Less Density And Custom Lace Base Color

[CyberRunner]

Hi. I'm 26 years old, been shedding my hair for past 6 years. I have decided to go with the system after checking all other options. Lately been going through the forum for past couple of days to get knowledge on the system. It was very informative and thanks for being helpful to others.

Am looking for your comments for the below points, really appreciate your help.

I'm opting to go from less dense system to high dense, creating impression that am growing the hair. I am looking for less density system which needs to expose my scalp between hair (mainly at the crown) and around the region, and should be natural and undetected. With most of the system I came across, I notice they bring real hairline but not caring around the crown, stuffing with high density, which will make it unreal initially for me. To be frank, my colleagues are always in constant watch of other's hair, so I don't want to get their attention.

Came across this YouTube video. Got impressed. I'm expecting the similar kind of system. It mentions the custom Lace base color is matched with the client's scalp color.
May I know, whether online companies like Toplace, etc. gives solution like this?

Thanks

 

[matt0135]

I think if you're looking for the base you will find it. I see it in the video .but to someone other than us wearers, it's completely undetectable . Looks really good .

I'm not sure about the lace colouring I always thought it was clearish white, I want to ask my place about that next time .

Great density for someone his age. My lord I was in the store the other day and thew sales guy was around the age of the gentlemen in the video. His system was way thicker than mine, and I'm 25 lol. Was like a wall of hair.

The density and the "flow" of the system really makes all the difference.

I'd imagine more maintenance for something like this if he wants an exposed hairline always.

 

[CyberRunner]

I think if you're looking for the base you will find it. I see it in the video .but to someone other than us wearers, it's completely undetectable . Looks really good .

I'm not sure about the lace colouring I always thought it was clearish white, I want to ask my place about that next time .

Great density for someone his age. My lord I was in the store the other day and thew sales guy was around the age of the gentlemen in the video. His system was way thicker than mine, and I'm 25 lol. Was like a wall of hair.

The density and the "flow" of the system really makes all the difference.

I'd imagine more maintenance for something like this if he wants an exposed hairline always.

Hi. Thanks for your reply. I'm a newbie here, care to point me the difficulties in maintaining less dense system please.

And also you mentioned about "flow" would like to know does that video had freestyle flow ?

 

[matt0135]

The density itself isn't a problem maintenance wise, but you'll have to replace the piece sooner if you want to keep the same density look. All systems shed but if you're already at a light density you don't want to start looking like you're developing bald patches.

I'd also imagine the hair around the perimeter would thin quicker and your bond would have to be spot on to ensure its looking great at all times .you might just need to take off and re install more frequently .

That must be free style, usually that's what they all are, unless you wanna keep one set style I guess?

But what I meant by flow is the way in which the hair moves through the wind, through your fingers, etc . A lighter density will make all of these little things that much more natural .

 

[Noah]

Hi CyberRunner

You can definitely do what you are suggesting - start with a low density system and gradually raise the density till you get to the density you want. You could also start with a receded hairline (if you currently have one) and gradually lower the hairline and fill out the hairline contours. You will need to use custom systems, so you will need to be well-organised, because they take around 2 months from placing the order to getting the system. With a custom system you can specify the density you want on different areas of the system, so if you want a low density crown, for example, you can specifically order that.

I am normally a fan of lace bases, but if you are going to opt for very low density - say lower than 60% to replicate hair that is thin to balding - then you should think of using a thinskin base. It is very good at mimicking the look of bare scalp. You could even have small completely bald areas.

Specific issues with a very low density system - obviously there is less hair to camouflage any little mistakes, so you need to make sure it is a good fit and well applied, with no gaps and no overlaps. Also, the underpinnings of the system will be more exposed than with a higher density, so you will probably want to use an all-glue attachment (tape shine might be visible, especially in strong overhead light), and keep the base design simple - no tape patches or poly rim which might show; just plain lace or thinskin. Also, you don't want to lose any more hair, or the piece could become unwearable, so it will be a good idea to use knot sealer to prevent shedding.

Lace comes in several different colours, so yes, you can get a tone which disappears best. It doesn't have to be an exact match. The tones include pink/white (for Northern Europeans and their descendants), light tan (for Mediterranean Europeans, Middle Easterners and Chinese), and brown (for South Indians and people of African descent). Thinskin also comes in a similar range.

Any decent system supplier should be able to supply you with these systems, including some of the names already mentioned.

