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[Guest]

[quote="JayMan":2eb82]people trash docs on here but most docs give out free samples like candy. i know plenty of times where ones ive known have given out 20 or 30 to people who cant afford the med prices and where there are no generics available.

If a doctor is going to give out drugs for free, then he or she must maintain that same sense of ethical and moral idealism throughout their medical career. Taking a trip to Hawaii that is paid for by a drug company simply oozes hypocrisy.

A doctor can't establish a particular moral barometer and then merely stuff it in a drawer whenever the chance to take his or her family to Florida surfaces. That's bullcrap.

If the doctor takes the free trip but doesn't let it influence how he treats his patients, I see nothing wrong with that. Where do you draw the line anyway? Is it wrong to use pens with drug company logos? How about post-its? Calculators? Is it wrong to take your kids to a baseball game with free tickes from Pfizer?

Everything that a drug company gives a doctor should be used for the good of the patients and never for the good of the doctor. Free drug samples, pens, calculators, and post-its can all be used to help patients. However, tickets to a baseball game is pretty much violates medical ethics.

Gotcha. So what specialty do you want to go into anyway?

JayMan,

I have nothing against your dad (I think you said he was a doctor) or the way he runs his practice. Everything I've been saying is my personal opinion and convictions. So, I hope that I haven't offended you.

As for my speciality, I'm going into Internal Medicine. My sub-speciality is probably going to be oncology or asthma and allergy. I haven't decided yet. There are too many variables and if I decide to have a family within the next few years, I'll probably settle with just internal medicine, so that I can actually spend time with the woman I plan to marry and my (hopefully) kids.[/quote:2eb82]

No you haven't offended me. My dad used to be an anesthesiologist but the chemicals made him sick and destroyed his liver, so he had to go back 10 years after finishing his anesthesiology resiedency and do a couple more years as an IM resident to get board certified in IM as well. He still gets offers from surgeons and stuff to do anesthesiology for them and they've promised that they can make it safe but he's not interested in risking his health. So he's double board certified but it doesn't really do him any good.

Oh he doesn't have a sub specialty either. He had a family of 6 to take care of and he didn't think he could justify doing another 2-3 years to do a cardio subspecialty for example, even though he might have enjoyed it more or made a bit more money. He makes quite decent money though for an internist. he is a hospitalist now. He works an average of 40 hours a week. He's never on call or an ything and he likes it. So it's not that he has a practice. He can prescribe drugs though and while he doesn't have much drug company contact anymore, he used to be an anesthesiologist and when he was in residency he had drug company contact all the time.

I'll tell you one thing though: he definitely misses being an anesthesiologist. it was his love and it's what he knew he wanted to do for a long time before graduating medical school. he does like internal medicine but it's just not the same I guess.

Any questions you have let me know.

 

[docj077]

[quote="docj077":bbb70][quote="JayMan":bbb70]people trash docs on here but most docs give out free samples like candy. i know plenty of times where ones ive known have given out 20 or 30 to people who cant afford the med prices and where there are no generics available.

If a doctor is going to give out drugs for free, then he or she must maintain that same sense of ethical and moral idealism throughout their medical career. Taking a trip to Hawaii that is paid for by a drug company simply oozes hypocrisy.

A doctor can't establish a particular moral barometer and then merely stuff it in a drawer whenever the chance to take his or her family to Florida surfaces. That's bullcrap.

If the doctor takes the free trip but doesn't let it influence how he treats his patients, I see nothing wrong with that. Where do you draw the line anyway? Is it wrong to use pens with drug company logos? How about post-its? Calculators? Is it wrong to take your kids to a baseball game with free tickes from Pfizer?

Everything that a drug company gives a doctor should be used for the good of the patients and never for the good of the doctor. Free drug samples, pens, calculators, and post-its can all be used to help patients. However, tickets to a baseball game is pretty much violates medical ethics.

Gotcha. So what specialty do you want to go into anyway?

JayMan,

I have nothing against your dad (I think you said he was a doctor) or the way he runs his practice. Everything I've been saying is my personal opinion and convictions. So, I hope that I haven't offended you.

As for my speciality, I'm going into Internal Medicine. My sub-speciality is probably going to be oncology or asthma and allergy. I haven't decided yet. There are too many variables and if I decide to have a family within the next few years, I'll probably settle with just internal medicine, so that I can actually spend time with the woman I plan to marry and my (hopefully) kids.[/quote:bbb70]

No you haven't offended me. My dad used to be an anesthesiologist but the chemicals made him sick and destroyed his liver, so he had to go back 10 years after finishing his anesthesiology resiedency and do a couple more years as an IM resident to get board certified in IM as well. He still gets offers from surgeons and stuff to do anesthesiology for them and they've promised that they can make it safe but he's not interested in risking his health. So he's double board certified but it doesn't really do him any good.

Oh he doesn't have a sub specialty either. He had a family of 6 to take care of and he didn't think he could justify doing another 2-3 years to do a cardio subspecialty for example, even though he might have enjoyed it more or made a bit more money. He makes quite decent money though for an internist. he is a hospitalist now. He works an average of 40 hours a week. He's never on call or an ything and he likes it. So it's not that he has a practice. He can prescribe drugs though and while he doesn't have much drug company contact anymore, he used to be an anesthesiologist and when he was in residency he had drug company contact all the time.

