s.a.f]

Even if there was a cure you can bet your bottom dollar that the hair transplant doctors wouldn't let the secret out. They would probably buy the patent and keep it secret.

Oh yeah I can just see the hair transplant legion of doom in their underground bunker plotting against the multibillion dollar cosmetics companies. :whistle:

Did the dentists of the world all unite to buy the patent on toothpaste?

 

[Hoppi]

male pattern baldness treatment should be much easier!

You're failing to realise that this is NOT a health issue or an illness its a genetic condition.

Can they make treatments for women to inhibit body hair? can they turn black skin white or vice versa? Its much the same thing.

Us bald guys are this way because our body is programmed to do this much the same way as we are determined to have hair on our bodies (or not) as the individual case may be.

We are a long way off a fullproof cure.

no no what I'm saying is is because we pretty much understand the rough mechanics of the condition (androgens hit follicular androgen receptors, follicle dies), and we understand that strong topicals which act upon those ARs to block or weaken them stop hair loss or reduce it, what would be fantastic is a commercial, readily-available topical AR blocker with more clout than spironolactone and Eucapil and easier to obtain and absorb than RU. It seems like a logical gap in the market to fill while we are waiting for future treatments.

Then bung some fancy commercial name on it and stick it next to Rogaine in the pharmacy... lol

Stem cell of course is good, but it's to do with growing entirely new hair, not protecting the follicles we already have (which for some is preferable).

I dunno, just a thought One day I'm sure this fantasy topical will come out lol

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

The best hope that I see is a stem cell "rejuvenation". We still don't know for sure if the follicles are TOTALLY "dead" or just not producing hair (or so tiny it doesn't come through the skin).

By this I mean some sort of treatment that will essentially be like a one time super-minoxidil that will cause hair to regrow and maybe it will last another 15 or 20 years before it succumbs to DHT again.

 

[malo]

Isn't that what Histogen is suppose to be?

 

[BrightonBaldy]

Its been almost a year since I've bothered with treatments as I found the whole thing very frustrating.

90% of the websites are scams and the legit players are too stupid to realise an all in one topical would be a multi billion quid product.

As an example, back when I was using minoxidil, I'd read everywhere that people get great results when combined with copper peptides. If that were true then wheres the combined topical? Wheres the site with the correct dosage levels? And if the two treatments cant be combined, why isnt there a legit site that sells the products side by side even lol

The whole thing is a farse.

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

Its been almost a year since I've bothered with treatments as I found the whole thing very frustrating.

90% of the websites are scams and the legit players are too stupid to realise an all in one topical would be a multi billion quid product.

As an example, back when I was using minoxidil, I'd read everywhere that people get great results when combined with copper peptides. If that were true then wheres the combined topical? Wheres the site with the correct dosage levels? And if the two treatments cant be combined, why isnt there a legit site that sells the products side by side even lol

The whole thing is a farse.

Whatever. Finasteride is working on some degree for me and lots of people here have success with minoxidil.

 

[Bryan]

As an example, back when I was using minoxidil, I'd read everywhere that people get great results when combined with copper peptides. If that were true then wheres the combined topical?

Proxiphen is a good example of such a "combined topical", but it's pretty expensive.

The whole thing is a farse.

Your spelling ability is a "farse"!

 

[kthxbi]

I think the closest we have gotten so far is RU58841 and Eucapil,

you lost me at that point i'm afraid. there's a pretty obvious reason why everyone on these forums knows about finasteride and minoxidil and yet RU58841 and eucapil are pretty damn hard to find any decent information on.
why do you keep doing this?

 

[Petchsky]

Yes Hoppi, why are you doing this to us? WHY? WHYYYY?........

male pattern baldness is hard to treat, and if finasteride doesn't work out for you, it's even harder, but not impossible.