Jayman what about the women in ur family? How is their hair? and surpsisingly we have a lot of the same answers... I think my guess is you technically always are a Nw5/6...but some are denser some are not as dense...for instance...I would say Zidane might be an extreme case of diffuse...all hairline but no crown...I saw another guy like that too once @ the casino...He jus had random hairs popping out here and there on his head...but had only a hairline..weak one @ that but it was fairly strong for a man with a whole chrome dome. So what I am saying is...if my hair stayed the way it was for life...if applied to the Norwood scale..it would be as if I was Nw2/3 (i.e. my diffuse number of hairs lost= how much someone had lost from their hairline have receding that much therefore IMO its relative) Jayman...if it works the same way...why does it follow a totally different mechanism...what determines that pattern? In a receder why are the frontal hairs hit first...do the crown hairs become suspectible later err?