Good luck with the transition!

Noah

 

[deg_dilemma]

Cyber that is a coincidence. I've been watching the first vid too for a few weeks and have just ordered a custom system to try and replicate Farakh's system (that is the guy's name). I went for light brown lace, extra light (graduated) into light density, bleached knots at hairline & crown, freestyle.

I'm new to this so this will be my first custom piece. Currently wearing a wall of hair from TCP which I have butchered to finally be 'acceptable'.

I'm in the UK. Happy to stay in touch if you'd like.

 

[CyberRunner]

Hi CyberRunner

You can definitely do what you are suggesting - start with a low density system and gradually raise the density till you get to the density you want. You could also start with a receded hairline (if you currently have one) and gradually lower the hairline and fill out the hairline contours. You will need to use custom systems, so you will need to be well-organised, because they take around 2 months from placing the order to getting the system. With a custom system you can specify the density you want on different areas of the system, so if you want a low density crown, for example, you can specifically order that.

I am normally a fan of lace bases, but if you are going to opt for very low density - say lower than 60% to replicate hair that is thin to balding - then you should think of using a thinskin base. It is very good at mimicking the look of bare scalp. You could even have small completely bald areas.

Specific issues with a very low density system - obviously there is less hair to camouflage any little mistakes, so you need to make sure it is a good fit and well applied, with no gaps and no overlaps. Also, the underpinnings of the system will be more exposed than with a higher density, so you will probably want to use an all-glue attachment (tape shine might be visible, especially in strong overhead light), and keep the base design simple - no tape patches or poly rim which might show; just plain lace or thinskin. Also, you don't want to lose any more hair, or the piece could become unwearable, so it will be a good idea to use knot sealer to prevent shedding.

Lace comes in several different colours, so yes, you can get a tone which disappears best. It doesn't have to be an exact match. The tones include pink/white (for Northern Europeans and their descendants), light tan (for Mediterranean Europeans, Middle Easterners and Chinese), and brown (for South Indians and people of African descent). Thinskin also comes in a similar range.

Any decent system supplier should be able to supply you with these systems, including some of the names already mentioned.

Good luck with the transition!

Noah

Hi Noah, Thanks for your valuable feedback. I've seen your comments on previous threads, very informative. Much appreciated.

1. I understand your suggestion on thin skin base. Like you said, I also lean to the advantages of lace system for making scalp breathable. Also I have sensitive oily scalp, full glue bonding will be an issue I guess. So I see the trade off here. If this is the case, I got no issues with density at hairline and in the middle but would like to go for density enough to look natural at the crown. Please suggest any trick to bring the solution to my crown.

2. I saw your previous comments that to use scalp protector if glue or tape bonding is not viable. But doesn't making your scalp anti-perspirant wouldn't bring any pores blockage issue in future.

I'm from Dubai. Please suggest me any good supplier.

Thanks

 

[CyberRunner]

Cyber that is a coincidence. I've been watching the first vid too for a few weeks and have just ordered a custom system to try and replicate Farakh's system (that is the guy's name). I went for light brown lace, extra light (graduated) into light density, bleached knots at hairline & crown, freestyle.

I'm new to this so this will be my first custom piece. Currently wearing a wall of hair from TCP which I have butchered to finally be 'acceptable'.

I'm in the UK. Happy to stay in touch if you'd like.

Hi deg_dilemma, sure it is. Glad to hear that. Please share your experience with the system and give your feedback mate. Stay in touch.

 

[Heinrich Harrer]

Anyone has news or knowledge about base thicknesses? Anybody knows if science has finally figured out a way for a base that isn’t thick enough for a woman to run her fingers through it and have the shock of her life?

 

[Noah]

I would say yes. The Swiss lace bases and the thinnest thinskin bases now are very fine. If they are competently glued down it would be quite hard for a woman to detect them. I have certainly had relationships with women over several months, including all the usual situations and physical stuff, and she has not been made aware of my hair situation. I think a lot of wearers have had the same experience.

Did you previously wear a system? What kind was it, and what made you give up?

 

[Heinrich Harrer]

I would say yes. The Swiss lace bases and the thinnest thinskin bases now are very fine. If they are competently glued down it would be quite hard for a woman to detect them. I have certainly had relationships with women over several months, including all the usual situations and physical stuff, and she has not been made aware of my hair situation. I think a lot of wearers have had the same experience.