I'll tell you one thing though: he definitely misses being an anesthesiologist. it was his love and it's what he knew he wanted to do for a long time before graduating medical school. he does like internal medicine but it's just not the same I guess.

Any questions you have let me know.[/quote:bbb70]

Yeah, I've really looked at becoming a Hospitalist. That is a sweet job, my friend. I haven't figured out if I have the brain power for it, however.

Also, sorry to hear that about your dad. He worked really hard, but he sacrificed something important to stick around. That has to mean a lot to your family.

 

[Guest]

Yeah it does mean a lot. Why do you think being a hospitalist requires more brain power than being in an IM practice or something like that? Is it the fact that you see a wider variety of stuff in a hospital setting and it's less predictable?

 

[docj077]

Yeah it does mean a lot. Why do you think being a hospitalist requires more brain power than being in an IM practice or something like that? Is it the fact that you see a wider variety of stuff in a hospital setting and it's less predictable?

From what I've seen, the hospitalist is typically regarded as the person that knows everything. If you need an answer and there isn't a specialist in that department around, then you basically call a hospitalist. They're known for being very reliable and able to care for patients with diverse pathologies.

 

[Guest]

Yeah it does mean a lot. Why do you think being a hospitalist requires more brain power than being in an IM practice or something like that? Is it the fact that you see a wider variety of stuff in a hospital setting and it's less predictable?

From what I've seen, the hospitalist is typically regarded as the person that knows everything. If you need an answer and there isn't a specialist in that department around, then you basically call a hospitalist. They're known for being very reliable and able to care for patients with diverse pathologies.

Like Dr House except less glamorous? He's a nephrologist and infectious disease specialist although his expertise extends to seemingly all specialties. That is just a TV show, though.

 

[docj077]

Yeah it does mean a lot. Why do you think being a hospitalist requires more brain power than being in an IM practice or something like that? Is it the fact that you see a wider variety of stuff in a hospital setting and it's less predictable?

From what I've seen, the hospitalist is typically regarded as the person that knows everything. If you need an answer and there isn't a specialist in that department around, then you basically call a hospitalist. They're known for being very reliable and able to care for patients with diverse pathologies.

Like Dr House except less glamorous? He's a nephrologist and infectious disease specialist although his expertise extends to seemingly all specialties. That is just a TV show, though.

It's still a fun show to watch. Especially, with the diphyllobothrium latum fish tapeworm that was 25 feet long and causing a b12 deficiency in this weeks show. I hope I didn't ruin the episode for you, but that was pretty sweet.

 

[SkylineGTR]

Doctor's get nice perks for pushing medications.

My g/f's dad is a phyciatrist and he gets tons of sh*t for doing lectures and stuff. Drug companies have their own PR reps that go around giving stuff away.

I work as a sleep tech and our company gets free lunches and sh*t from ambien and the DME CPAP companies.

 

[Guest]

Yeah it does mean a lot. Why do you think being a hospitalist requires more brain power than being in an IM practice or something like that? Is it the fact that you see a wider variety of stuff in a hospital setting and it's less predictable?

From what I've seen, the hospitalist is typically regarded as the person that knows everything. If you need an answer and there isn't a specialist in that department around, then you basically call a hospitalist. They're known for being very reliable and able to care for patients with diverse pathologies.

Like Dr House except less glamorous? He's a nephrologist and infectious disease specialist although his expertise extends to seemingly all specialties. That is just a TV show, though.

It's still a fun show to watch. Especially, with the diphyllobothrium latum fish tapeworm that was 25 feet long and causing a b12 deficiency in this weeks show. I hope I didn't ruin the episode for you, but that was pretty sweet.

not at all i watch every one. i saw it on tuesday and it was fantastic haha. would he had to have done an Infec disease residency AND a nephrology residency to be a specialist in both? i think infec disease residency is a year right? and nephrology is 4, maybe?

 

[SkylineGTR]

i love house... and scrubs lol.

 

[docj077]

Yeah it does mean a lot. Why do you think being a hospitalist requires more brain power than being in an IM practice or something like that? Is it the fact that you see a wider variety of stuff in a hospital setting and it's less predictable?

From what I've seen, the hospitalist is typically regarded as the person that knows everything. If you need an answer and there isn't a specialist in that department around, then you basically call a hospitalist. They're known for being very reliable and able to care for patients with diverse pathologies.

Like Dr House except less glamorous? He's a nephrologist and infectious disease specialist although his expertise extends to seemingly all specialties. That is just a TV show, though.

It's still a fun show to watch. Especially, with the diphyllobothrium latum fish tapeworm that was 25 feet long and causing a b12 deficiency in this weeks show. I hope I didn't ruin the episode for you, but that was pretty sweet.

not at all i watch every one. i saw it on tuesday and it was fantastic haha. would he had to have done an Infec disease residency AND a nephrology residency to be a specialist in both? i think infec disease residency is a year right? and nephrology is 4, maybe?

Nephrology is one of the longer residencies next to surgery as you think you have to do a year of general surgery during that residency program, as well. It's pretty competitive too from what I've heard. For some reason I'm thinking that before you can do infectious disease you have to go through internal medicine residency first, but I'm not really sure. I don't know why you'd do both, because you'd obviously be trained to treat any infectious disease of the urinary tract. I guess that House just has "skillz."

We had a Nephrologist come and speak to us this summer. The dude was hilarious and I have never heard so many penis jokes in my entire life.