Did you previously wear a system? What kind was it, and what made you give up?

Yeah it was years ago then I think 3 years back too for couple months. First one was the thick base, thick hair, low hairline, if you ran your fingers from forehead to hairline it was game over. Second one was the thinnest lace the clinic had, still detectable and had issues with the glue because my scalp is oily. Mind that I was doing this in a hair loss clinic that also cleaned my head every 4 weeks, did scalp sauna, repainted the hair piece, cleaned it and so on. I can’t imagine what a pain diy must be. The best I’ve seen is the video that was posted here with the transparent base and bleached knots. But I still think it’s impossivle not to feel it if you run your fingers from forehead to hairline. Or from sides. You feel a slight bump, I mean the base would have to be insanely thin and fragile not to. Also the hair is synthetic everywhere even if they claim it’s your color, thickness and direction in the scalp. And synthetic hair as well as dyed hair smell. It’s a dead giveaway for women even if they are polite enough not to bring it up.

 

[matt0135]

Yeah it was years ago then I think 3 years back too for couple months. First one was the thick base, thick hair, low hairline, if you ran your fingers from forehead to hairline it was game over. Second one was the thinnest lace the clinic had, still detectable and had issues with the glue because my scalp is oily. Mind that I was doing this in a hair loss clinic that also cleaned my head every 4 weeks, did scalp sauna, repainted the hair piece, cleaned it and so on. I can’t imagine what a pain diy must be. The best I’ve seen is the video that was posted here with the transparent base and bleached knots. But I still think it’s impossivle not to feel it if you run your fingers from forehead to hairline. Or from sides. You feel a slight bump, I mean the base would have to be insanely thin and fragile not to. Also the hair is synthetic everywhere even if they claim it’s your color, thickness and direction in the scalp. And synthetic hair as well as dyed hair smell. It’s a dead giveaway for women even if they are polite enough not to bring it up.

I think Noah would agree and anyone else that wears . Most salons don't have your best interest at heart and certainly do not have quality pieces .some do, some don't .

When my hairline is perfect, I don't feel any real difference when doing the fingers through test.

I just tell partners I don't like my hair touched, which they'll still touch anyways (hey in the heat of things it happens) but no issues thus far, hopefully not jinxing it lol.

As for the smell of the hair, that's simply not true. I have real human hair, sure it's been processed, but I don't have any smell you're speaking about .if anything it smells like my leave in conditioner.

 

[Noah]

Yeah it was years ago then I think 3 years back too for couple months. First one was the thick base, thick hair, low hairline, if you ran your fingers from forehead to hairline it was game over. Second one was the thinnest lace the clinic had, still detectable and had issues with the glue because my scalp is oily. Mind that I was doing this in a hair loss clinic that also cleaned my head every 4 weeks, did scalp sauna, repainted the hair piece, cleaned it and so on. I can’t imagine what a pain diy must be. The best I’ve seen is the video that was posted here with the transparent base and bleached knots. But I still think it’s impossivle not to feel it if you run your fingers from forehead to hairline. Or from sides. You feel a slight bump, I mean the base would have to be insanely thin and fragile not to. Also the hair is synthetic everywhere even if they claim it’s your color, thickness and direction in the scalp. And synthetic hair as well as dyed hair smell. It’s a dead giveaway for women even if they are polite enough not to bring it up.

As Matt says, you can't judge all hair systems by the kind you get at a Hair Club-type salon, which is what you went to. In order to withstand being superglued on your head with cyanoacrylic glue and kept without maintenance for a month at a time, the hairpieces they use at those places have to be rugged (no pun intended). They are the very opposite of the ultra-delicate lightweight low-density systems which give you the best-looking and most undetectable result, and which most of the guys on this forum are wearing. It sounds like yours had really low quality hair too (which is not always the case). The hair on my systems is actually nicer quality than my natural hair, and it certainly doesn't smell (yuk!). Those places are all about keeping their customers dependent on them so that they are forced to come back month-in month-out like obedient milchkuhs. If you want to wear hair, in the medium term you have to take responsibility for your own prosthetic - buying it and maintaining it.

If that is you on your avatar, you look good bald. But since you are on here, maybe you miss having hair. If so, you should be aware that there is a better way than what you experienced of hair systems. (Don't know about the hair replacement options in Tibet though ).

 

[Heinrich Harrer]

I’d like to see it. The hair piece, glue type, prices etc. shoot me a pm mate, cheers.